Old 06-22-2018, 06:24 PM   #1
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Default WIP - Need critique - The Sisters Of Mercy (Cover song)

Bonjour. J'ai besoin de vos oreilles. J'ai mixé une chanson mais avant de faire un final RENDER j'aimerais avoir du feedback

Hello. I need your ears. I mixed a song but before I make a final RENDER I need some feedback.

Please critique the mix. Anything sounding off on your side of the monitors?

'm making a video for the song that will be ready in about 7-10 days- at that point I'll need to make a final render.

Any suggestions?

Ohhh... The song is Nine While Nine of The Sisters of Mercy. I made a French version - which was a real challenge!

The drums are Oberheim DMX samples -- the famous drum machine used in the 80's.

https://soundcloud.com/consciousgroo...french-version

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Old 06-24-2018, 12:43 PM   #2
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I would lower the guitar "pling plong" that goes on all through the song. I think the drums and vocals are too low compared to the guitar. And that guitar gets a bit annoying after a while... dynamically it is too static (to me).
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:10 PM   #3
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Hi RDBOIS,
in my opinion, as Fabian said, guitar is way too loud.
I would also lower the Vocals to set them into the music, not on top of it.
Aside from that..great job :-)
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:28 PM   #4
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Got it.

Thanks.

I'll probably lower some harsh frequencies in the guitars, which should also help make the vocals more audible.

Also need to work on the bass and rethink the reverb.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:29 AM   #5
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Agreed about guitars and IMHO too clean voice. May be a little more reverb and\or less treble, to make it darker.

Drums, bass and other seems OK.
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I don't know the original. It's a nice song, but your vocals are way too low in volume and the guitar is indeed too loud. In the beginning the guitar riff is catchy and surprising, but since it goes on and on it starts to get annoying being so loud. Maybe use a volume envelope to lower in the parts where you sing. And also a bit more dynamics would do miracles for the song.
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I don't know the original. It's a nice song, but your vocals are way too low in volume and the guitar is indeed too loud. In the beginning the guitar riff is catchy and surprising, but since it goes on and on it starts to get annoying being so loud. Maybe use a volume envelope to lower in the parts where you sing. And also a bit more dynamics would do miracles for the song.
I agree.

HEre is the final version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgZW3vJifo

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Old 06-27-2018, 12:31 PM   #8
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I agree.

HEre is the final version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgZW3vJifo

Much better! Cool, really cool. And I love the video.
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Much better! Cool, really cool. And I love the video.
Thanks.
Thanks for the nice comment. Well appreciated
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:06 PM   #10
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This is one of my favorite songs from that beautiful album.
The French language suits it very well! Andrew Eldritch is a known polyglot and he surely would appreciate, too.
The mix sounds very good to me and it's cool that you have used the original drum machine they used on that album.
Cheers!
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This is one of my favorite songs from that beautiful album.
The French language suits it very well! Andrew Eldritch is a known polyglot and he surely would appreciate, too.
The mix sounds very good to me and it's cool that you have used the original drum machine they used on that album.
Cheers!
Thanks for listening and the nice comment. It was fun to record and I learned a few things regarding song production (e.g. drum machine sampling, dialing in specific guitar tones, adding chorus only on one channel, slowing down the playrate --- the song is 45 cents off because the tape was slowed down, etc.) I suspect Sisters of Mercy slowed down the tape and the song so that the vocals would sound lower (baritone voice).

Hey, I looked up your user name ""Nizhny Tagil" and it led me into a fascinating ride into Russian history. I like to do research and have done a lot of research on the history of Russia (I do this for my own personal education).

Please tell me if I got this right?

"Nizhny Tagil" is a city that used to be called Nizhnetagilsky Zavod. It has an unusual large amount of metal production and manufacturing industry and prisons (more on the connection later). Because of these industry it is also one of the most polluted cities in the region (especially air pollution associated to lung problems).

