Old 12-17-2011, 07:16 AM   #721
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Never had any stability issues with the extension, as it is a continuously developing extension it's safe to assume each release is stable.., sure there might be a bug here or there but shouldn't be any stability issues. So I would just go ahead and install the latest release found here. http://code.google.com/p/sws-extension/downloads/list
Yes thank you, I was just wondering because SWS main site still lists 2.1.0#1 dated as of August... the extension has gone very far since then.

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Mabian, yes, once the bugs have been worked out of the Resources window we'll release a 2.2. We need some documentation too, but us programmers sometimes (always?) procrastinate writing it!
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Just started getting acquainted with the resources window recently. What a cool thing that is.
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:51 PM   #724
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I've been using reaper for a year, it's the best! Only some details were missing, for example some macros for faster detailed multichannel drum editing. And I found it all in SWS. Thank you people, you are so supportive and inspiring! Reaper has become a powerful, fully modular tool!

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Yes, an official v2.2 would be welsome! Personnaly, I would appreciate some help to clarify some things before though:

1) Cycle Action editor - OSX USERS: HELP PLEASE!
Although several users wanted OSX support for the Cycle Action Editor, I still have no feedback about the beta version I made (and I have no mean to test it myself).
To activate the OSX beta and/or to report any related issue see http://code.google.com/p/sws-extensi.../detail?id=416
Please, post something even if everything is OK ATM, I have no idea if it works or not (in doubt, I will switch back to the old/stable code).

For a quick test, I've attached a cycle action here: import the attached file in the editor, apply. This should add an action "show/hide take vol/pan envelopes" (which cycles take envelopes between vol & pan for selected items). Please, try to perform this action too. Is it ok? A basic test "manual creation of a cycle action" from scratch would be much appreciated too (I mean, creation & perform). In an ideal world, a kind user would also post an OSX screenshot of the editor.

2) Region/marker subtitles

2a) I know this is unusual for us to remove things but for some obscur reasons and since we now have subtitle support, I would like to remove Marker/Region names, I mean:



Reminder - it was the 1st step towards "subtitles" :

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.. but it has but limited interest now (subtitles have multiple lines of text, contrary to marker names).
I know this feature is used a bit => if you disagree with this removal, please say something!

2b) OSX users (again!): I have a serious doubt about something...
..when you switch from, say "Project notes" to "Region/marker subtitles" and then switch back to project notes again: does the GUI resizes itself properly ? (i.e. Do import/export buttons are properly shown/hidden at the bottom of the GUI ?)
Here again a screenshot would be much appreciated (or, even better, a LICEcap of the resizing in action).

3) New actions "SWS/S&M - Show image, slot n" actions:
Do they work on OSX? On OSX again, do they still work after you restart REAPER (withtout tweaking the Resources window in between) ?
If that works, it is a miracle.

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We need some documentation too, but us programmers sometimes (always?) procrastinate writing it!
ha haha!Confirmed!

EDIT - hey Tim! there are upcoming improvements in the Resources view but no bug AFAIK (on Windows OS, at least. Let me know if so!)
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:36 PM   #726
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Y...
For a quick test, I've attached a cycle action here: import the attached file in the editor, apply. This should add an action "show/hide take vol/pan envelopes" (which cycles take envelopes between vol & pan for selected items). Please, try to perform this action too. Is it ok? A basic test "manual creation of a cycle action" from scratch would be much appreciated too (I mean, creation & perform). In an ideal world, a kind user would also post an OSX screenshot of the editor.
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Hi Jeffos. I cannot seem to import the .ini file in actions on OSX PPC. Or, in the cycle actions editor. I'm using the latest Reaper and SWS beta.
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Thanks for helping out Kunda!

Normaly, import/export features are available in the context menu.. Have you activated the beta version of the editor ? In short, to activate it, the link I posted above says you have to exit REAPER and update the folowing line in the section [General] of the S&M.ini file like:
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.. if it is activated: do you mean there is no context menu at all?
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Thanks for helping out Kunda!

Normaly, import/export features are available in the context menu.. Have you activated the beta version of the editor ? In short, to activate it, the link I posted above says you have to exit REAPER and update the folowing line in the section [General] of the S&M.ini file like:
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Beta=7
.. if it is activated: do you mean there is no context menu at all?
I haven't activated it. I'm typing between forkfuls of trout - dinner time. I'll give this a whirl when I finish chewing.
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LOL! no hurry..
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Thanks for helping out Kunda!

