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Old 06-23-2016, 02:38 AM   #1
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Default Can't drag/drop sends to master track

Drag the send button on track A to send button on track B. An A->B send is made.

Untick 'master send' on any track.
Drag the send button on track A to master track (TCP or MCP). An A->MASTER send is NOT made.

This appears to be because there is a slight difference the way normal sends and master-sends function... you can have as many A->B sends as you want, but you can only have one A->MASTER send. Master-send dB is identical with track volume.

But without knowing this it just seems like an inconsitant UI decision.

Suggestion: dragging the send button from track A to the master track effectively just ticks the master send option.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:51 AM   #2
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Confirmed.

That 'master/parent send' checkbox is literally a "shortcut" for creating a send to the master. (It saves one whole mouse click as well as confuses the hell out of new users! ) Must be a clash with the normal creation of sends.

The faux pas here is this would limit you to one instance of a send to the master from any one track. Normally fine but more complex routing needs come up especially in surround sound work. You can't send from the master track either.

What always ends up happening is we use a normal (universal) track for a master track and the limited use Reaper master goes unused or is used for a solo (cuemix) bus.


My humble suggestion would be to remove that weird looking shortcut (it only saves one mouse click). Make inserting a send to the master track consistent in appearance with everything else. You could still have a preference setting to automatically include a send to the master on any new track, so that wouldn't change. Or maybe keep the checkbox but have an actual GUI element for the send appear that is again, consistent in appearance with sends.

On the other hand, a dedicated (and functionally limited) master is already obsolete in Reaper with universal tracks. So... maybe do nothing?
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:32 PM   #3
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I tend to agree with serr on this one just keep the master send routing consistent with all other routing
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:53 PM   #4
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Interesting take, serr.

If Reaper were to take away the master-send's unique position, how do you see UI display of volume working?

For a given track A, you could have multiple A->master sends at different dB, and no particular one would be a uniquely privileged 'volume'. It might be a pretty big shift away from the normal mixer paradigm I think (a shift that is arguably already implicit in Reaper's design, but not obvious to the user?).
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Old 06-23-2016, 07:35 PM   #5
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This part was more of an aside. Maybe add a GUI element appearing like a normal send when you check the box for master/parent send. That's less drastic than the first way I put it. Then you'd have the volume display like the rest of the sends.

Low priority though when you can just use a track as a submaster and have all that functionality right out of the box.
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