Oooh, I forgot to click Auto Map Sends in the CSI config!!!
Soo, how can I try your FX mappings then? Auto Map FX or Auto Map Focused FX don't seem to do the trick?
Saw this post after answering the previous
All of this should work without any auto mapping.
Toggling sends or focus FX calls up these functions.
If you use the IconNano2.0 .zon, you toggle sends by pressing Send button.
The send menu of the selected track should open and, in the rotary version send 1-8 volume is controlled by rotary1-8 respectively. Shift+rotary1-8 is respective SendPan.
The regular version uses the fader for controlling send volumes. Switch through sends 1-8 using the channel left right keys
For use of the FX zones, I recommend only one version of a plugin.zon in a zone folder otherwise there may be issues between .zones
Again if IconNano2.0 is used, press the Plugin button.
FX Menu opens and FX are focused.
Select a Plugin by mouse (or circle switching through using Pan button) and if a multichannel FX is in the zone folder, e.g. ReaEQX, the surface will show Frequency1 on the scribble screen.
You may switch between frequency bands 1-8 (if there are 8 bands available) using the channel left right keys.
Controll frequency by Fader, gain with Shift+Fader and bandwith by Option+Fader.
Leave by selecting another Plug from the list or pressing Plugin again.
Both Eucon and OSC iPad Lemur surface came online. But strangely the iPad OSC received channels 1-8, and the S3 got channels 9 onwards. Checked the CSI prefs, and EuCon was listed above the OSC module.
Uggh, that's a nasty one. CSI just allocates everything in order EXCEPT for EuCon, it's done on a handshake basis, and is often deferred a bit, thus the behaviour you see.
Have to ponder that one a bit...
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc
- When I exited out of the prefs pane, Reaper Crashed. Here is the crash report. Looks like something related to a pre-allocated UDP port or a naughty CHAR string?
Naw, just stupid programmer error
Fixed in next build.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
But, exiting Reaper does not de-initialize (is that a word) the surface. Faders just stay where they last were instead of returning to minimum.
EDIT:
But sometimes it works.
Try the latest build, there is a possible fix...
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Further to the issues with "TrackTouch" messages not being respected.
Here are two envelopes.
1. Track in "Touch" automation mode. Fader on iPad sending Touch and Volume messages. (CSI Console shows both of these messages arriving as intended. You can see that the resulting envelope keeps wanting to return to -0dB.
Hmmm...
Works fine here on the Artist Mix, what happens with the S3 ?
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Various Pan bugs fixed -- make sure to get the new EuCon.zon file if you want PanL and PanR to actually work
Possbile fix for incomplete shutdown.
Sends (Auxes) working:
Rotary -- Volume
Bottom Switch -- Mute
Top Switch -- Pre/Post -- note there is a bug in the Reaper Sends Window, close and open and your Pre/Post choice will show.
New Actions - TrackPanLPercent and TrackPanRPercent.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Here's a quick "issue" (if we can call it an issue): Pan width only goes to mono on the EuCon surface. Reaper itself goes all the way to negative stereo and flips the channels once you hit negative numbers.
EuCon still not returning to zero consistently on close (faders zero out on open though).
Also, any chance of just adding these two lines to the Eucon.zon going forward? Would seems like it'd be a nice feature to have right out of the box and would save me the step of adding it back in every time there's a Eucon update.
Code:
Option+Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Option+Select| Reaper 41665 //Mixer: Show/hide children of selected tracks
Here's a quick "issue" (if we can call it an issue): Pan width only goes to mono on the EuCon surface. Reaper itself goes all the way to negative stereo and flips the channels once you hit negative numbers.
That's a tricky one..
In the original EuCon support we added a switch to flip, but I think it was more confusing than useful.
Current thinking is, reverse width is so infrequently used that it's not worth agonizing over, just use the mouse on those rare occasions
What do you think ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
EuCon still not returning to zero consistently on close (faders zero out on open though).
Thank for testing, will keep trying...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Also, any chance of just adding these two lines to the Eucon.zon going forward? Would seems like it'd be a nice feature to have right out of the box and would save me the step of adding it back in every time there's a Eucon update.