Normaly, import/export features are available in the context menu.. Have you activated the beta version of the editor ? In short, to activate it, the link I posted above says you have to exit REAPER and update the folowing line in the section [General] of the S&M.ini file like:
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Beta=7
.. if it is activated: do you mean there is no context menu at all?
You programmers make it sound so easy. I changed to Beta=7 and got the interface (below).

I imported your action but it is not registered. I flailed with the numbers like somebody who doesn't know what they're doing - which I don't - and came up empty handed. Does Groove 3 have a cycle actions tutorial?
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:37 AM   #731
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LOL! no hurry..
(craft cassoulet here)
Yuck! Kraft cassoulet en boite???!!!

Le fastfood francais... c'est meme pire que MacDoh!!
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Mabian, yes, once the bugs have been worked out of the Resources window we'll release a 2.2. We need some documentation too, but us programmers sometimes (always?) procrastinate writing it!
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:03 PM   #733
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Can any of you other fellow Mac users stop running your emotionally charged little fingers all over your latest iPad long enough to test Jeffos's cycle actions script and maybe even spring for a screen shot?

[Drifters and slackers...all of them! Pfff]

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Old 12-21-2011, 02:35 PM   #734
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What is the cycle actions script, where do i get it, and what am i testing?

I will test on 10.6.8 and 10.7.2, just need to know what it is i'm actually doing without reading every page of a 20-page thread or going elsewhere to find out. :P
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:17 PM   #735
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please stop off at post 725 capn'
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:06 PM   #736
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Okay..

Bare in mind i'm new to reaper as of 4-5 weeks ago.

I edited the ini file so Beta=7.

Downloaded the cycle action but what editor is being referred to here? :
"import the attached file in the editor, apply."

I can't find any cycle action editor.
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That's the problem I was running into - no experience with the cycle actions extension, a brain on overload, and a page of WIKI homework to get up to speed. But I'd like to help.


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Okay..
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I can't find any cycle action editor.
Go to the actions window [shift - ?] and use the filter to look for "cycle action editor." If you can't find that then I have no answers.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:16 PM   #738
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Default image and media slots use example: #1 of many

i set up a quick macro with the new image display slots that jeffos has kindly introduced, and the media playback slots too.

thought i'd quickly video it to show it in its glory.

scenario: i hit one of the many faceless buttons on my (PITA) controller, and the project is saved, a sound is played and an image appears (docked) & 1.5 seconds later the image goes away.... coool.

ok so for saving its not that sexy, but open your mind...

quick video:
http://min.us/mbbjBUQpR

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Old 12-21-2011, 06:18 PM   #739
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Downloaded the cycle action but what editor is being referred to here? :
"import the attached file in the editor, apply."

I can't find any cycle action editor.
There's an action 'open cycle action editor'.
At least here on Win, SWS 2.1.0 built #24.

Sorry, that's all I can tell, haven't done anything more with cycle actions also.

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pfff I have been too slow once again.
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Go to the actions window [shift - ?] and use the filter to look for "cycle action editor." If you can't find that then I have no answers.
Ahhh.. more of the famous "intuitive reaper defaults".

Why the hell is an editor window found in an action list instead of under a window menu?
I was looking at the extensions menu that SWS uses figuring SURELY that's where it would be. Even if it's a beta thing, if i enable it, it should appear under the menu, even if under a submenu titled "Beta". Hell, why isn't that the case? Sigh.

Anyway..

1: I get the same error here when trying to use that cycle action import:

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Warning: cycle action '"#show/hide take vol/pan envelopes' (section 'Main') was added but not registered
Details: command id (or custom id) '"' not found
2b: Not sure what you mean. The window never changes size when i swap between marker/region names or project notes or any of the 5 options...?

3: Not sure what this is mean to do either. "Show image prompt for slot" and entering a number gives me:

"Invalid Slot!
Please enter a value in [1; 0]."

I tried entering
1; 0
1-0
1
[1; 0]
and a few others and error message.

Show image, slot 01 (and up to 04) do nothing that i can tell.
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guys the CYCLE EDITOR is found in the EXTENSIONS menu that appears when you have sws extension installed...
Oh no it isn't! I'm looking at the default extensions menu and it's not listed. PPC/OSX/SWS beta 24.

I think you must have connections to get that kind of menu service. I can only access it with the actions window.
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Oh no it isn't! I'm looking at the default extensions menu and it's not listed. PPC/OSX/SWS beta 24.

