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08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
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What Midi Controller and why?
Just wondering what midi keyboard controller you guys are using and why?
I used to have an Axiom 61 then I traded it in for an Edirol PCR 800 that am currently using. I bought it to try and get ACT in Sonar to run right (what a waste of money that was) and while I like the board and all, I had a chance to try an Akai MPK 49 and LOVED it.
So I am sort of just polling Reaper users to see what they use and what they might think of the 3 boards I have mentioned.
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08-10-2009, 08:28 PM
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yeah, forget the axioms, i got one and it does my head in with the endless button pressing and multiple buttons for multiple tasks depending on what lights are doing what and....bah! the drivers are buggy too... it neednt be so difficult,surely. i would love one of those fresh Akai jobs...sweet. but even better how about zero latency! until that gets sorted nothing will ever beat hardware drum machine/samplers and synths!!!
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08-10-2009, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ Jetflow
Just wondering what midi keyboard controller you guys are using and why?
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I'm using a Korg because I was uncharacteristically credulous enough to believe the efftarded user reviews on Musician's Friend that said it had decent action.
It doesn't. It's atrocious, just the cheapest possible spring keys like a drugstore keyboard.
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08-11-2009, 04:00 AM
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As my mixer/control surface I use a Novation Remote Zero SL - LOVE IT! Novation products are well built and solid (check out their site to see who is using their stuff).
If you have a decent sound card then just get your hands on a Remote SL with a keyboard and you are more than likely not ever going to need another midi controller (ha ha ha, setting up to be flamed here I am sure)
Also got a Novation X-Station for midi notes and as a synth/sound module (which works great as a midi controller for VST stuff on a specific channel) but I couldn't get this to work transport buttons etc (I am too lazy to work through it all)
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08-11-2009, 04:40 AM
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I use the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88.
I just love it - wonderful feel on the weighted piano keys, and many, many configurable knobs, buttons and sliders to control VSTs. More info here:
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08-11-2009, 05:11 AM
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With Interzone all the way. I just love my Keystation Pro 88.
It's my synth(s) and mixing desk rolled into one.
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08-11-2009, 05:42 AM
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before anyone says the akai mpk let me just step in and say that it's a rotten company and doesn't respect its customers and therefor doesn't deserve your business.
i've found that unless you're a fully competent keyboard player, you can get by with a pretty cheap keyboard as long as it has good enough output resolution on its knobs/faders. i use a used/modded m-audio radium 49. i can't play keys for shit, but after using this thing for a couple years my fingers know through muscle memory what keys to skip to play in a certain key. i'd never play live but as a "note table" even a fischer price toy would get the job done.
more importantly and lesser known, i think it's incredibly useful to "link" midi controllers with software like energyXT 1.14 running standalone and interpreting all incoming midi data. using this, i am able to link 3 midi controllers (2 homemade, 1=the radium) and run MOST of the signal through my MPC1000. the rest of the signal act as REAPER EXCLUSIVE controls - controlling vertical zoom, vol/pan of selected track, and so on.
this wouldn't be possible without the routing structure i built in eXT (though i've found the plugin to be not trustworthy to use within reaper, it works great running in MINIHOST outside of reaper)
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08-11-2009, 06:19 AM
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i had an akai job for a bit...loved the action, but there were no velocity templates at the time (i.e. hard, soft, etc). the pads pretty much worked out to be useless for me insofar as actually "playing drums"...though, i guess they'd be okay for triggering samples, etc.
for me, though, portability is pretty important, and the akai is just too big. i used to use a novation remote sl25 compact with logic on my mac rig (which was SWEET), so after the akai was a no-go, i just got another novation, and will most likely not buy anything else, other than another novation with more keys for the fixed-at-home rig.
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08-11-2009, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by strunkdts
yeah, forget the axioms, i got one and it does my head in with the endless button pressing and multiple buttons for multiple tasks depending on what lights are doing what and....bah! the drivers are buggy too... it neednt be so difficult,surely. i would love one of those fresh Akai jobs...sweet. but even better how about zero latency! until that gets sorted nothing will ever beat hardware drum machine/samplers and synths!!!
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Thanks. I did not mind the Axiom so much but the detent knobs made them very hard to make a smooth cc arc. Yeah, I know what you mean. Iused to have aou,tboard gear but when I got out of music for a while I sold it all off. NOw I have an all VST studio so a good controller is a must.