Code:
Option+Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Option+Select| Reaper 41665 //Mixer: Show/hide children of selected tracks
Done.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
It probably doesn't matter, but I've got my Artist Mix configured for 32 channels. I figured a typical completed project is in the mid 20's in terms of track counts so left a few extras. If you can't reproduce on your Artist Mix running 16 channels, maybe try with a higher count.
It probably doesn't matter, but I've got my Artist Mix configured for 32 channels. I figured a typical completed project is in the mid 20's in terms of track counts so left a few extras. If you can't reproduce on your Artist Mix running 16 channels, maybe try with a higher count.
Tried it with 72 Channels, no difference, still works fine.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Thanks everyone for all the testing effort, discussion, wiki upkeep, .mst/.ost/.zon file contributions, support, troubleshooting, and everything else, things are really coming along
Ok, now remind me what, other than the GUI, is left to do to get to version 1.0 ?
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Thanks everyone for all the testing effort, discussion, wiki upkeep, .mst/.ost/.zon file contributions, support, troubleshooting, and everything else, things are really coming along
Thanks to you Geoff! As a newcomer to CSI, it has been instrumental in my decision (almost) to migrate all my workflows over to Reaper.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Ok, now remind me what, other than the GUI, is left to do to get to version 1.0 ?
Seems great, just one oddity or is just a feature I don't understand :-)
Here on the S3, in Stereo Balance Mode, works as expected. Pan, Width control their respective Reaper parameters, and I can see the there are PanLeft and PanRight as well. These control those parameters (but of course if the Track is set to Stereo Balance Mode, these don't have any effect on the audio, but they do update the Pan Pots in the Track Panning block.
When I switch the Track to Dual Pan, the S3 has a small bug in that the knobs labelled Pan and Width now control the PanLeft and PanRight parameters, and the PanLeft and PanRight knobs control their respective parameters.
Thanks everyone for all the testing effort, discussion, wiki upkeep, .mst/.ost/.zon file contributions, support, troubleshooting, and everything else, things are really coming along
Ok, now remind me what, other than the GUI, is left to do to get to version 1.0 ?
Thanks for you all your work on this Geoff. Can't imagine how much went into it! In terms of things I can remember being recently discussed or just may still require some refinement...
I think some of us are hoping for a GlobalFXNavigator to create a hardwired map for things like monitor FX. Examples: the A/B button of Metric AB or the bypass of Sonarworks Reference. EDIT: thinking of my own needs, maybe just a "MonitorFXNavigator" for controlling monitor FX, if that makes it easier.
Is EuCon assignment otherwise complete? Like, the left hand column of buttons on Artist Mix (Group/Aux, Dyn/EQ, Input/Inserts, Flip Chan) for example? For instance, I can't seem to select inserts from the Artist Mix yet (thinking the FX Menu approach), and as pointed out by TDC, the meters aren't implemented in EuCon.
On the subject of EuCon meters, I also recall recently the QComProXMasterVUMeter was giving someone trouble and may have needed some work. Not sure if that was resolved.
Not sure if Encoder Acceleration still needs to go to the other encoder types, but I think that was on the to-do list.
A big one for me: FocusedFXParam can be a bit buggy. Sometimes losing focus when switching or closing plugins, or even getting confused about which instance to control if you have two instances of the same plugin on one track.
This one doesn't bother me at all but someone recently mentioned they expected cycling through the BPM Timebase button on Mackie would cycle the timebase in Reaper, which I believe they said the Klinke approach does.
Oh, and of course expanding the list of included surface mst/zon files.
Tried it with 72 Channels, no difference, still works fine.
Ok, so wasn't the track count. Just to add some further details, here's what I'm seeing:
When it works - Faders 1-3 minimize together simultaneously, then faders 4-8 minimize simultaneously as a second group with about a second or two between the first and second groups.
When it doesn't work - Faders 1-3 minimize together simultaneously. Faders 4-8 stay where they were.
When I open a blank Reaper project...any non minimized faders jump to minimum.
Edit: further testing today on this, its interesting as when I touch and release the fader without moving it enough to send a volume value, I do see the expected messages in CSI console. So it seems like its getting from S3 to CSI-land.
Code:
IN <- EuCon FaderTouch1 1.000000
IN <- EuCon FaderTouch1 0.000000
Thanks everyone for all the testing effort, discussion, wiki upkeep, .mst/.ost/.zon file contributions, support, troubleshooting, and everything else, things are really coming along
Ok, now remind me what, other than the GUI, is left to do to get to version 1.0 ?