I think you must have connections to get that kind of menu service. I can only access it with the actions window.
hmm no - just a PC!

must be a mac thing, sorry. real shame that..

@ CaptainHook, (edit: jeffos explains all below)

these new features are undocumented and quite tricky to fathom at first, plus they keep improving/changing, so if you've not been following their development and just jumped in its tricky to pull all the pieces together to be much use to the dev in terms of feedback straight out of the blocks. don't let that put you off though its a fun ride...

i'd recommend just going through the thread and sparing some moments staring at the various dialogs trying things out getting yourself up to speed, then you'll be in a better position to test stuff on mac etc and contribute any ideas too.

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so.... anyone seen my little media slot/image slot example video?
http://min.us/mbbjBUQpR
huh?

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Old 12-22-2011, 12:40 AM   #743
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hmm no - just a PC!

must be a mac thing, sorry. real shame that..
Oh, sorry for my rant then. I assumed it wasn't in the menu by design, but it's "just a mac thing". Lol. I found it easily enough in the action list but got the error as i posted above.

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these new features are undocumented and quite tricky to fathom at first, plus they keep improving/changing.... so if you've not been following their development and just jumped in its tricky to pull all the pieces together to be much use to the dev in terms of feedback straight out of the blocks.
No problem, just responding to a request i saw for mac users to give feedback. I also saw the word "beta" thrown around, but after reading this it now seems to me this stuff is very much Alpha (considering you say the features are still changing etc). I have no problem offering some time towards beta to help make sure locked down features are operating correctly, but not really if this is still Alpha. Yell out again when development is further along. Cheers.
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Even tests in "tourist mode" are welcome: I am blind without Mac here! So, thank you CaptainHook and thank you Kunda: even if you don't think so, there is some valuable feedback here, see below.
Please note that blind people can do things properly - even if they do not see them I just have some doubts I mentionned in post 275, the rest is (well "should be") Ok on OSX too.

"valuable" feedback I said:
- Kunda: many thanks for the screenshot (things look OK, like on Win). Also, the issue you pointed out is probably a larger bug impacting other things (@Tim, if you read this: I have a feeling something is wrong in the swell-ini mod). Thanks again, should be fixed in v2.1.0 #25 (well, let me know when it will be released!)
- Captain: the lack of "Cycle action editor" in the main menu > extensions is typically the kind of inputs I'm after! OSX-only bug, thanks, will be fixed in v2.1.0 #25
- "Please enter a value in [1; 0]" is because you have not defined any image slot in the Resources view but that does not look right, of course! will be fixed in v2.1.0 #25 (explicit error message)

Also, I dont understad, the extension is not in "alpha" stage!
It is just in "on-going developement", just like REAPER is.
(and to be honnest, v2.1.0 #24 is much better than the official 2.1 IMO - 2 critical fixes, at the very least)

The point here is just to finalize things for OSX too.

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So, here are some info that should help you to test things in "tourist mode":

1) Cycle action

What is it?

This is something which allow you to make some other kind of "macros". For example, when a cycle action is attached to a toolbar button, pressing that *same* button several times can execute several different actions.
With the cycle action example I attached above: click the button => vol envelopes are displayed for selected items, click again => pan envelopes are displayed, click again => vol envelopes, etc.. (it "cycles")
You can use that to make "macros" that report toggle states too (vol env => the button light-up, pan env => normal button, vol env => the button light-up, etc..). Just click in the "Toggle" column of the left list view of the cycle action editor.

See that excelent (but tough, if you are a beginner) example from Mercado_Negro with details/screenshots and step-by-step procedure here:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=84978 (big up to MN!)


So now, how to help me out?

1a) as reported here, the import cycle action test is KO so we'll have to wait for v2.1.0 #25... When it will be available:
- main menu > extension > Cycle action editor
- right click anywhere in the editor: context menu > Import/export > Import in current section
- open the file I attached in post 275
- click the apply button (bottom left of the editor)
Expected result:
=> a new action "show/hide take vol/pan envelopes" is added in the action list
=> when you perform it => vol envelopes are displayed for selected items, run it again => pan envelopes are displayed, etc..

1b) "Manual" creation of a cycle action. Please can someone test with the current v2.1.0 #24 ?
Try to define the cycle action Mercado_Negro has detailed step by step
=> everything OK? i.e. everything happens like MN described it?
Try to run that "switch layout" cycle action (but don't get fooled by that other native double-click bug which is discussed there: run the cycle action from the action list or from a button)
=> everything OK?




