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Old 05-16-2019, 10:01 AM   #1
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Default Notation bug - horizontal vs vertical zoom is not independent

EDIT 2023-02-04

The list of what needs to be implemented:

The main fix
  • Independent horizontal zooming
  • Independent vertical zooming
    If the notation elements gets overlapped with very large vertical zoom, it is ok. Let the user manage this.
  • Both zooming directions should step by the same amount when possible.
    E.g. both actions "zoom in vertically" and "zoom in horizontally" should zoom for example by 10%.

Smaller bugs
  • Make both scrollbars visible at all times.
  • Separate zooming and scrolling.

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1)
BUG - horizontal and vertical zooming is not independent.

EXPECTED - full independence. Moreover, both horizontal and vertical zooming actions should be stepping by the same amount. Then when combined in a custom action, such zooming can keep proportions. (EDIT 2023-01-26: I understand the true proportinal zoom is not possible in the non-continous view, but in the continuous view, it would be.)

Current Reaper.


Example of zooming which keeps proportions (Dorico):



2)
- fully zoom out vertically

BUG - there is no scrollbar on side.



3)
- fully zoom out horizontally
- still keep trying to zoom out horizontally with the action

BUG - notation is scrolled to the start



Related:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=2440983
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=2354500

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Old 06-21-2019, 10:36 AM   #2
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I would love ALL those fixes. +1
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Old 04-20-2020, 11:36 AM   #6
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Plus one. zoom in notation editor is a confusing thing. I always get lost in the items
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Bumping this since it's relevant to my own notation editor zoom bug report: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....=1#post2364325
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Old 04-29-2021, 01:06 PM   #11
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Old 10-23-2021, 08:20 PM   #13
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Default Notation is not functional.

If you want to work seriously with notation, Reaper is not an option.

Notation is really broken everywhere with a lot of bugs. So I don't think the Devs will invest time (and frankly I don't blame them at all) with this because they know notation, in general, is simply non-functional in Reaper and should be rethought and remake, a lot of work I'm affraid ... They tried but they couldn't get it work.

It is simply imposible to get anything complex done ... especially if you want to do it in a reasonable amount of time. I surrendered some time ago, I bought a notation program, I think it is the wise and healthy way to go (if you can afford it).
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If you want to work seriously with notation, Reaper is not an option.

Notation is really broken everywhere with a lot of bugs. So I don't think the Devs will invest time (and frankly I don't blame them at all) with this because they know notation, in general, is simply non-functional in Reaper and should be rethought and remake, a lot of work I'm affraid ... They tried but they couldn't get it work.

It is simply imposible to get anything complex done ... especially if you want to do it in a reasonable amount of time. I surrendered some time ago, I bought a notation program, I think it is the wise and healthy way to go (if you can afford it).
the notation with reaper is very basic. It is cool for visualizing simple things, maybe using it while composing.

with reaper you have a option tho. You can work with other softwares. Here is my script to use it with musescore/sib/dorico/finale/anything export midi
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....oc#post2395944
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Old 10-24-2021, 01:01 AM   #15
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If you want to work seriously with notation, Reaper is not an option.

Notation is really broken everywhere with a lot of bugs. So I don't think the Devs will invest time (and frankly I don't blame them at all) with this because they know notation, in general, is simply non-functional in Reaper and should be rethought and remake, a lot of work I'm affraid ... They tried but they couldn't get it work.

It is simply imposible to get anything complex done ... especially if you want to do it in a reasonable amount of time. I surrendered some time ago, I bought a notation program, I think it is the wise and healthy way to go (if you can afford it).
The idea behind Reaper's notation is good IMO. The problem is in the design and usability as with many things in Reaper. For me the thing about notation is scriptability. I use it for composition and with my factory of scripts it is quite powerful. When I want the score to go to the musicians I export to Dorico and finish it there.

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Old 10-24-2021, 03:14 AM   #16
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the notation with reaper is very basic. It is cool for visualizing simple things. ou can work with other softwares. Here is my script to use it with musescore/sib/dorico/finale/anything export midi
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....oc#post2395944
Yep it is a visualization tool ... not a notation tool per se to work. Using other software it is the only way, so for me makes sense to use a professional notation program all the way from the beginning, importing and exporting stuff is not efficient.

