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OSX Arrow Cursor done:



...and that's in REAPER in XP.

The other cursors you see should look very familiar to the PT users here.

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Still no idea how to even use custom cursors in OS X, nothing has been said about it since they were first introduced on the Windows version :/
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Still no idea how to even use custom cursors in OS X, nothing has been said about it since they were first introduced on the Windows version :/
On Windows, you create a folder in your REAPER directory called "Cursors". Put the files named "xxx.cur" in that folder and restart REAPER. xxx can be any of the following:

arrow, actions_dd, menus_dd, dock_resize, envcp_resize, fx_dd, fx_dd_no, fx_resize, tcppane_resize, fader_v, fader_h, fader_hpan, toolbar_move, mcp_routing_dd, mcp_fx_dd, mcp_resize, tcp_routing_dd, tcp_resize, env_pencil, env_pt_move, env_pt_bez, env_seg, env_addpt, arrange_dd_tonew, arrange_dd_copy, arrange_slide, arrange_move, itemfx_dd, itemfx_dd_no, arrange_snapoffs, arrange_itemvol, arrange_leftstretch, arrange_rightstretch, arrange_dualstretch, arrange_leftresize, arrange_rightresize, arrange_dualedge, arrange_fadein, arrange_fadeout, arrange_freesize, arrange_timeitemsel, arrange_notes, arrange_ibeam, arrange_timesel, arrange_scroll, arrange_handscroll, arrange_armedaction, ruler_marker, ruler_scroll, ruler_timesel, arrange_pencil, midi_vellane_size, midi_loopend, midi_itemleft, midi_itemright, midi_vol, midi_noteedge, midi_note, midi_bg, midi_timesel, midi_regionedgemidi_loopadd, midi_marker, midi_armedaction, midi_inlinehand

This should be the same for OSX. I'm not sure if it's implemented yet though. Nonetheless, the PT cursors for REAPER Mac are almost done anyways. A bit of a head start.

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Can we?

[img]http://img576.**************/img576/2465/canwethumb.png[/img]

Yes!...we can!

(Don't ask)

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Whoa... Shane if you figure out a way I can use my Massey plugs in Reaper I will lose my mind.
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That was the first thing that came to mind here also. Is there potential for that to happen Shan?
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hahaha !! Shan !! i see ... so i can use my shitty overprized structure sampler in REAPER ??
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Uhhh... what about Rulers??? Sorry for being *special*, but a must have for me are Rulers!!! I need (yes, NEED): Bars|Beats, Mins|Secs, Tempo, Time Sig, Markers, and Samples.

PT's Score Track is not possible either, correct? Would have been nice to have Score+TAB + Lyrics...

Pls do not let me like PT more... (hehehehe!!!)
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Uhhh... what about Rulers??? Sorry for being *special*, but a must have for me are Rulers!!! I need (yes, NEED): Bars|Beats, Mins|Secs, Tempo, Time Sig, Markers, and Samples.

PT's Score Track is not possible either, correct? Would have been nice to have Score+TAB + Lyrics...

Pls do not let me like PT more... (hehehehe!!!)
Scoring's a definite no. You'd better stick to specialist apps for that, or even PT(insert scary GS smiley).

There's one grid so far and it's Bars & Beats only. There is one time ruler so far. If you'd like more, I'd be more than happy to vote for a feature request you pop in to the tracker. IF you do, please tell them exactly why you need it. It increases the chances of getting it dramatically. Specific needs get addressed more quickly, especially if it's not a huge burden to implement it.
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Oooh! Does that mean the other AIR plugins will work too?! *hoping* (I really like the AIR Talkbox and Reverb plugs)
Putting some thought to this, we definitely could, but would it really be worth it going that extra mile? There always seems to be better plug-ins out there that exist in all formats(VST/AU/RTAS), and even by some very talented independent developers who can deliver better plug-ins in my opinion. The AIR VI's seem to be the small handful that a few cant live without, though there are better ones out there.