2) Region/marker subtitles

2a) done in the upcoming v2.1.0 #25, let's forget that

2b) to be tested once v2.1.0 #25 is released!

so, does the "Notes/Subtitles/Help" view behave like on Windows OS?



^^ i.e. do you see that on OSX too?
note: you must "unlock" the view for this test (I mean top left button disaled == text edition allowed).
in other words, export/import buttons should appear/disappear when swithing from/to "Project notes" <-> "Region/marker subtitles" (those buttons == load/save of subtitle files - only the SubRip .srt file format is managed ATM as it is widely supported by video players)



3) Show image actions

Of course, you need to create some "image slots" before you can perform the action "SWS/S&M - Show image, slot n":
- main menu > extension > resources
=> the Resources window is opened
- in the top left dropdown bow, choose "Images"
- right click, in the context menu > auto-fill > auto-fill from default resource path (<- you can add whatever png file but this is to simplify the test..)
=> ok, now you have some slots defined

The test:
- now you can run the action "Show image, slot 1"
=> does the related image is displayed on OSX ?
You should see something like:


^^ OMG, risky stuff! let's hope WT won't see how I stretched such beautiful bongos

IMPORTANT (this is where I think there will be a serious prob on OSX) - 2nd test:
- close the "S&M - Image" window (well, if it correctly appeared in the previous test)
- exit REAPER
- launch REAPER
- re-run the action "Show image, slot 1"
=> beachball, right ?



@BenK: do you see now why your FR has been "ignored" ? Also, pffffff I'm thristy after such a post.. but what!? still no beeer here !!¨%#!?
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do you see now why your FR has been "ignored" ? Also, pffffff I'm thristy after such a post.. but what!? still no beeer here !!¨%#!?
thanks for the explanatory post.. i like the subtitles in that they keep marker text neat on the arrange view.
yes, those Macs do make things more complicated for you and it is very much appreciated you doing so 'blind' too.

hey i was merely hoping for some feedback! plus i'd offered you beer.. so then the silence was really confusing!
(before anyone thinks i'm a meany.)

oh you'll get your drink don't worry..

thanks again.

edit: @cpnhook - no prob , feared you might take my post as me being a bit 'douchy' but was just trying to save u some hair pulling, now jeffos has sorted you guys out, all is good.

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Okay thanks for clearing that up Jeffos.

First, i have to ask..

Should the Notes/Subtitles/Help window be under the extensions menu too?
Right now i have to get it from the action list.

Moving on:

1b) Same error as importing your cycle action. Infact, i see other OSX users in the thread you linked have described the same problem/error with screen capture:

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=27

Quote:
Warning: cycle action '"redfader' (section 'Main') was added but not registered
Details: command id (or custom id) '"' not found
2b) I believe this is working as you intended. But i just played with this window for the first time and i did a screen capture of me doing so.. perhaps that will help see how it behaves in OSX better than i can explain (there is a display bug with characters like "j" that go below the text line - also the lock button is actually difficult to tell if it's in a locked state or not):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18578250/ReaperNotes.mov


3) Actually no beachball. I quit reaper and re-opened. All 4 image slots would open windows with images displaying. This seems to be working for me. I just tested on two different macbook pro's (i'm away from home and my iMac on xmas holidays visiting family) and one has 10.7.2 and the other 10.6.8. Both worked fine for this.

Hope this helps.
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Jeffos!

The Subtitles function is super handy voice dubbing and lyrics for vocals and all other kinds of goodies, thanks an insane amounts!
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THANKS CaptainHook!

yes the "Notes/Subtitles/Help" view should be there too (in main menu > extensions) I can't see what could be wrong for OSX here but I'll look.. (Sorry but are you sure it is not there?)

1b) so, just like 1a, it "should" be fixed in the next v2.1.0 #25!
thanks for the link too: yes, known issue, that's why we removed the editor at that time..

2b) Many, many thanks for the .mov!! Ha ha ha! in short, what I was expected to work on OSX does not but what was expected to not, does :
- the resizing is OK
- but there's obviouly a "refresh" problem (ex: when you switch to track notes, the text "projects notes" still displayed). Will look..
- the "j" thing: it is the font, I can probably choose another one for Macs: any suggestion (bundled font name) ?
- lock button: the view is "themable" so this is your current theme's lock button, can't help!