Master meter Qcon pro X ?? Would love to have that. And thanks for all yours help geoff and everyone
I thought it might be helpful to share my docs that I have been keeping for my own development needs in getting this all working for the studio.
Blue shows what CSI is currently supporting on the devices. Green shows what the EuControl.app supports and allows for mapping to Reaper Actions, all thousands of them. This is a seriously great function. Red shows what my wishes for the V1 would be.
S3 - Wishes
- Meters.
- Rec Buttons (once implemented, I would assign these to stepping through the automation modes).
- Modifiers.
- The Compressor Button, to trigger the FX Panel.
I suspect that the top row of encoders would be way too much to consider for this first version.
Avid Transport
This is such an amazing device, that is built like a tank and gives the impression you are driving a Euphonix S5. Almost all of the functions current work within EuCon, so the only wish is to be able to display the Transport Time on the OLED.
Doing some test mixes on the S3 to see how this all works in practise and noticed that the Panning isn't behaving properly in Touch Mode. Seems that the TrackTouch Message isn't being sent to the Track in Reaper, so you get the familiar jagged envelope.
Interesting, on the S3, when I touch the fader I can see the OLED display change to the Pan Value, and also in Reaper in the CSI Console I see the appropriate message.
Code:
IN <- EuCon Pan_RotaryTouch1 1.000000
IN <- EuCon Pan_RotaryTouch1 0.000000
It seems when I put a channel into Touch Mode, and then do a pass with the EuCon surface, the Pan automation lane is also touched and thus enters TouchWrite and starts to overwrite the Pan envelope at the value the pan pot is at.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Seems great, just one oddity or is just a feature I don't understand :-)
Here on the S3, in Stereo Balance Mode, works as expected. Pan, Width control their respective Reaper parameters, and I can see the there are PanLeft and PanRight as well. These control those parameters (but of course if the Track is set to Stereo Balance Mode, these don't have any effect on the audio, but they do update the Pan Pots in the Track Panning block.
When I switch the Track to Dual Pan, the S3 has a small bug in that the knobs labelled Pan and Width now control the PanLeft and PanRight parameters, and the PanLeft and PanRight knobs control their respective parameters.
Yup, noted as bug.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
I think some of us are hoping for a GlobalFXNavigator to create a hardwired map for things like monitor FX. Examples: the A/B button of Metric AB or the bypass of Sonarworks Reference. EDIT: thinking of my own needs, maybe just a "MonitorFXNavigator" for controlling monitor FX, if that makes it easier.
Is this just an FX Zone with a MasterTrackNavigator ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Is EuCon assignment otherwise complete? Like, the left hand column of buttons on Artist Mix (Group/Aux, Dyn/EQ, Input/Inserts, Flip Chan) for example? For instance, I can't seem to select inserts from the Artist Mix yet (thinking the FX Menu approach), and as pointed out by TDC, the meters aren't implemented in EuCon.
Nowhere near complete
This will be an ongoing endeavour, adding meters to what we currently have is likely about as far as we will get for version 1.0.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
On the subject of EuCon meters, I also recall recently the QComProXMasterVUMeter was giving someone trouble and may have needed some work. Not sure if that was resolved.
Noted.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Not sure if Encoder Acceleration still needs to go to the other encoder types, but I think that was on the to-do list.
Should EncoderPlain be more than Plain ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
A big one for me: FocusedFXParam can be a bit buggy. Sometimes losing focus when switching or closing plugins, or even getting confused about which instance to control if you have two instances of the same plugin on one track.
Yeah, ongoing battle to get a consistent way of determining in/out of focus...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
This one doesn't bother me at all but someone recently mentioned they expected cycling through the BPM Timebase button on Mackie would cycle the timebase in Reaper, which I believe they said the Klinke approach does.
Will look into it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Oh, and of course expanding the list of included surface mst/zon files.
The more the merrier !!
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Edit: further testing today on this, its interesting as when I touch and release the fader without moving it enough to send a volume value, I do see the expected messages in CSI console. So it seems like its getting from S3 to CSI-land.