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08-11-2009, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bezmotivnik
I'm using a Korg because I was uncharacteristically credulous enough to believe the efftarded user reviews on Musician's Friend that said it had decent action.
It doesn't. It's atrocious, just the cheapest possible spring keys like a drugstore keyboard.
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Ouch! The Edirol has a very nice synth action keyboard, I will give it that. I like the Edirol lot, I was just curious about the Akai mostly. Try out and Edirol and see what you think of the keys on them?
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08-11-2009, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bradleyfilms
With Interzone all the way. I just love my Keystation Pro 88.
It's my synth(s) and mixing desk rolled into one.
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I should check them out then. I am not sure about fully weighted keys for myself though, I am synth guy and semi whieghted is a nice comprimise for me. However, I will still check them out. Thanks!
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08-11-2009, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kelldammit
i had an akai job for a bit...loved the action, but there were no velocity templates at the time (i.e. hard, soft, etc). the pads pretty much worked out to be useless for me insofar as actually "playing drums"...though, i guess they'd be okay for triggering samples, etc.
for me, though, portability is pretty important, and the akai is just too big. i used to use a novation remote sl25 compact with logic on my mac rig (which was SWEET), so after the akai was a no-go, i just got another novation, and will most likely not buy anything else, other than another novation with more keys for the fixed-at-home rig.
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I love the Remote SL too but 49 keys is my minimum so I would have to get the 61...a little too much money right now.
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08-11-2009, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by nym
before anyone says the akai mpk let me just step in and say that it's a rotten company and doesn't respect its customers and therefor doesn't deserve your business.
i've found that unless you're a fully competent keyboard player, you can get by with a pretty cheap keyboard as long as it has good enough output resolution on its knobs/faders. i use a used/modded m-audio radium 49. i can't play keys for shit, but after using this thing for a couple years my fingers know through muscle memory what keys to skip to play in a certain key. i'd never play live but as a "note table" even a fischer price toy would get the job done.
more importantly and lesser known, i think it's incredibly useful to "link" midi controllers with software like energyXT 1.14 running standalone and interpreting all incoming midi data. using this, i am able to link 3 midi controllers (2 homemade, 1=the radium) and run MOST of the signal through my MPC1000. the rest of the signal act as REAPER EXCLUSIVE controls - controlling vertical zoom, vol/pan of selected track, and so on.
this wouldn't be possible without the routing structure i built in eXT (though i've found the plugin to be not trustworthy to use within reaper, it works great running in MINIHOST outside of reaper)
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Well customer support is VERY importnat to me so I wil have to think twice about the Akai. Thanks.
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08-11-2009, 07:06 AM
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Another Keystation pro keys 88 user here too.
built to last, loads of knobs, sliders, buttons. Got used to the piano action now and love it. I only use one synth most of the time, and the controls are mapped to it. Wouldn't change it.
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08-11-2009, 07:08 AM
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I personally have tried the Axiom series at a friend's place, and I'll simply say that they don't even come close to my Edirol PCR-800 in terms of the quality of the various controls.
Simply put, Axioms feel like toys.
My only beef with the PCR is the size of the pads: a bit too small.
Regards.
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08-11-2009, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mrlucmorin
I personally have tried the Axiom series at a friend's place, and I'll simply say that they don't even come close to my Edirol PCR-800 in terms of the quality of the various controls.
Simply put, Axioms feel like toys.
My only beef with the PCR is the size of the pads: a bit too small.
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Same thing with me on the pads. But overall, I really like it. Even though they are not semi weighted keys, they feel great and the whole board has a "pro" feel and look. The more I read here, the more I think I will be sticking with my Edirol.
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08-11-2009, 08:51 AM
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I have a Yamaha P120 which I really like, and then a Roland Juno-G. The action on the P120 (88 keys) is terrific, and it's almost (well, not quite) like having a Baldwin Grand in an apartment. I use it for, of course, piano and other virtual keyboard instruments, as well as for anything percussive.
I'm disappointed in the Juno-G. The LCD is flaky, and the action is on par with one of the inexpensive M-Audios or something: Plastic and toy-like. (Even worse than an Axiom, IMHO) But some of the onboard sounds are OK, and it's fine as a trigger for samples and VSTis that don't require the spring or resistance of a hammer action. I use it to trigger strings, brass, woodwinds and such.
If I get any money ever again though, I'll probably get one of those semi-weighted 61 key Novations. When I bought the Juno-G, I wanted the onboard sounds and internal sequencer to use as a sketchpad, but I don't really use it, and I should have put the money in a better quality controller per se instead.
