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Old 05-22-2020, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default Toggling mic monitoring/speaker muting to record/listen

How to switch between recording and listening? Will try to make myself clear.

Okay, so I am in front of me music rig, staring at mic and speakers. And they are staring back. Its a small bedroom corner. A OneManBand.

When recording, I need to mute the speakers and enable "Record Monitoring" on the vocal track. Monitoring is thru the headphones. However, when doen recording and wanting to listen thru the speakers, I need to reverse that - Enable the speakers, disable the monitoring, else one gets a squeal. Not the good kind.

I have done this for years in Sonar, which I am looking to abandon, since they abandoned me. Sonar allows individual buttons to be grouped. So I group Mute buttons with Monitor buttons. And it worked sweet. I simply had to hit one button and toggle back and forth to my hearts content.

Apparently, REAPER doesnt Group the same way. It seems only matching controls can be grouped. I tried adding the "Arm Record" to some Mute buttons in a small group, but no.

So, looking for another solution for toggling between monitoring/listening.

I like REAPER, but the grouping is primitive and clumsy. In Sonar, it was right-click on a button or control, and get the add to group dialog. Quick.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:33 PM   #2
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Hmmm...doesn't the Auto mode of record monitoring do what you need? I thought it allows you to hear the input when track is armed, but only when playback is stopped.

Edit: Or maybe "playback is stopped" includes recording too...so perhaps that's not what you need.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:39 PM   #3
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I think when I record I use the direct monitoring feature of my interface and just mute the record track in Reaper since I don't need to hear it. Then I can use a custom action after recording to simultaneously unmute the track and unarm it for recording so I can playback what I recorded without listening to the mic or line input.
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Old 05-22-2020, 05:06 PM   #4
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Hmmm...doesn't the Auto mode of record monitoring do what you need? I thought it allows you to hear the input when track is armed, but only when playback is stopped.

Edit: Or maybe "playback is stopped" includes recording too...so perhaps that's not what you need.
AM a newbie,m have been intending to research the Auto mode, since it did not seem to work as expected/wanted. THanks
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Old 05-22-2020, 05:12 PM   #5
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I think when I record I use the direct monitoring feature of my interface and just mute the record track in Reaper since I don't need to hear it. Then I can use a custom action after recording to simultaneously unmute the track and unarm it for recording so I can playback what I recorded without listening to the mic or line input.
What I like to do is monitor myself using the effects, attempting to get close to a mixed sound. I find this method of discovery fruitful. I like to experiment. Would have to think through if I can still do this using your suggestion ...thanks again.
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:01 PM   #6
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What I like to do is monitor myself using the effects, attempting to get close to a mixed sound. I find this method of discovery fruitful. I like to experiment. Would have to think through if I can still do this using your suggestion ...thanks again.
Well if you are monitoring using effects, it wouldn't work -- unless you have effects built into your interface, which only a few do.

When you say "mute the speakers," how are you doing that exactly?
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:22 PM   #7
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Well if you are monitoring using effects, it wouldn't work -- unless you have effects built into your interface, which only a few do.

When you say "mute the speakers," how are you doing that exactly?
In Sonar, with the mute button on the Speaker Bus
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:14 PM   #8
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So you have separate hardware outputs on the master track in Reaper for your headphones and for your speakers?
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:18 PM   #9
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So you have separate hardware outputs on the master track in Reaper for your headphones and for your speakers?
Yes. Have two sets of speakers (actually Speaker Bus with two sends and two tracks), thus two tracks going to their hardware outputs. Right "now" (am saying that because being a newbie and trial/error) am not really using the Master. For overall volume control, using the Speaker Bus.

Basically what is my working solution is a Mute button group on the Headphone Bus and the Speaker (one of the two Bus is always muted) I have to remember to turn off Monitoring on the active vocal track before un-muting the Speaker Bus.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:35 PM   #10
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Yes. Have two sets of speakers (actually Speaker Bus with two sends and two tracks), thus two tracks going to their hardware outputs. Right "now" (am saying that because being a newbie and trial/error) am not really using the Master. For overall volume control, using the Speaker Bus.

Basically what is my working solution is a Mute button group on the Headphone Bus and the Speaker (one of the two Bus is always muted) I have to remember to turn off Monitoring on the active vocal track before un-muting the Speaker Bus.
I see. You could simplify that routing a bit by having a single "mix bus" track that feeds all audio to the master track, then place hardware output sends on the master track itself.

Let's say you did that, so that you have two sends on the master track: hardware output 1/2 and hardware output 3/4. The first sends the mix out of your interface to your speakers, and the second sends it to your headphones.

Then, you can use Reaper's cycle actions combined with a custom action to toggle mute the speaker output on the master track while simultaneously toggling the record monitor of your selected track on and off.

First, watch this video and do what he does to create a cycle action that toggles the selected track's record monitor setting between ON and OFF (ignoring the Auto mode):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giyWcjUgDNk

Here is mine:





Now, create a custom action that combines your new cycle action with a master-track send mute:





You can then assign that custom action to a shortcut or toolbar button.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:37 PM   #11
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Just a note: I only have two hardware outputs on this bedroom computer's interface, so the GIFs above show two identical sends (output 1-2) on the master track. Yours wouldn't be identical, they would be Output 1-2 for speakers and Output 3-4 for headphones.
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