05-17-2020, 09:55 AM | #1 |
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Anyone using Reaper with Linux and many plugins / VST synths
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I have the impression that most of the people here are using Reaper to record Audio and that most go for low latency. Are here any people making electronic music in the broadest sense with Reaper in Linux with lot's of VSTs? Personally I'm only using VSTs available in Linux. I wonder in what problems other people run when using Reaper in such a way (e.g. Xruns, issues with Jack, Alsa, etc.).
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Here's a screenshot of that project. Only the bass, rhythm, and solo guitars are audio tracks. All of it was recorded in real time at very low latency. - |
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05-17-2020, 11:21 AM | #3 |
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Hey hey, REAPER/Bitwig here.
i7-7700K I think my safezone is at 128 blocksize with Alsa and periods 3 because Babyface Pro is through USB and 3 is recommended for USB i think i've read. I am not totally scientifically sure yet but yeah, try non low latency and if 128 still give you crackles, try turn off or on hyperthreading if you have that. If i use low latency or even realtime then if the DAW is loading/searching the HD, i can get resonant baud modem sounds in my ear, aka, "crackles" Linux for me is still young, think i have tweaks to learn and, you can also try out Liqourix kernel that is more optimized for Desktops, someone said Linux main and Linux itself is or was, focused on servers, but i think even the main one works good enough for me now, just a tip ive seen. Bonus ideas: i'm trying to have the soundcard on the USB front panel, alone! rest can live on the back "if that helps Also i think i've read .. that Nvidia on auto power mode can be seen as a Deamon and full power should be better, where ever i read that.. but hey!
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I don't know if this is already considered big: It uses Repro-5, Repro.1 Diva, etc. These are quite CPU heavy. Nevertheless the RT load is only ~45% maximum and ~20% on average. When playing the track with 128 samples I maybe get ~5 xruns. I'm even not using any low latency or RT kernel, because I think it won't improve my situation as I'm not going for super low latency. Basically everything is working fine. When the projects are growing larger (like the one above) I'm starting to get xruns when I move the playhead in stopped transport mode. I doesn't matter, but I'm really curious why this happens. It also only happens with Jack, not with Alsa. I opened another thread here.
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The theme I use is a version of White Tie's Imperial theme, modded by Lucas to fit a single monitor and toned down to a darker hue. Here's a link. https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1747/L...Short_Dark.zip As for making neater your screenshot, I always keep collapsed all my envelope lanes, and toggle them visible only when needed with an "e", which I think is a default key for toggling. Other than that, I'm not sure what else you could do to make it look cleaner. |
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05-17-2020, 12:07 PM | #8 |
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For what it is worth, on my system and on Windows10 i did a test with Diva with some heavy patch and reached 18-19 instances i think, would not surprise me if one can get more of the Linux version, have to try that "zoonish" i only own Hive2 so far though.
What system are you on? Ps, schmajjl also check out theme, thx
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I never used Windows seriously for music. It depends a lot on which preset you use for Diva and how many notes are played, etc. When I compare Reaper to Bitwig or Renoise I can load much more into Reaper. Checked also Bitwig, but didn't buy it yet. I think I'll stay with Reaper on the long run.
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That's the playhead issue:
https://vimeo.com/419664946 In case someone stumbles over the same. When transport is on that does not happen.
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Yeah, REAPER is a keeper, not going anywhere and REAPER is a rock!
I wondered what system/CPU you are on because if you are on a little Pi gizmo, then you are doing RrrReally well. Now when you mentioned it, i've been trying out Distros like a Tarzan and out of the box, it surprised me abit that LMDE4 did.. actually give me hell in terms of crackles.. I went hey!! you are a Debian, c'mon now! *Slap!* but ofc, did not help Could be that Kernels have improved but Debian default is not so up to date, i - dunno.. Could be me also, my test/visit was not very professional fair
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"It also only happens with Jack, not with Alsa", which makes me ask the question, is there a reason to not use ALSA? I switched from using JACK shortly after Justin made a few tweaks to the ALSA code, and since ALSA is one layer closer to the physical hardware, I figured it would ultimately be more efficient, which matters even more when many clock eating plugins are being used. |
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And the second advantage is that I can focus more on the music than on youtube .
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I switched REAPER to Pulse Audio because I don't have JACK installed, but was able to record what was playing in my monitors, ending up with individual tracks that I could mix. This was the page I stumbled on. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSS...t=da&flow=grid - |
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Found it. It's on the right side.
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Cool! I love that theme and have been using it for at least a couple if not three years now. I've tried others, but I keep coming back to this one.
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KDE isn't as good as the other DEs for performance in Reaper; I'd tested it in a few distros and it always had worse performance when pushing the CPU and/or using low latency settings. KDE has a file indexer "Baloo" which will cause those issues. Disabling it is apparently a bit tricky since it re-enables itself and doesn't like being removed. I probably won't go back to KDE, but I wanted to mention this for you or anyone else using it and having issues compared to XFCE etc.
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05-18-2020, 06:59 AM | #23 |
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Getting low latency is very dependent on your system & the quality of your sound interface. I've always tried to use or build a system with the best cpu I can afford. Also although it isn't as necessary to use a specialised kernel & incorporate a lot of custom file system edits as it once was, it is great that we still have that possibility for customisation. Another thing that is a great help in linux is that there are so many desktop environments & window managers to choose from, this can really help especially with ram usage. I do like Gnome but it's a serious memory hog, & that's one of the reasons I use a WM like i3wm or awesomewm, that & the fact that a tiling wm is just superior . Xfce4 is also a great choice if you prefer a more traditional DE.
With my current system & interface (in my sig) plus the standard 5.6 kernel I can run a project with between 15 & 20 instances of kontakt & a mix of 30 to 40 or so window vsts (via linvst) & linux fx vsts at 256 samples under jack or alsa. If I'm tracking guitar I prefer 64 samples but can easily get by at 128.
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Thanks, I will have a look.
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