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09-28-2018, 04:12 PM
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Behringer X-Touch One support - most DAWs but not Reaper
Behringer have recently released the X-Touch One single fader control surface and it seems perfect for Reaper users on a tight budget, BUT it's had issues with the fact that a mouse-click on a track in a DAW didn't automatically select that track on the X-Touch One. A definite deal-breaker for most users.
So, Behringer have updated the firmware, and it now works as expected on most DAWs except:
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Unfortunately Reaper, in regards to Track Selection and their implementation of it under the MC protocol is really just geared up for an 8 channel controller not single channel. It is to do with the way their Track Select works. Unfort nothing we can do about this from our side with regards to Mc Control.
If Reaper update this in future then we will be happy to re-visit for a future firmware release.
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Is this something that can be implemented in a future Reaper release?
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09-28-2018, 11:04 PM
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In these forums, there are multiple threads on Surface device Reaper extensions (including "DrivenByMoss4Reaper", "Klinke" and "CSI") these might help with integrating the XTouch One (and hundreds of other Control Surfaces) and to define a workflow for same the meets the actual user's workflow desires (which is heavily depending on the dedicated task they want to accomplish).
-Michael
Last edited by mschnell; 09-29-2018 at 12:16 AM.
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09-29-2018, 02:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mschnell
In these forums, there are multiple threads on Surface device Reaper extensions (including "DrivenByMoss4Reaper", "Klinke" and "CSI") these might help with integrating the XTouch One (and hundreds of other Control Surfaces) and to define a workflow for same the meets the actual user's workflow desires (which is heavily depending on the dedicated task they want to accomplish).
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If I understand the request the workflow is simple enough: select a single track in Reaper, the single track surface controller will select the same track.
From what I have gathered using control surfaces in Reaper is a PITA. While I have the impression that (some) hardware vendors sometimes don't make it easy for DAW developers, but also that Cockos has controls surfaces not very high on its priority list.
I thought about buying a XTouch One, but its odd that this very basic feature doesn't work. It's so basic that I didn't even expect it could not be working out of the box.
I'm fine with spending time to create a very personal worklflow, but I'm disappointed if any given software/hardware combination doesn't offer at least a useful out-of-the-box experience.
But it strikes me odd that there are issues as Beheringer ships the XTouch One even with Reaper UI overlay.
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09-29-2018, 02:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masi
If I understand the request the workflow is simple enough
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I suppose on the long run this will suite only a small minority of the users. If I spent money for a hardware controller I will want to use it for many more tasks.
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Originally Posted by Masi
Cockos has controls surfaces not very high on its priority list.
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This obviously is correct, and a good decision.
The complexity of decently supporting a control surface is a task that can be much better done in a 3rd party plugin such as "DrivenByMoss4Reaper", "Klinke" and "CSI".
I do know that "CSI" is very promising but right now in pre-Alpha state. I don't know much about "DrivenByMoss4Reaper" and "Klinke", as to me CSI seems to feature the most viable ideas and I am not in a hurry.
in fact "Moss" is interesting in that it supports multiple DAWs.
-Michael
Last edited by mschnell; 09-29-2018 at 02:38 AM.
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09-29-2018, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mschnell
If I spent money for a hardware controller I will want to use it for many more tasks.
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That's true. But all those posting make me fear that if I buy a controller I either spent days to configure it just to figure out that I cannt use all the features of the controller in Reaper.
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Originally Posted by mschnell
The complexity of decently supporting a control surface is a task that can be much better done in a 3rd party plugin such as "DrivenByMoss4Reaper", "Klinke" and "CSI".
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Maybe I'm underestimating the complexity, but I wonder where it comes from? Is it the lack of an *industry* standard? All the proctols that are usually talked of seem to be proprietary with more or less buggy clones.
Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I'll check out those plugins.
Masi
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09-29-2018, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mschnell
"DrivenByMoss4Reaper", "Klinke" and "CSI".
