Is there a DAW where time signature/tempo changes just work?

dea-man · 12-31-2014, 09:50 AM

Does anyone have experience with another DAW (besides Reaper) where these changes work as expected, without bugs? A DAW where tempo/time sig changes are elegantly implemented?

Studio One 2, perhaps?

I am interested in a different DAW.

lachrimae · 12-31-2014, 09:54 AM

Just remember that there are always trade-offs. How many times have I started using another DAW because of feature X, only to learn that Y and Z are missing (usually after several weeks of time investment).

dea-man · 12-31-2014, 09:59 AM

Is there anything out there where the time sig/tempo just works?

What DAW's out there are similar to Reaper, by and large.

whiteaxxxe · 12-31-2014, 10:10 AM

could you explain exactly what do you think "doesnt work"? as far as I know it works in Reaper - at least so far I would it expect to work.

have you thought about the possibility of a user-error or that you want something, that maybe doesnt make that much sense and now you blame Reaper?

as far as I know these things work in all DAWs as expected. as expected by most of the users.

Fergler · 12-31-2014, 10:16 AM

Logic 9/X

EpicSounds · 12-31-2014, 10:23 AM

I feel like REAPER's work as expected and are pretty easy to work with overall.

dea-man · 12-31-2014, 10:27 AM

If Reaper is working for you, please continue to make music and enjoy yourself.

The fact that Reaper has some bugs concerning time sig/tempo changes is attested to by the myriad threads on the subject.

I am not in front of Reaper right now or I'd upload an example, but there are plenty of available examples already here. Search.

If there is anyone who can actually answer my questions, I would appreciate that.

Jae.Thomas · 12-31-2014, 10:34 AM

well, in order to ascertain what DAW would work, there does need to be some kind of idea of what is actually going wrong. Time Signatures "work" great for ME, but maybe they don't for someone else with their workflow. Maybe one day it WILL affect me.

EpicSounds · 12-31-2014, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dea-man

If Reaper is working for you, please continue to make music and enjoy yourself.

The fact that Reaper has some bugs concerning time sig/tempo changes is attested to by the myriad threads on the subject.

I am not in front of Reaper right now or I'd upload an example, but there are plenty of available examples already here. Search.

If there is anyone who can actually answer my questions, I would appreciate that.

If you could make a list of those threads with the bugs it would help everyone. I could search and I can test on my own but I don't know what I'm looking for.

Lawrence · 12-31-2014, 01:04 PM

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...light=time+sig

Caveat: I don't produce music with lots of time sig changes so none of that has ever showed up for me. I have seen a good collection of people complaining about it though.

Fergler · 12-31-2014, 01:06 PM

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5448
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5423
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=798
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4788

+ audio rate is set in stone and doesn't adjust to tempo, i.e. if you have an item that starts rate 1.0 in 120bpm and then move it half way across the tempo change line it's rate gets set to a number in between the two tempos, making all audio within the new tempo off-beat. There is no usefulness to this in temporally snapped music (which you are obviously making 99.9% of the time if you are using tempo changes).

The way around this is to automate the master playrate slider for the tempo transitions but this screws over MIDI so much, AND you have to reset it to 0 right at the tempo change line so that audio recorded at the new tempo is played properly.

Lawrence · 12-31-2014, 01:10 PM

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audio rate is set in stone and doesn't adjust to tempo

Well, that may be more a minor flaw in Reaper's "elastic audio", that only by using stretch markers can an audio clip adjust partially. Like putting a tempo change directly over where an audio clip is, the clip can't conform to that. Midi will, but audio won't, so it will go out of time. Reaper can't stretch audio partially like that by itself and just conform, you have to use stretch markers.

Like here in S1, the audio underneath this tempo changes conform / stretches only from where the tempo changes, leaving the audio before the point alone. Everything stays in sync.

donchilcott · 12-31-2014, 07:00 PM

Yes Studio one 2 works great. There's a demo you can download for free. Fantastic workflow

Mink99 · 12-31-2014, 07:17 PM

Tempo changes and correct adaption of loops should work in ableton (in linear mode)

pepe44 · 12-31-2014, 07:40 PM

I dont see any problem in the tempo/ time signature. Been using and all OK.