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03-07-2008, 07:08 PM
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Selection Cursor
This is the discussion thread for the feature request
Area Selection.
Current status of this almost decade-old request: GFY
(whether that applies to you, anyone or anything else is your choice buddy)
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This is for every editor that needs to handle small pieces of audio in a direct and
intuitive fashion.
Reaper has the following simple left-click cursor modes so far:
Items:
Upper left and right corners = fades
Clip gain handle = clip gain editing
Everywhere else = select item
Outside items:
Make time selection
I propose to add the simple, optionable cursor mode of making a time selection in to, out of or inside an item.
Left click and drag in the UPPER HALF of the track. It would look like this:
In the video I cut, paste and even make a selection to which I then paste.
The gains are simple. You select and cut audio like tape. Cut, copy, paste and delete would work with the normal cut,copy,paste and delete keys, i.e. not require special commands, which i may remind folks is a Reaper-only workaround.
This would not break Reaper in any way. It's an addition and would add to the already extensive way of handling material. This is the only way of selecting, that a lot of my fellow engineers and myself miss from Reaper.
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03-07-2008, 07:19 PM
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this would be extremely handy and a great improvement
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03-07-2008, 09:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gregh
this would be extremely handy and a great improvement
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I agree 100%!
++1 from me... an infusion of intelligence
for Reapers smart cursor!
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03-07-2008, 09:12 PM
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that looks pretty cool!
+1
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03-07-2008, 09:19 PM
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I've almost learned to live without this (alt+right drag is just too complicated and won't help with having to use special commands for copy/cut etc) but it's still quite uncomfortable...So, yes, a +1 for this!
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03-09-2008, 02:27 PM
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Bump. This is a basic editing feature that closes an important gap in the editing capabilities of Reaper.
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03-09-2008, 05:25 PM
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+1 !!!
I totally agree. This feature cannot hurt in anyway, one of the few things I'm still missing from PT... and it's a common feeling here when I'm demoing Reaper to some mates...
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03-09-2008, 07:43 PM
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+1 - i've been hunting through the forum to see if there's a way for me to set up macros to emulate this and not coming up with anything.
this is absolutely critical to the way i work (and the biggest thing that protools has that i actively miss working in reaper).
i notice that there's a TINY border between tracks that you can select in - this kinda works but it just doesn't feel as nice as that example.
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03-10-2008, 06:55 PM
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Reaper has good editing features. They do however only work around the material in this case.
The problem becomes apparent when you're not just cutting, copying and pasting the occasional items, but are performing over one or two-thousand cuts a day on dialog and effects.
Reapers has new stuff, but not the very basics of it, which is what everybody else does have. Protools people in particular are completely alienated by this lack of selection type. Reaper gets most of its basic editing from the feature set of Vegas, and that never was nor is it the pinnacle of editing. Professional dialog editing requires access to the material at the level proposed. Everyone will benefit from it.
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03-10-2008, 07:13 PM
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i'd be not against this..
..if it would be optional.
(+1..)
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03-11-2008, 02:35 PM
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Looks good even if i don't understand it fully
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03-11-2008, 02:48 PM
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Airon, massive +1! Been doing a godd deal of editing lately and I DO MISS this feature from PT.
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03-12-2008, 03:32 PM
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And a bump so you(reading this) can show your support for this idea.
Any Protools, Cubase, Nuendo, Sonar, Audacity, Ardour, Digital Performer, Logic, N-Track, Soundminer, Netmix and 2-track sample editor user misses this.
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03-13-2008, 11:00 AM
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++1 (and some random text)
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03-13-2008, 11:21 AM
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+1 characters
(funny that "characters" is actually 10 characters long)
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03-13-2008, 01:59 PM
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+1 , yes, it's another step towards "the BEST DAW in the world"
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03-15-2008, 01:07 AM
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I have to add my +1 for this too.
The "Smart Tool" is one of my most missed features and is an essential function in any DAW.. whether you're doing Post work or extensive editing for Music. It's essential and it drives me batty that Reaper doesn't do it.
The funny thing is that when I first heard reaper had only one cursor mode I presumed that it was a "smart tool" like feature. I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out how to make it work and was wondering what I was doing wrong. Man.. was I frustrated to find out that it wasn't.
Again, Big +1 on this one from me.
If you made the cursor a Smart Tool that works as well as the Fade Capabilities it has then it'll be one hell of a force to be reckoned with. I love the fade functionality of Reaper. It's similar to Pro Tools... but much more advanced and much faster. But for everything else, like trimming and selecting it makes me feel like I'm trying to paint on the cave wall with a stick.
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03-18-2008, 01:51 PM
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Would anyone else like to provide details on why this cursor behavior would be a good addition to Reaper ?