Code:
IN <- EuCon FaderTouch1 1.000000
IN <- EuCon FaderTouch1 0.000000
I don't use automation much, so someone else may chime in, but that looks like the correct behaviour for Touch -- when you release the Fader the envelope goes to the current value at the timeline position...
At least it is consistent with what I see here, maybe the implementation is wrong
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Master meter Qcon pro X ?? Would love to have that. And thanks for all yours help geoff and everyone
Noted.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
- Modifiers.
- The Compressor Button, to trigger the FX Panel.
If those buttons are anything like the Mix units, modifiers and those left hand clusters are all internal and not exposed to the outside world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc
I suspect that the top row of encoders would be way too much to consider for this first version.
Perhaps there is a slight hope
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc
Avid Transport
This is such an amazing device, that is built like a tank and gives the impression you are driving a Euphonix S5.
I know, there is one sitting in front of me right now
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc
[B]Almost all of the functions current work within EuCon, so the only wish is to be able to display the Transport Time on the OLED.
On the to do list.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Doing some test mixes on the S3 to see how this all works in practise and noticed that the Panning isn't behaving properly in Touch Mode. Seems that the TrackTouch Message isn't being sent to the Track in Reaper, so you get the familiar jagged envelope.
Interesting, on the S3, when I touch the fader I can see the OLED display change to the Pan Value, and also in Reaper in the CSI Console I see the appropriate message.
Code:
IN <- EuCon Pan_RotaryTouch1 1.000000
IN <- EuCon Pan_RotaryTouch1 0.000000
Yes, EuCon.zon is incomplete, add this and see what happens:
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
It seems when I put a channel into Touch Mode, and then do a pass with the EuCon surface, the Pan automation lane is also touched and thus enters TouchWrite and starts to overwrite the Pan envelope at the value the pan pot is at.
Do you have the Pan envelope armed ?
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
I don't use automation much, so someone else may chime in, but that looks like the correct behaviour for Touch -- when you release the Fader the envelope goes to the current value at the timeline position...
At least it is consistent with what I see here, maybe the implementation is wrong
Hi Geoff, Perhaps I haven't illustrated the bug properly, as this is far from proper behaviour.
The issue I am trying to highlight only happens on this CSI EuCon implementation, the CSI OSC module works as it should.
Is there anything I can do to assist in understanding the issue?
Hi Geoff, Perhaps I haven't illustrated the bug properly, as this is far from proper behaviour.
The issue I am trying to highlight only happens on this CSI EuCon implementation, the CSI OSC module works as it should.
Is there anything I can do to assist in understanding the issue?
Obviously I'm completely missing this, let's try another approach.
Could you please make a short video of the correct CSI OSC behaviour so my feeble mind can compare the two ?
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
At first this did not work, and I thought all was lost as it didn't appear in the CSI Console, but then I recalled I had set a preference in EuControl years ago to toggle this button press to a different action (Automation Mode toggle). Setting this back to Rec Enable resulted in this button appearing in your CSI Console
Code:
IN <- EuCon RecordArm1 1.000000
However, the automation mode is not being stepped through and set. Lots of testing with the syntax suggests the messaging is working, as I can set etc RecordArm button press to trigger other messages like Select and Mute. If I change the Action to TrackAutoMode "4" then I can set the track to Latch. Seems the syntax of the Toggle Array is wrong perhaps ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
If those buttons are anything like the Mix units, modifiers and those left hand clusters are all internal and not exposed to the outside world.
Yes, I suspect so sadly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Originally Posted by tdc View Post
Avid Transport
This is such an amazing device, that is built like a tank and gives the impression you are driving a Euphonix S5.
I know, there is one sitting in front of me right now
Ahh the good old days! No one makes leather arm rests like that anymore. ;-) (Is yours the Phat knobs? With EuCon support?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Originally Posted by tdc View Post
[B]Almost all of the functions current work within EuCon, so the only wish is to be able to display the Transport Time on the OLED.
- From Geoff: On the to do list.
Superb!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Pan_RotaryTouch| TrackTouch
Sorry to report, Pan and Fader touches still seem to be affecting each other.
Again this is a EuCon thing as in CSI-OSC it behaves properly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Do you have the Pan envelope armed ?
Yes, its armed, but when a fader on a Eucon surface is touched, the pan knob responds like it has been touched, and the same is true if I touch a Pan knob the Fader thinks its been touched.