It can be done though:

[img]http://img405.**************/img405/8271/canwethumb3.png[/img]

The concept of ReWire is being used here by making PT a "poor man's ReWire slave", even though it cant act as a slave through it's current ReWire implementation. PT is will still be needed to "host" these, but it will be idle in the back ground.

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Putting some thought to this, we definitely could, but would it really be worth it going that extra mile? There always seems to be better plug-ins out there that exist in all formats(VST/AU/RTAS), and even by some very talented independent developers who can deliver better plug-ins in my opinion. The AIR VI's seem to be the small handful that a few cant live without, though there are better ones out there.

It can be done though:

[img]http://img405.**************/img405/8271/canwethumb3.png[/img]

The concept of ReWire is being used here by making PT a "poor man's ReWire slave", even though it cant act as a slave through it's current ReWire implementation. PT is will still be needed to "host" these, but it will be idle in the back ground.

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shane, these are some pretty scary screenshots!! here in the next couple weeks i plan on jumping in this app and gotta get shorcuts ported over ASAP in order for me to have ANY hope at all. let me know if there is any aspect you need someone to focus on so i can start researching and learning. attack it like we did w hotkey
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shane, these are some pretty scary screenshots!! here in the next couple weeks i plan on jumping in this app and gotta get shorcuts ported over ASAP in order for me to have ANY hope at all. let me know if there is any aspect you need someone to focus on so i can start researching and learning. attack it like we did w hotkey
HOLY [BLEEP]!!! To see YOU here on the REAPER forum definitely says something. [img]http://*************.net/shocked-smiley-17115.gif[/img] Grab Geoffrey's PDF user guide and get familiar with creating custom actions(pg 243). Some of my own examples from years gone by, which now exist as one standard action in the action list for many of them, can be found here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=88

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=89

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=32

I just wrapped up the cursors and will probably post them tomorrow. I'll jump into wrapping up the shortcuts next. Since you're familiar with AHK you'll be pretty shocked as to how easy it is in REAPER. I'll create a tabulated list of what's been done and send them your way. We could probably wrap these up in no time then move on to the menus.

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Mr. Moses keeps parting 'em up with PT, eh?
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HOLY [BLEEP]!!! To see YOU here on the REAPER forum definitely says something. [img]http://*************.net/shocked-smiley-17115.gif[/img] Grab Geoffrey's PDF user guide and get familiar with creating custom actions(pg 243). Some of my own examples from years gone by, which now exist as one standard action in the action list for many of them, can be found here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=88

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=89

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=32

I just wrapped up the cursors and will probably post them tomorrow. I'll jump into wrapping up the shortcuts next. Since you're familiar with AHK you'll be pretty shocked as to how easy it is in REAPER. I'll create a tabulated list of what's been done and send them your way. We could probably wrap these up in no time then move on to the menus.

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using ahk for the shorcuts ehhh....that simplifies it a lot !!!!!! actually programed me another shorcut last night to pull up the change velocity window. that app never gets old!
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Mr. Moses keeps parting 'em up with PT, eh?
i cant imagine leaving pt entirely, there is just some things that continue to aggrevate the BLEEP out of me. but minus the adc, i LOVE mixing and editing in pt. tracking i dont love so much....there is ALWAYS the worry of an error coming around the corner..

we build these stupidly fast, amazing computers and we are consistently being held back by software limitations.

constant stability issues, i could never care less to see another hw buffer error or assertion error for the rest of my life.

the adc issue is just getting to be to stupid to have to worry about.

i honestly think it will be a couple years or more before pt is actual 64 bit, this ram limitation will haunt us forever.

i hate the prospect of having to learn another daw, but it seems with reaper to be getting closer and closer. if i can help this process along and be a part of it and make the transition faster, it could everybody involved. i dont have much for time right now, so starting my research and feeling stuff out, then hopefully in a couple weeks when i get caught up, i can dive in.
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using ahk for the shorcuts ehhh....that simplifies it a lot !!!!!!
Nope. It's all done natively in REAPER. No AHK used at all. Yes, the custom REAPER actions/macros are that powerful.

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Nope. It's all done natively in REAPER. No AHK used at all. Yes, the custom REAPER actions/macros are that powerful.