Originally the Demidov (Деми́довы) family played an important role in shaping the economy of the city. They were made noble by Peter the Great Пётр Вели́кий who ruled the Tsardom of Russia and later the Russian Empire because of their skill at producing weapons so to fight Napoleon, for example. Eventually the Demidov family lost there power. Following the Revolution (aka the Bolchevik revolution -- aka replacing the Tsars with crypto-Ashkenazi Jews and socialism/communism/Marxism) the Dzerzhinsky Ural Railroad Car Factory was created, later renamed Uralvagonzavod one of the largest scientific and industrial complexes in Russia and the largest main battle tank manufacturer in the world.

Felix Dzerzhinsky (Jewish descent) was determined to become a priest (Jesuit) but instead became a psychopath as he embarked on a career of a professional revolutionary associating with the Bolshevik faction of the Russian revolutionary movement, who was in fact organized and financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York (e.g. Wall Street, Rothschild, Schiff of the New York
investment firm Kuhn, Loeb and Co, Zionist bankers, etc.). In December 1917 to protect the newly-born Bolshevik government from political opponents a secret police – All Russian Extraordinary Commission – was created, later known by its Russian initials Cheka («ЧК»). Its agents were dubbed the Chekists. This forerunner of the KGB unleashed a reign of terror on all those seen as enemies of the revolution. Recommended by Lenin ( real name = Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov -- of Jewish descent) , Dzerzhinsky was appointed the Cheka’s head. Nicknamed Iron Felix for his ruthlessness and devotion to the cause, he soon became the most feared man in Russia. The Cheka itself soon became known for its use of torture and mass summary executions.

Apart from factories the other thing Nizhni Tagil has in abundance is prisons. There are eight, including a special detention facility for policemen. Many inmates work unpaid in the arms industry, a tradition dating back to the Gulag days which makes Russia's weaponry some of the most competitively priced in the world. Besides gold mining, Gulag prisoners cut timber; mined coal, iron and copper ore; built factories and hydroelectric dams, roads, and cities. They erected metallurgy plants in Norilsk that produced nickel, copper and platinum, and a steel manufacturing giant in Nizhny Tagil.

The United States also used prisoners as forced labor, especially in mining iron ore back in the days following slavery. The industrialists could no longer have black slaves legally so they would find reasons (i.e. label them as criminals) to put them in jails and force them to work in mines, for example. Nowadays, the judges are sending people with drug offenses to work for large chicken farm factories without pay. They claim this work-program will reform the drug uses, because the chicken farm factories are run by religious orders who believe Jesus and hard labor will 'save' the criminals. The force labor trend is growing.

Besides that it would seem there is a serious opium problem in Nizhni Tagil as well as prostitution rings, kidnapping, enslaving and killing local girls. This is also the case in the Unites States. There is a serious Opium (fentanyl, for example) problem and child trafficking has never been greater.

Ok. That's all I got for now.

Do you live in Nizhny Tagil?
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Old 07-07-2018, 03:41 AM   #12
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Dear RDBOIS,
my nickname got a few people confused on the forum before. I'm actually not even from Russia. I just use the name for my "musical" projects because I was fascinated with the history of the city of Nizhny Tagil. Also, I was inspired by other bands like Norilsk and CCCP Fedeli alla linea, whose music also inspired me.
I have found out about the city from the so-called Nizhny Tagil charter. It's a document procuced by a commission about the subject of industrial archaeology and cultural heritage that was based in this city, for clear reasons given its history.
I live in a heavily industrialized little town myself, so that topic has always interested me.
In fact, since you've done your research, I think you may know more about the history of this city than I do!

I don't know what your sources are, but personally I have never heard that there was a Jewish plot behind the Russian revolution of 1917, nor that it was backed by financial powers. In fact, workers' movements and struggles against national states and capitalism were diffused pretty much all over Europe (especially Germany) between the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th.
That also sounds strange because, although Marx was a Jew, there's a documented tradition of anti-semitism in early Soviet Russia at least during Stalin's stay in power. In fact, anti-semitism was well diffused all over the Western world until the II World War. Unfortunately, it seems to be diffused even nowadays to some extent.

It may be that the tape was slowed down for that song. While jamming along with it, I too noticed that the guitars sound lower than the standard tuning, so that may be the reason.

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