I guess that it is so complex and time-consuming finish notation (or redoing it) that they symply stopped fixing its bugs.

To be honest, notation in a complex way is used a lot with articulations in Orchestral stuff or classical music ... Reaper is going the opposite way, I am afraid, but still a great cheap program really useful for mixing and mastering at the end of the process. That is how I use Reaper nowadays, I also stopped trying ...

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I don't see much reason for reaper notation to be as developed as a notation software. The time to build it would be better spend at the more central things. That said I think is kinda usefull what we already have, I wish some of the bFooz bugs report were corrected. Much of those also difficult my work in the notation. Although I don't use it very much
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zoom at Mouse cursor doesn't work.
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Old 12-15-2021, 03:55 PM   #19
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The idea behind Reaper's notation is good IMO. The problem is in the design and usability as with many things in Reaper. For me the thing about notation is scriptability. I use it for composition and with my factory of scripts it is quite powerful. When I want the score to go to the musicians I export to Dorico and finish it there.
Are your scoring scripts downloadable somewhere by any chance?
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Old 12-16-2021, 02:29 AM   #20
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They are not.

It's all based around custom workflows. They are kinda messy but it is always me who needs to deal with that messiness. If I would make them public, they would need to be maintained and made more foolproof.

But maybe if you have a need for some particular script or notation-related action in mind already, I can search if I have something like that.
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They are not.

It's all based around custom workflows. They are kinda messy but it is always me who needs to deal with that messiness. If I would make them public, they would need to be maintained and made more foolproof.

But maybe if you have a need for some particular script or notation-related action in mind already, I can search if I have something like that.
thank you
I would like the personalized name of the musical notes created in the "note named" mode to appear in front of each note on the score 🙂
Do you happen to have a script like the one please? Thank you.
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I don't have that, I don't use custom note names.
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I don't have that, I don't use custom note names.
thanks anyway
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+1 would help a lot for proper zoom to be implemented
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+1 would help a lot for proper zoom to be implemented
we are waiting for it!
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Cubase has fully integrated Dorico, I think Reaper should invest some time on the MIDI and Notation.
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Old 01-26-2023, 01:13 AM   #29
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This ISSUE 11 is the most important to fix for the workflow in the score editor.
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It may be that the issue is very complicated and that it takes too long for developers to fix.
The issue dates from almost 4 years ago!!!
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This is a table of where the zoom changes unnecessary when zooming in from the minimal zoom out point. The main entries are vertical zoom steps, the subtables are the horizontal zoom steps where the shift happens. (The exact points might be relative to the window size I use though.)
At each shift the vertical must be zoomed out one step to match the previous zoom level.

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local splitPoints = { -- vZoom = {hZoom where shift happens}
    [0] = {23,25,27},
    [1] = {23,25,27},
    [2] = {22,25,26,27},
    [3] = {23,25,26,27},
    [4] = {21,23,25,26,27},
    [5] = {22,23,25,26,27,28},
    [6] = {22,23,25,26,27,28}
}

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Default How to zoom without it being too complicated

How to zoom without it being too complicated 1

Scroll wheel set to horizontal zoom
preferences set to mouse cursor

Nonlinear view
If the mouse is placed at the top left of the window, in the entire first half, the zoom is easier to perform. The scroll bar on the right never moves so that it would be nice to have more precision in the number of measures displayed per line by correcting this issue: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....63#post2643463
If you place the mouse at the top right, the scroll bar on the right moves.





In continuous view always
Place the cursor where you want to zoom.
Then, you have to alternate one or two wheel steps (one move to the left, one move to the right) on either side of the edit cursor.
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How to zoom without it being too complicated 2


To zoom to selected notes, this custom action can help. It's not perfect but it works quite well.


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Thanks.

I've seen this recently in some scripts from FTC and experimented with his approach in my scripts.

Looking at you custom action, wouldn't it work better if the "Mode Piano roll" action was placed before the "Zoom..." action?
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Thanks.

I've seen this recently in some scripts from FTC and experimented with his approach in my scripts.

Looking at you custom action, wouldn't it work better if the "Mode Piano roll" action was placed before the "Zoom..." action?
No, I have the impression that my custom action works better, but I haven't done a billion tries
I created this custom action a long time ago. I don't know the scripts from FTC
do you also have what i posted before?
I only found that out tonight.
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