3) Ok, great! Now that is really official: SWELL kick ass!

We're close to it.
Thanks again. Much, MUCH appreciated.

[EDIT] oh! and in v2.1.0 #25, the cycle action editor wil be available out of the box (no ini file tweak needed)

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Old 12-22-2011, 05:57 PM   #749
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Jeffos, marker/region subtitles and item notes work fine here in OSX PPC.

sidenote: the "unlock" button is not quite as intuitive as seeing a "save" button or something, which might be a more user friendly option.

But it's working.

re; OSX font: Myriad is a useful default font, nice profile, gentle on the eyes.

Also, Notes/Subtitles/Help is in my default SWS menu.
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My apologies, Notes/Subtitles/Help is indeed there in extensions menu!

Myriad is good font choice for OSX. It's the apple corporate font and used for marketing/iPods/products etc.
The other option i would suggest is Lucida Grande which is the apple system font.

I was using the default theme in the video i posted so the lock icon should be the "out of the box" option?

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Oh, the persistant text across the different drop down options in Notes/Subtitles...
I think it's related to if one of those options isn't selected. eg. i tried again and if i have
no track selected, going from project notes to track notes will keep the project notes entry persistant too. It does say "no selection!" next to the drop down menu, but obviously this can still be confusing if you don't realize that the text staying there is a bug.
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Toggle column doesn't register as toggle on toolbar buttons here
Tried every way i can think of to no evail

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Thanks again Captain and Kunda!
v2.1.0 #25 still not released yet (I might bug you one last time when it will be available so we can check things are indeed fixed on OSX)

@CaptainHook: yes, thanks! the refresh issue is also present on Windows OS in fact, little regression, my fault, fixed in #25! also, in #25, you will be able to choose the "big" font name you want in the S&M.ini file

@Kunda: 2b or not 2b.. ha ha! I would say: "freebie or not freebie THAT is the question" !

@gpunk_w: sorry for the delay (I was busy with chocolate and other stuff )

To make a toggle action, 2 states (at least) are required, of course! But you only have one defined in your screenshot.
So to make a cycle action which reports a toggle state, you need to click the "toggle" column like you did but you also need at least one step "!" in it, ex:
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some_stuff1
!
some_stuff2
I guess why you did not put any "!" here: you are in a bit "specific" case where you only use actions which already have toggle states.
The correct way to handle that is:
Code:
40549
40557
!
40549
40557
Toggle states for cycle actions works fine here...
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One small request. We allready have "Normalize selected takes to db value...". Would it be possible to have:

> Set normalize level to db value in slot n

and

> Normalize selected items to db value, slot n

That way we can set up our own default normalize values and run them with out haveing to type them in every time. I for one like to normalize to a couple of different levels. Also if you have 100 or more samples to normalize it wouldn't be so tedious.
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Cheers jeffos
Seems to work fine
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Yo, v2.1.0 #25 is out - thank you Tim!

So, OSX users, are the cycle action editor issues 1a and 1b discussed above fixed now ?
Well, if someone can just confirm that he/she can import and perform the cycle action "show/hide take vol/pan envelopes", we'll say it's OK. The file to import is attached here: http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=725

reminder: no more ini tweak needed, the cycle action editor is now available out of the box on OSX too
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Cheers jeffos
Seems to work fine
Nice theme, which one is it ?
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^^ I'd also like to know how you set those mcp view buttons up. Like the Drums, Synths buttons etc.
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Yo, v2.1.0 #25 is out - thank you Tim!

So, OSX users, are the cycle action editor issues 1a and 1b discussed above fixed now ?
Well, if someone can just confirm that he/she can import and perform the cycle action "show/hide take vol/pan envelopes", we'll say it's OK. The file to import is attached here: http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=725

reminder: no more ini tweak needed, the cycle action editor is now available out of the box on OSX too
Hi Jeffos.

I just installed #25 on my Mac PPC / OSX 10.5.8.

I imported the action script and assigned it Opt-V to run it.

When I then run that key command I get a beachball spin but nothing happens. The beachball is not fatal but simply occurs for about 5 seconds.

However, I'm no longer getting that import error message from #24. That means we're almost there.
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thanks for hanging on Kundalinguist!
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When I then run that key command I get a beachball spin but nothing happens. The beachball is not fatal but simply occurs for about 5 seconds.
sorry! I don't understand (English..), what is a "non-fatal beachball spin" ?
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