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damn, there is another pt gripe for the last 10 years resolved..... my bggest concern right now is what i had heard in the past about grids and bars and beats and such. if it is comparable to pt in changing grids to 16ths-32nds etc, i will be fine, i work that way most of the time. really i have lots of questions and concerns, but i will have to start digging in. scanning over the link to the guide you posted now, while tracking some guitar parts
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damn, there is another pt gripe for the last 10 years resolved..... my bggest concern right now is what i had heard in the past about grids and bars and beats and such. if it is comparable to pt in changing grids to 16ths-32nds etc, i will be fine, i work that way most of the time. really i have lots of questions and concerns, but i will have to start digging in. scanning over the link to the guide you posted now, while tracking some guitar parts
All the grid values can be accessed via key commands, even triplet values(unlike PT). You'll also be able to dust off your MX50/50 and put it to use in repro mode with sample accurate time stamping, zero latency monitoring and latency compensation. That would cost one $10,000 in an extra hardware box which can only be used with PT HD.

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All the grid values can be accessed via key commands, even triplet values(unlike PT). You also be able to dust off your MX50/50 and put it to use in repro mode with sample accurate time stamping, zero latency monitoring and latency compensation. That would cost one $10,000 in an extra hardware box which can only be used with PT HD.

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should've known..... actually that info does kick some boootay! i am gonna have to hit some negatives somewhere though, i am to much of a downer to think its all good
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Scoring's a definite no. You'd better stick to specialist apps for that, or even PT(insert scary GS smiley).
Whoa. As in, never?

Integration is where I am at now, but unfortunately NO ONE has it working properly.. probably because no one will work together. I would be fine if I could have Notion, Reaper, and Melodyne all work together as pseudo-modules in a user-constructed "composing rack."

Checked into the rulers a bit more, and it seems to simply need some refinement and the ability to add at least one more; samples are nice to have for certain edits, for example.
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Whoa. As in, never?

Integration is where I am at now, but unfortunately NO ONE has it working properly.. probably because no one will work together. I would be fine if I could have Notion, Reaper, and Melodyne all work together as pseudo-modules in a user-constructed "composing rack."
One sunshine fact is that you can define two editors(more with the SWS extension iirc) and do your scores that way. Audio and midi editor are separate pref settings.

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Checked into the rulers a bit more, and it seems to simply need some refinement and the ability to add at least one more; samples are nice to have for certain edits, for example.
Refinements have been promised by Justin, so they're aware of it and it's in the cards.
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Whoa. As in, never?
I wouldn't say "never", just no immediate ETA.

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I think Sibelius ReWired into REAPER could probably go quite far considering REAPER's powerful custom actions/screen sets etc that could put it over the top. Offline rendering also works with ReWired apps and instruments.

Here are some threads that might get the creative juices going:

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Checked into the rulers a bit more, and it seems to simply need some refinement and the ability to add at least one more; samples are nice to have for certain edits, for example.
+1. A grid value in samples would also be nice.

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should've known..... actually that info does kick some boootay! i am gonna have to hit some negatives somewhere though, i am to much of a downer to think its all good
Make the negatives feature requests. You wont have to wait 10+ years to see them come into reality. Knowing you, you'll be developing these yourself though.

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One sunshine fact is that you can define two editors(more with the SWS extension iirc) and do your scores that way. Audio and midi editor are separate pref settings.
One can also have multiple sessions open in tabs all in one session and linked. This makes for some killer session management etc:



One tab can be just MIDI tracks, another Audio and maybe another the master arrangement. Copy/Paste between these tabbed sessions is very fluid and easy. I wish I could open multiple PT sessions like this in one master PT session but that will never happen.

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So the "midi" of the Protool plugs is done in Protools, right? Or do you send midi via rewire into Protools?
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So the "midi" of the Protool plugs is done in Protools, right? Or do you send midi via rewire into Protools?
All MIDI is done in REAPER. PT is only being a host for the RTAS plug-ins. It runs minimized in the system tray.