Here's one from me.
Look at a cursor in a text editor or word processing application. It blinks, right?
Where is your cursor in Reaper? Right, there is one across all tracks. And on what track would that be?
Right, Reaper has no cursor on a single track, does it. The Selection Cursor would enable you to do that. Place a cursor and know not only where it is, but also on what track you'd be pasting, trimming, splitting, muting and cutting.
It seems like Reaper skipped over these tiny, yet important editing basics to become a powerhouse in everything but the basics of editing. That is what this feature request is all about. I'm asking for Reaper to have its basic feature set for editing be complete.
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03-18-2008, 04:21 PM
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Bump from me too - this is an awesome feature, very much a time saver. Samplitude also has a selectable mode such as this - very cool.
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03-19-2008, 06:49 PM
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Badabing, badabump.
Post your support if this is important to you. Remember, it won't break anything in Reaper. Don't be afraid .
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03-19-2008, 07:15 PM
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i'll add my voice again - this would be very helpful, at the moment Reaper has a lot of strengths but simple selection for editing is an area that could be improved. If a positional tool is infeasible then perhaps an Audition type solution may be helpful. In Audition one selects a part of a clip and shift+right click drags to drag+copy that selection. I think the Protools method is better, but something along the lines of the Audition method would also be an improvement
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03-20-2008, 12:15 AM
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I'll put in a vote for this feature as well. Particularly if it is implemented as described using the top half of the waveform leaving the bottom as is, then nothing is lost for those who like it now and a lot of flexibility is gained.
I think it's an excellent idea.
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03-24-2008, 01:48 AM
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Bumped. FRs are coming in hard and fast these days. Plenty of good ideas.
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03-28-2008, 10:41 PM
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+1 sdfkghjdflgdjkfg
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03-29-2008, 06:23 AM
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a full ++1, selection in the sequencer zone should not be time selection. simply selection of zone of parts, on several tracks: see me ableton live move:
LINK
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04-03-2008, 05:45 AM
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Oh puhleeeeze yes! I've FR'd this before and it wasn't taken up, so I'm delighted to see the response here. The same facility is available in Samplitude and I really miss it. In fact I still go back to SAM for quick editing of long interviews or complex compositions. It's simply too slow and cumbersome in Reaper (and was one of the reasons I eventually abandoned Tracktion). I know many experienced users will say, "Well it's only a matter of holding down the Alt key with one hand and mousing with the other" but usually my left hand is propping up my head at 2am, or holding a cup of tea or fiddling with something (allright, allright...!).
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04-03-2008, 06:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
The Selection Cursor would enable you to do that. Place a cursor and know not only where it is, but also on what track you'd be pasting, trimming, splitting, muting and cutting.
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+1 Overall, but ++1 on the above. Very cool idea.
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04-03-2008, 08:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silicon/Silicium
a full ++1, selection in the sequencer zone should not be time selection. simply selection of zone of parts, on several tracks: see me ableton live move:
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I can emulate the behaviour in your video exactly.
hold alt+Right-click drag = time selection + touched items only then, ctrl+Left click drag = the copy in your video. Granted we have more left-hand keyboard action then needed, but the functionality is there and driving feels good
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still a ++1 for OP FR
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04-03-2008, 12:41 PM
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+1
ok
I tried and could do 95% of what is in the video
1. select silent part and delete it
"basic time selection" + "CTRL Delete"
then drag the part next to the other - done
2. cut the last portion of 1st segment
"basic time selection" + "CTRL Delete" - done
3. paste the cutted piece after the 2nd part
just click to set the cursor where you want and "CTRL V" - done
4. now comes the not possible part
paste the cutted piece and overwrite selected portion
in 1st part - FAILED
Reaper can paste it over but won´t overwrite it, it just paste it on top instead of replacing the selected area with the cutted piece
In Corel Draw, you can duplicate any item by just draggin it and than, before you release the left button, click and hold the right button too, so when you release both, you got a clone. It´s very very useful, you can duplicate things with just one hand. Things like that can greatly speed up the workflow.
I like CTRL DRAG for duplicate. It´s default in Adobe Photoshop - which has great combos for handling objects and I think the developers could learn a lot from these graphic programs.
Imagine using a Bezier tool to draw envelopes?
you can do very smooth curves with few clicks
which is not very easy to do using just dots
but this is not essential, would just be very elite :P
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04-03-2008, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallisman
I can emulate the behaviour in your video exactly.
hold alt+Right-click drag = time selection + touched items only then, ctrl+Left click drag = the copy in your video. Granted we have more left-hand keyboard action then needed, but the functionality is there and driving feels good
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In Protools, and the idea presented here, it's
Left click, drag, release (either hand)
as opposed to
ALT(one hand) + right-click, drag, release (other hand)
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right-click drag to mark the items
That doesn't even account for seperate commands for copying, cutting or deleting selections made here. The standard cut/copy/paste commands only work on complete items.