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08-11-2009, 10:25 AM
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I'll just say that I have the Axiom 25 and I love it.
Once I figured out how to set it up (with the generous help of drybij) I've got awesome control, and it's actually fairly intuitive once it clicks.
Here's the thread if anyone's interested:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=40000
The knobs are smooth using Relative 2 mode in Reaper. Transport controls are great and customizeable, drum pads can also be used for changing screensets or other macros, I've got the knobs controlling vol, pan, track select, zoom...
Honestly I'm very happy, and the semi-weighted keys with aftertouch feel better than a lot of other more expensive controllers like Novation and Korg IMO.
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08-11-2009, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jamester
I'll just say that I have the Axiom 25 and I love it.
Once I figured out how to set it up (with the generous help of drybij) I've got awesome control, and it's actually fairly intuitive once it clicks.
Here's the thread if anyone's interested:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=40000
The knobs are smooth using Relative 2 mode in Reaper. Transport controls are great and customizeable, drum pads can also be used for changing screensets or other macros, I've got the knobs controlling vol, pan, track select, zoom...
Honestly I'm very happy, and the semi-weighted keys with aftertouch feel better than a lot of other more expensive controllers like Novation and Korg IMO.
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I know, I liked the semi weighted keys myself.I was not so happy with the knobs but I liked the pads over the Edirol's. That is why I was thinking of the Akai. I like my Edirol, don't get me wrong, but I am always interested in what others are using and how. Gives me some things to think about if I should decide to move on.
Right now I want to get the Edirol 100% working with Reaper. That way I can make a real honest decision about it. I like the keys on the Edirol for everything but pianos (electric and acoustic) and I like the overall layout. I am not so happy with the LED and complexity of the setup. But again, once you start to get into it, you can get things done.
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08-11-2009, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mrlucmorin
I personally have tried the Axiom series at a friend's place, and I'll simply say that they don't even come close to my Edirol PCR-800 in terms of the quality of the various controls.
Simply put, Axioms feel like toys.
My only beef with the PCR is the size of the pads: a bit too small.
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Have you gotten the transport buttons working with Reaper?
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08-11-2009, 03:07 PM
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Another Axiom 61 here. No complaints yet...
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08-11-2009, 04:13 PM
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Have you gotten the transport buttons working with Reaper?
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Actually, I use my BCR2000 for that, but I don't suppose there would be any problem using the transport buttons on the PCR. You can simply assign them from the Actions menu.
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08-11-2009, 04:42 PM
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M-audio Oxygen 49
I've been using the Oxygen 49 for a couple of months now. All good for my meager purposes.
As a lousy keyboard hacking guitarist, I find the transport integration with Reaper and the ability to link to whatever parameters in a soft synth is just a blast. I prefer the tactile touchy feely movement of a fader or knob over a mouse movement any day.
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09-12-2009, 04:19 AM
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edirol pcr here
Hi all,
I just purchased the axiom61 and i found a few things that were not as i expected.
1. some keys were much more sensitive than others in touch.
2. all the keys stick if they have not been played for a while.
it is ok if you mean to hit them slighlty hard, but if you try to play with gentle grace it will drive you up the wall.
Just lightly touch a key on your axiom after it has been left idle for a while and you will see what I mean. I would love to know if anybody does not have this problem.
I took it back to the shop and every axiom there had the problem , even the pro version. It is design flaw. Some will live with it. I swapped it for an edirol pcr800 plus a small bit of cash and there is no comparison.
I now have a controller that has a proper manual with software that makes some sence and an excellent synth action.
If the key problem was not there the axiom would be good value.
I depends on wether the limitation affects your style but it my case it was preventing me from developing one of them.
I contacted m-audio....nothing
my comparision between axion and edirol
Its like using sonar...then switching to reaper
I make more controllable noise now, easier
All I need now is talent!
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09-12-2009, 04:40 AM
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I've got a Korg Kontrol49 and I really like it alot. Hey but what do I know, I'm a guitar player. I've had this controller for a couple of years and its been great, no problems at all. Nice 'synth action' keyboard and its highly *tweakable*, lotsa knobs and sliders.
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09-12-2009, 08:15 AM
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Have you gotten the transport buttons working with Reaper?