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How do you route it? I tried this and I could not get a midi in in Protools.
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How do you route it? I tried this and I could not get a midi in in Protools.
There is more than one way to achieve a MIDI communication between REAPER and Pro Tools. ReWire, MIDI Yoke, LoopBe30 or a physical MIDI cable between two hardware I/O. I'm sure there are more.

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A wee bit of fun for today [img]http://*************.net/shocked-smiley-17115.gif[/img] :





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Hi Shan and all the other DUC guys! Stumbled upon this and have to say amazingngngng! Absolutely fantastic what is going on here.
Looking forward to trying out ReaShanTools :-)
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I think Sibelius ReWired into REAPER could probably go quite far considering REAPER's powerful custom actions/screen sets etc that could put it over the top. Offline rendering also works with ReWired apps and instruments.

Here are some threads that might get the creative juices going:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=36009

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=54697

+1. A grid value in samples would also be nice.

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Sweet! Links are great, reading thru now.

Anything involving ReWire can be great, but when it comes to managing multiple files to load... well, this is where the integration part comes in. If opening a single file opened everything properly, that would be step one. Step two? An "awareness" of what is open, all media involved, and then all saved properly. Guessing that would involve a "master app" that would do just that, since ReWire does not have "awareness" of the apps it links.
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Sweet! Links are great, reading thru now.

Anything involving ReWire can be great, but when it comes to managing multiple files to load... well, this is where the integration part comes in. If opening a single file opened everything properly, that would be step one. Step two? An "awareness" of what is open, all media involved, and then all saved properly. Guessing that would involve a "master app" that would do just that, since ReWire does not have "awareness" of the apps it links.
So, opening a REAPER session will automatically open Sibelius ReWired in slave mode(should do this already) and also open the associated Sibelius file that was used with that specific REAPER session, correct?

When I open a PT session that uses REAPER ReWire, REAPER will automatically launch and open. I then have to open the associated REAPER project file that I was using with that specific PT session manually. I think that's what you mean. This might sound like a job for a new sws extension:

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/

If I was to approach this from a scripting perspective, it could probably be done if the PT Session and REAPER project file existed in the same folder together, which I do for session management anyways. If the Sibelius file stayed in the associated REAPER project folder, this could probably be easily done. I wouldn't mind seeing this feature myself.

Maybe we can inquire sws about this.

Shane
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:20 PM   #236
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Hmmm... I do not know of ReWire opening any (slave) app and then loading the appropriate file one would have wanted *associated* with the file/session/song being opened in the host. If this is not true, then it is one step toward what I described.

Alternately, I am almost thinking it might simply be time for me to spend some of my free time getting into coding just to make a "master app" that will do what I described. The big issue I have is that I like to utilize certain aspects of Melodyne during the composing stage, and it seems to not take kindly to tempo and time sig changes without some work. Well, allowing them to be "fluid" during the composing stage- when I will change times, insert/delete measures, copy/paste, etc- is the issue I have. I thought Reaper had Elastique Pro licensed? If so, can we create something to actually utilize it?

As far as Sibelius... I have developed an irrational disgust with Avid (sorry, my keyboard does not have the symbol set to "spell" it properly ). Instead of upgrading my copy of Sibelius, I am considering buying Notion. Sibelius never sent the DVD that will install S5 on my W7x64 box, so up theirs.
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There is more than one way to achieve a MIDI communication between REAPER and Pro Tools. ReWire, MIDI Yoke, LoopBe30 or a physical MIDI cable between two hardware I/O. I'm sure there are more.

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When I create a track in Reaper I can create an midi out with Rewire Bus 1 in the i/o menue. But that midi port does not show up in Protools. Am I doing something wrong?
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Shan, how did you set the background of the SWS tracklist to black? It's white by default and I'd like to change it. Thanks.
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Shan, how did you set the background of the SWS tracklist to black? It's white by default and I'd like to change it. Thanks.
Ah...that part of the image was actually Gimped(Photoshoped). I used that as a feature request example to show sws. He mentioned it was on a future "to-do" list at some point to make the UI part more customizable. There seems to be a lot of PT users here now and some of them are developers. Getting a PT style Track List, Group List and Region List shouldn't be to difficult.

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