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DrivenByMoss4Reaper is active. It may or may not be possible to overcome the reported issue by using the generic MCU controller:
http://www.mossgrabers.de/Software/Reaper/Reaper.html
CSurf Klinke seems to be dead (or at least sleeping):
https://bitbucket.org/Klinkenstecker/csurf_klinke_mcu
CSI may be up to it. To get it flying testers are needed:
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/33037/CSI%20pre%20alpha.zip
Masi
PS: Still not convinced that Reaper couldn't have full support for MCU and HUI. But I have to admint that I have no clue what a DAW is supposed to (or may send to) a controller when a track is selected. And how to cope with the fact that a user may select more than one track, eg use the last selected one or the one with the lowest number.
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09-29-2018, 10:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masi
That's true. But all those posting make me fear that if I buy a controller I either spent days to configure it just to figure out that I cannt use all the features of the controller in Reaper....Maybe I'm underestimating the complexity
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That is why I hope for CSI to be "official released". Here the idea is that anybody can create configuration files (not scripts !) supporting possible protocols of a wide range of devices (including but not limited to more or less MCU compatible ones, as well Midi as OSC based, and other files defining the preferred workflows a user might imagine.
Now the extension software in place, the community can create and provide these configuration files.
-Michael
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09-29-2018, 01:49 PM
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It would be nice if you would give DrivenByMoss4Reaper a spin and report your results. I tested it with quite a lot of different devices which "speak MCU" but not one with only one fader. I took several precautions to not run into the multiple-track-selection problem, so I am pretty sure it will work. Fingers crossed :-)
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09-29-2018, 03:08 PM
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I suppose you addresses jesus4c
If you wanted to address me, as well, I have a Begringer XTouch Compact, which I use to control my live keyboard playing setup. The Compact does feature an "MC" mode (while I use it in it's native mode), but in MC mode several of it's controllers are not accessible. That is why I would rather use it in native mode with Reaper, as well.
-Michael
Last edited by mschnell; 10-04-2018 at 05:22 AM.
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10-04-2018, 05:03 AM
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Reaper XT1 workaround
I posted this on another thread but FYI
So by accident I had XT1 up and running well with with Studio One. I then closed S1 and opened Reaper without changing the XT1 to be configured to Reaper. Lo and behold it worked and it followed track selected on the daw that was selected by mouse click! I haven't tried everything but it's an odd start.
Edit update: Using S1 Template
Pan and Pan to center works
Beats/Time, Master,Ch select, Mute, Solo, and Rec Ch all buttons work
Automation buttons work
Auto punch button works
Metronome button works
Marker Jump button creates a marker
All view buttons and add send, add insert buttons do not work
Transport buttons all work
Zoom and Marker select work
Bank select and ch select work but quirky (ascending thru channels requires a double click on the ch button. Descending works normally. Track selected in daw via mouse follows track in XT1, even beyond the bank
Scribble strip display is correct and fader moves as expected. Jog wheel and undo works.
Scroll up/down and Zoom works
Marker select does not work it zooms horizontally
All preliminary tests but still a viable work around.
NOTE: You need to configure XT1 to be in S1 mode BEFORE you open Reaper
Configuring XT1 while Reaper is open has poor results.
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10-11-2018, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soulranger
I posted this on another thread but FYI
Bank select and ch select work but quirky (ascending thru channels requires a double click on the ch button. Descending works normally. Track selected in daw via mouse follows track in XT1, even beyond the bank
NOTE: You need to configure XT1 to be in S1 mode BEFORE you open Reaper
Configuring XT1 while Reaper is open has poor results.
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selecting 'MC S1' mode on the XT1 is indeed the way to go
Last edited by Voodoo Chile; 10-11-2018 at 01:54 PM.
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10-12-2018, 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soulranger
I posted this on another thread but FYI
... Lo and behold it worked and it followed track selected on the daw that was selected by mouse click! I haven't tried everything but it's an odd start.
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Tried with S1 mode but my x touch continues to act on the track shown in the LCD display under the encoder.
When selecting a track by mouse click, the 'Assignment' display (the one on the right of the encoder knob) follows the DAW track but the rest of the surface actions are addressed to the track displayed on the blue LCD display under this encoder.
Not the same for you? What kind of surface did you assign in Reaper for the X Touch, Mackie Control Standard?
THX!