Multiply travel of hands(shortest way is always the best),
by counterintuitive use of a right-click mouse button
(it's a context sensitive menu everywhere else and only ever selects items in Reaper otherwise),
by complete lack of visual cue of selected space localized to one or more tracks,
adding that any professional ever expects a better way from any DAW out there,
and you've got a losing proposition by restricting editing to cool ways that really just seem to have bypassed tried and tested methods.
You'd be faster splitting the material and then handling it. Editing 101 in that an expert, of which there are several, will gladly tell you that nobody is going to edit anything post related with candy methods that miss the basics. You don't get to bypass the wheel, you need to make that too.
And with regard to editing professionals, us post editing folks do the most editing out there. Those that think editing a couple of hundred snare hits, or refitting vocals to sync to a song is a lot of work, dialog and effect editors have much more to do, and thus we are very interested in keeping editing intuitive, fast and precise. This will benefit everyone, not just us post production editors.
Keep it coming. Let's have the wheel too.
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04-03-2008, 03:48 PM
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Airon! Not your video sillybilly!
i meant this video: http://wellatribe.free.fr/temp/selections.swf
posted by Silicon/Silicium.
but for the record the [alt] part of the alt+r-click drag tags the items. IIRC.
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04-03-2008, 03:58 PM
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To agree with Airon....
Yeah.. all that modifier crap just to edit a piece of audio is BS. I don't have enough time in my day to do that thousands of times when posting a session.
If I'm pressing modifier keys it's to do additional functions well beyond standard editing features that could and should be easier to perform in any DAW that's supposed to be operating on a professional scale.
I'm going to +1 this thread again because this is a sorely needed FR.
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04-03-2008, 04:03 PM
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bezier example
here´s a very simple bezier generated curve
thiw was done with just 3 clicks and some draggin
you can do it in 2 seconds
may be cool to have this in Reaper, who knows
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04-03-2008, 04:08 PM
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That would be cool.. but that's more of a FR for having advanced automation envelope or fade editing capabilities.
To add to that, I'd like to be able to create and store custom fade presets that we can apply to a region in an advanced editing window (kind of like a pop up internal editor).
I'll create a new FR for this though.
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04-03-2008, 04:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallisman
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I know Tallis.
The selection method in the video is very similar, so in effect I think Reaper is inferior at that level, but superior in most other levels of editing, but shucky darn, we need that damn level of editing to stand on before we want to fucking fly.
Pardon my language. It means a lot to me to have Reaper be taken seriously in post production.
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04-03-2008, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitana_One
To agree with Airon....
Yeah.. all that modifier crap just to edit a piece of audio is BS. I don't have enough time in my day to do that thousands of times when posting a session.
If I'm pressing modifier keys it's to do additional functions well beyond standard editing features that could and should be easier to perform in any DAW that's supposed to be operating on a professional scale.
I'm going to +1 this thread again because this is a sorely needed FR.
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Well put.
Anyone cutting snares, moving around bits and pieces?
Try constructing snare tails, replacing syllables in vocals, tayloring bass notes, shifting string sections,
on a 120 minute song. THAT's editing as we do it. Starship Troopers didn't have up to 1000 tracks playing for nothing.
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04-03-2008, 05:02 PM
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It would make a huge difference to me - I don't work in post production but can compose pieces using thousands of edits. At the moment this is very cumbersome in Reaper
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04-03-2008, 06:14 PM
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Oh yes ++1. It would make sooo much difference to workflow. Really like this.
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04-03-2008, 09:20 PM
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Quote:
hold alt+Right-click drag = time selection + touched items only then, ctrl+Left click drag = the copy in your video
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I know that, I was among those who requested these feature, but it's still a pain compared to live: GUI feedback is strange: complete timerange is highlighted, complete parts also, you have to be sure what you have selected or not. And it takes more time and clicks than doing the same with Live. I still can't understand why the ranged selection is so predominnant. In my main editing workflow, it's almost just a pain, I rarely need to select ALL part in a timerange, and in that case, I ll be glad to select a timerange in the ruler instead of setting it from all the sequencer zones. No other daw or sequencer work like that, I don't say Reaper has to be "one more", but I have to say it was really easier to select/copy/paste in my previous life with other sequencers.
--btw: any trick for unselecting zone (esc) without killing loop points??
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04-04-2008, 05:24 AM
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A big + for this feature - one of the things I love about Pro tools
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