Obviously I'm completely missing this, let's try another approach.
Could you please make a short video of the correct CSI OSC behaviour so my feeble mind can compare the two ?
Completely understand, its challenging to illustrate in words, so I made you a video this morning ;-) Back in Post #7856. Here it is again.
You can see at 0:18 when my finger comes down again to try and ride the fader a second time, the fader is at -0dB, but as soon as a touch is registered, the fader value in Reaper jumps to the value the fader was at when my finger last lifted, as opposed to where Reaper has returned it too.
At first this did not work, and I thought all was lost as it didn't appear in the CSI Console, but then I recalled I had set a preference in EuControl years ago to toggle this button press to a different action (Automation Mode toggle). Setting this back to Rec Enable resulted in this button appearing in your CSI Console
Code:
IN <- EuCon RecordArm1 1.000000
However, the automation mode is not being stepped through and set. Lots of testing with the syntax suggests the messaging is working, as I can set etc RecordArm button press to trigger other messages like Select and Mute. If I change the Action to TrackAutoMode "4" then I can set the track to Latch. Seems the syntax of the Toggle Array is wrong perhaps ?
Yeah, didn't think that would work, nice troubleshooting !
I'll have to build a cyclable one
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc
Ahh the good old days! No one makes leather arm rests like that anymore. ;-)?
Speaking of leather armrests, made this with one piece of leather covering a sliced up yoga mat (perfect feel was 4 layers), on a wood base:
Sorry to report, Pan and Fader touches still seem to be affecting each other.
Again this is a EuCon thing as in CSI-OSC it behaves properly.
Yes, its armed, but when a fader on a Eucon surface is touched, the pan knob responds like it has been touched, and the same is true if I touch a Pan knob the Fader thinks its been touched.
Again, this is only EuCon, OSC if fine.
Got it.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Seems like Fader state isn't being updated correctly somewhere.
Finally, the cobwebs cleared, thanks
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Hey all,
I have a Slate Raven - have licences for Pro tools, Ableton and Studio One but it looks like they have no plans to support reaper.
I noticed that when i open Reaper, V Control recognises it and registers that it is open - so it obviously works with reaper.
Is there anything i can do to utilize my Raven with reaper?
I know the main point of the raven is that you have the slate toolbar...which only opens for the apps i have licences for.
I just thought i would ask incase anyone has any bright ideas. I don't.
Cheers
Is this just an FX Zone with a MasterTrackNavigator ?
Not quite. The Monitor FX in Reaper (where things like Metric AB or Reference would go), are actually post Master-FX. This way, any effects (like room calibration EQ) are not printed on your final mixdown. So it's a whole separate deal from the Master FX chain.
In case you're not familiar with this feature, the action is:
41882 - View: Show monitoring FX chain
So maybe we need a MonitorFXNavigator? That would cover it for my particular use-case. I think cjewellstudios was also asking for a "global FX navigator" but it may or may not have been for the same use case.
Thats too funny, as I built myself a System 5 style frame to mount my surface into, and knew I had to add the fat armrest. Like you, I used leather and Yoga Mats :-) I have seen that video a few times, but was always focusing on the exciting promise of your CSI.
PS: Just remembered that I loved the S5 faders so much, that when I bought the S3, I replaced their angular and sharp fader caps with some S5 caps. Ahhhh.
Not quite. The Monitor FX in Reaper (where things like Metric AB or Reference would go), are actually post Master-FX. This way, any effects (like room calibration EQ) are not printed on your final mixdown. So it's a whole separate deal from the Master FX chain.
In case you're not familiar with this feature, the action is:
41882 - View: Show monitoring FX chain
So maybe we need a MonitorFXNavigator? That would cover it for my particular use-case. I think cjewellstudios was also asking for a "global FX navigator" but it may or may not have been for the same use case.
Got it.
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Thats too funny, as I built myself a System 5 style frame to mount my surface into, and knew I had to add the fat armrest. Like you, I used leather and Yoga Mats :-) I have seen that video a few times, but was always focusing on the exciting promise of your CSI.
PS: Just remembered that I loved the S5 faders so much, that when I bought the S3, I replaced their angular and sharp fader caps with some S5 caps. Ahhhh.
Haha , that is too funny
Is that an ATC SCM25A I see ? -- drools
__________________
To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com