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10-12-2018, 10:49 AM
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@flavio
You need to have the XT1 in Studio One mode prior to starting Reaper. Reaper itself does not need to be configured for the XT1. At least this is what worked for me
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10-12-2018, 11:31 PM
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I have been playing with this lately and it does appear the 'MC User' mode is actually the most ideal at the moment. in this mode the read, write, trim, touch and latch buttons work correctly. only the ch select buttons aren't working. you will have to select the channel using a mouse. which 90% of the time I do anyway so not a huge problem for me.
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10-13-2018, 06:12 AM
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For me, the touch, latch, write buttons only work in S1 mode. Also, in MC user mode, the metronome button doesn't work and there is no way to undo.
Edit: Ok, dumb me, I forgot to map the specific actions through Reaper. It does seem to work well in MC User mode. Like mentioned, the channel buttons on the XT1 don't respond.
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10-13-2018, 07:30 AM
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Interesting, perhaps it has something to do with the version of Reaper. I am still using version 5.52/x64/Win81.
In 'MC User' mode all the buttons are working correctly, including 'Add Marker', 'Toggle Repeat', 'Undo', and 'Save'.
Even though I am in 'MC User' mode I am still using the 'Reaper' overlay template that came with the XT1.
For me only the 'Bank' and 'Channel' buttons aren't working, everything else seems to be working fine.
In 'MC S1' mode the 'Write', 'Trim' and 'Touch' buttons didn't follow the Reaper overlay template and were mixed up.
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10-13-2018, 07:48 AM
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Furthermore, when I select every channel in the DAW with my mouse putting each channel in 'SELECT' mode, then I am able to use the Ch Buttons to scroll through all the channels.
In other words, the Ch Button only recognizes tracks that are already selected and highlighted in the DAW.
This of course is useless but maybe it will shed some light on what's going on for the REAPER programmers.
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10-13-2018, 08:07 AM
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Sorry Soulranger, just now noticing your 'Edit' comment.
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10-16-2018, 06:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soulranger
@flavio
You need to have the XT1 in Studio One mode prior to starting Reaper. Reaper itself does not need to be configured for the XT1. At least this is what worked for me
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Thank you @soulranger
Did it but same result...
Anyway, I am going to set the MC User mode.
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10-17-2018, 04:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus4c
Behringer have recently released the X-Touch One single fader control surface and it seems perfect for Reaper users on a tight budget, BUT it's had issues with the fact that a mouse-click on a track in a DAW didn't automatically select that track on the X-Touch One. A definite deal-breaker for most users.
So, Behringer have updated the firmware, and it now works as expected on most DAWs except:
Is this something that can be implemented in a future Reaper release?
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Hey - looks like you have been bashing the piggy bank after all! Which Audio-MIDI interface did you go with in the end? Sorry about the OT post.
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12-26-2018, 05:40 AM
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I'm really interested in the X-Touch 1, can anyone tell me what works and what doesn't with Reaper?
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12-26-2018, 08:17 AM
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Obviously, the correct location to ask this id the "Control Surfaces" subforum.
-Michael
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12-26-2018, 12:39 PM
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Does anyone have x-touch mini working in reaper?
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12-27-2018, 01:46 PM
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Obviously, the correct location to ask this id the "Control Surfaces" subforum.
-Michael
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02-28-2019, 03:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soulranger
I posted this on another thread but FYI
So by accident I had XT1 up and running well with with Studio One. I then closed S1 and opened Reaper without changing the XT1 to be configured to Reaper. Lo and behold it worked and it followed track selected on the daw that was selected by mouse click! I haven't tried everything but it's an odd start.
Edit update: Using S1 Template
Pan and Pan to center works
Beats/Time, Master,Ch select, Mute, Solo, and Rec Ch all buttons work
Automation buttons work
Auto punch button works
Metronome button works
Marker Jump button creates a marker
All view buttons and add send, add insert buttons do not work
Transport buttons all work
Zoom and Marker select work
Bank select and ch select work but quirky (ascending thru channels requires a double click on the ch button. Descending works normally. Track selected in daw via mouse follows track in XT1, even beyond the bank
Scribble strip display is correct and fader moves as expected. Jog wheel and undo works.
Scroll up/down and Zoom works
Marker select does not work it zooms horizontally
All preliminary tests but still a viable work around.