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The axiom is actually very easy to setup in Reaper IMHO. For transport functionality, just pull up the actions list, choose the action such as Play, click Add, press the Play button on the Axiom and your done. Repeat for the other five keys and you have a working transport in 5 minutes. No additional software needed.
For the sliders and knobs you just need to assign them to use cc 147 then the chosen note number. If you want to use the sliders/knobs to control a plugin use the parameter learn function, if you want to control things like track pan/volume use the same procedure as you did for the transport controls. The relative and absolute settings are important to get the knobs/sliders to move smoothly etc. The other thing you'll want to do is spend a couple minutes with the manual and tweak the acceleration curve, pad curve and velocity curve to your playing style and it will react much better to your playing..
There is no need for the Enigma software except you can perform some of the above from the software which removes the aggravation of only using the buttons on the Axiom to configure this. I think preset #17 already has the cc147 setting which also saves time. Be sure to save your preset as you go so you don't lose any work. If I have time maybe I'll get a few more specific instructions out to everyone (or just ask a question and I'll try to answer it) but it really is a piece of cake. Here is my basic setup I am using now:
Slider 9: Reaper Master Volume
Slider 1: Selected Track(s) Volume
Slider 2: Selected Track(s) Pan
Zone Btn 1: Go to Previous Track
Zone Btn 2: Go to Next Track
Zone Btn 3: Solo Selected Track(s)
Zone Btn 4: Mute Selected Track(s)
Button 9: Mute Master
Rotary buttons have been configured via parameter learn to operate ReaComp controls, Voxengo Gliss EQ & Elephant, ReaDelay and a few other plugs. I have it set so the rotary controls are only activated when said plugin has focus. I still have 6 sliders and 4 buttons I haven't even used yet. I also use the USB connection for MIDI as it has near zero latency compared to going through the MIDI interface.
As far as the quality of the Axiom, I think it is just fine. It's much better than my piece of crap 49 Key Roland PC-200 MkII but not as nice as my wooden/weighted 88 Key Fatar SL-880. I agree with the other poster concerning AKAI... They didn't do customers right a few years ago concerning a known pad defect IIRC so I pass right by any product of theirs I see.
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Slider 9: Reaper Master Volume
Slider 1: Selected Track(s) Volume
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Hey Karbo - I'm quite happy with my Axiom 49 as well. Have you found a way to set it up with Reaper so the sliders don't cause parameter jumping? I'm hoping that Reaper v3.1x has some wonderful new feature to cause it to ignore the parameter until it matches the current setting. I'll start a new thread...
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09-12-2009, 08:52 AM
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Hey Karbo - I'm quite happy with my Axiom 49 as well. Have you found a way to set it up with Reaper so the sliders don't cause parameter jumping? I'm hoping that Reaper v3.1x has some wonderful new feature to cause it to ignore the parameter until it matches the current setting. I'll start a new thread...
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Use the Null button on the the Axiom. It is supposed to solve this issue by not passing the control signal until the slider value matches the value in reaper. There is a parameter jumping section (p.17) in the manual if I remember correctly.
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Thanks Karbo - I saw the 'null' feature, but I was hoping that Reaper had the feature rather than the controller because having the last setting in the controller only preserves the setting for the current mixing session / song, right? And the controller only has ten memories?
I'd like Reaper to discriminate what to accept and what to reject, since that would work across sessions and for any number of settings.
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09-12-2009, 09:01 AM
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Thanks Karbo - I saw the 'null' feature, but I was hoping that Reaper had the feature rather than the controller because having the last setting in the controller only preserves the setting for the current mixing session / song, right? And the controller only has ten memories?
I'd like Reaper to discriminate what to accept and what to reject, since that would work across sessions and for any number of settings.
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I actually don't know, need to test. I suppose the Axiom wouldn't know what the value is in Reaper so it may not be a solution after all..
EDIT: Just tested and I think you are correct sir... Would be a handy setting in Reaper to ignore the controller value until the controller matched the Reaper value.
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09-13-2009, 07:10 AM
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The axiom is actually very easy to setup in Reaper IMHO. For transport functionality, just pull up the actions list, choose the action such as Play, click Add, press the Play button on the Axiom and your done. Repeat for the other five keys and you have a working transport in 5 minutes. No additional software needed.
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Yeah, I found that out myself with the PCR 800. Using the Actions list was a dream and I setup the trans as well as a bunch of other features.
Thanks for the tip!