NOTE: You need to configure XT1 to be in S1 mode BEFORE you open Reaper
Configuring XT1 while Reaper is open has poor results.
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I tried S1 mode yesterday and I discovered some serious problems with fader values. Sometimes a fader goes to a different value than the fader in Reaper and touching the fader suddenly jumps in level when touched on X Touch One.
I'll see if Driven By Moss will address "click to focus" functionality.
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02-28-2019, 07:23 AM
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Obviously, the correct location to discuss this is the "Control Surfaces" subforum.
-Michael
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09-10-2019, 03:11 AM
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Testing the DrivenByMoss here, function look good, now i have access to the fx list and plugins setting , great job moss.BUT, reaper graphically goes really slow on heavy sessions ,dragging floating windows goes slow.
Another thing that i´ve noticed is the meters not responding really accurate on the XTouch. according to the track meter. The default MC controller included in reaper was more accurate.
any particular reason for this ?
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09-10-2019, 03:37 AM
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Obviously, the correct location to discuss this is the "Control Surfaces" subforum.
You might want to try CSI instead. Maybe this works more efficiently, as this is a CPU-native Reaper Extension and not based on complex scripting in a language that is not native to Reaper.
-Michael
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09-10-2019, 04:41 AM
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Thanks Michael.
Does the CSI have all this options? plugins control, sends on fader for buses etc ?
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09-10-2019, 02:07 PM
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Thanks Michael.
Does the CSI have all this options? plugins control, sends on fader for buses etc ?
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AFAI understand: yes and much more.
It can be configured extremely freely according to your hardware and your intended workflow. But (as with Reaper itself) doing the prefect configuration might require a lot of work.
-Michael
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05-12-2020, 08:04 PM
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Is there still this problem with the x-touch one and this fader issue?
I'm on MAC OSX and reaper 6
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05-12-2020, 10:49 PM
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What is "this problem" ?
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05-13-2020, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mschnell
What is "this problem" ?
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the problem with the fader.....
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05-13-2020, 03:56 AM
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This is what you already said, but not a description of the problem.
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07-28-2021, 06:23 PM
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Touch one in Reaper **Track follows mouse workaround**
Hello all,
I purchased a Touch One from Reverb last week and configured it to use the MC Reaper mode (per the Behringer YT video). Almost all functions work correctly except for that annoying "track follows mouse click" option that everyone has been trying to solve for the past 3 years. I've found a workaround that works well for me, however some of you might consider it too clunky.
First off, since MC Reaper worked for 90% of my needs, I didn't want to go down the beta rabbit-hole and start configuring Klinke, CSI, or Moss4Reaper. (No dis to those developers; you have all done magnificent work and are true gems in the Reaper community). I'm just a simple guy who wants to get from A to B with the least amount of hassle. I really needed a simple solution for a dumb musician.
Here's what I did:
Updated T1 firmware from 1.07 to 1.08
Set up T1 in MC Reaper mode (per video)
Enabled T1 under MIDI devices (Options/preferences/audio) for Enabled + control
Created a new track 1 in Reaper and named it "BLANK"
IMPORTANT: You will no longer use the ch and bank select buttons on the T1; LEAVE THEM SET TO TRACK 1 (BLANK) The LCD scribble pad will confirm this.
Highlight all tracks and set all volume sliders to "0" (parity)
Click on track one to deselect all tracks leaving only 1 highlighted.
Note: You might also want to adjust your volume fader range under Options, Preferences, Track control panels. I use +10
Now, select any other track (1-100) you wish to control and it shows highlighted.
On the T1, press the "ch select" button (if using the Reaper template), or "select" for no template, and it will turn green.
You will now see that both tracks show selected. (BLANK + target track).
Move your fader and you will see both track volumes moving in sync.
Configured this way I can now write automation on the target track, but it will also write on the BLANK track. The BLANK track is simply a scratch board and I erase all envelopes on it using a Reaper hot key set to "clear or remove envelope".
I can go down the track list automating as I select target tracks, and delete the automation on the BLANK track as I go with the hot-key.
This works for me and is quick and simple. I hope you all can get some benefit from it.
Best,
Jack Wilson
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