I have decided to keep my Edirol for a little while longer though. Wife and I went window shopping and I tried out a Novation Remote SL, a CME (i think that was the name) along with an Edirol; the PCR felt as good as the Novation and WAY better than the CME. I have gotten all my MIDI user maps set up (I am using midi cc instead of the automation in Reaper) and the Edirol is actually easy to setup once you work with it a little bit.
I really liked the Axiom when I had it but when I tried it out again at the store (same time as the Novation and CME), I have to say I prefer the firm, fast non weighted keys with the Edirol, now that I have used them again for a while. It is not so good for piano parts, the Axiom's semi weighted keys were good for that.
So I guess what I thought I missed the most from the Axiom (the semi weighted keys), I do not miss at all!
Got a chance to look at the Akai as well and I saw one thing I did not like. The control knobs were right above the sliders so if you have a slider set low and reach for a knob, you could snag the slider and move it if you had a cuffed shirt or bracelet on. From the way it was set up (on the top rack) at the store, you could easily do that..like who puts sliders under the knobs??!!?! Yeah the Remote SL does but they have a set of knobs below the sldiers as well. The Akai's keys felt great though, one of the best semi weighted keys I have played, IMO better than the Axiom.
I like the layout of the Edirol (very similar to the Axiom) better , the knobs and sliders in seperate areas for easier access.
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09-17-2009, 03:00 AM
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weighted or not
Jetflow, you bring up something that I find interesting.
I have been playing keyboard for 12 months..still a baby. But my first 12 months was with a weighted hammer action which i liked a lot as it felt very good, like a real piano!
I found that my fingers would get sore and I had difficulty with drums and fast runs so I wound up with and edirol pcr 800 because of the contriller features . I now find that i am playing better and have much more scope with these plastic keys. My fingers are less stressed by a long way.
I would like to hear from more experienced players about this as I just sold my weighted hammer keyboard to a good friend who is just beginning.
Have I disadvantaged my self in the long run or are piano actions really over rated and limiting in a broad sence?
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09-17-2009, 03:21 AM
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I use the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88.
I just love it - wonderful feel on the weighted piano keys, and many, many configurable knobs, buttons and sliders to control VSTs. More info here:
M-Audio site
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100% on that - just wish I could play the f*cker
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i use to have an axiom 25 and it was great but decided to get a mpk49 and love it so far. just need to break in the pads.
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M-Audio Oxygen 8 v2 because I just needed something... anything to allow me to do midi stuff, which I pretty much never do. I just play around with the cool sounds.
Anyway, it's a 25 velocity sensitive key unit with assignable things and turnable stuff and a couple wheelie things that make sounds go swwwoooooop and bwwwwooooooowowwwww and whhheeeeeeeee.
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11-30-2009, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
The axiom is actually very easy to setup in Reaper IMHO. For transport functionality, just pull up the actions list, choose the action such as Play, click Add, press the Play button on the Axiom and your done. Repeat for the other five keys and you have a working transport in 5 minutes. No additional software needed.
For the sliders and knobs you just need to assign them to use cc 147 then the chosen note number. If you want to use the sliders/knobs to control a plugin use the parameter learn function, if you want to control things like track pan/volume use the same procedure as you did for the transport controls. The relative and absolute settings are important to get the knobs/sliders to move smoothly etc. The other thing you'll want to do is spend a couple minutes with the manual and tweak the acceleration curve, pad curve and velocity curve to your playing style and it will react much better to your playing..
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Karbo
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I just got the Axiom Pro 49 and I love the Hypercontrol (with Live). However, and I'm not the most MIDI able guy in the world, it has not been as simple to set up as described above (e.g., going to the actions list, etc., etc). First of all the action list is lengthy and finding the action I want is a pain. And then I choose it, push the button on the Axiom and . . . nothing happens!
What patch are you all loading on the Axiom that does this so easily? I have enabled the Axiom Pro in Reaper (with control also) and nothing happens no matter what patch. This is with ANY slider, encoder, transport button, etc.
The Axiom is working perfectly with Live so I don't believe it to be faulty. I've read the Axiom manual (several times) and I've looked through many of the other Axiom threads here and it all appears to be so effortless for folks. Does someone have a keymap for Reaper and the Axiom Pro that will just work?
AHHHHHHHHHHH!
Michael (certified MIDIot)
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08-16-2010, 09:46 AM
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Hey Karbo,
I was wondering if you could explain how to set up certain controls on the Axiom Pro to have multiple 'pages'. For example, say I want to have the rotary knobs control panning on tracks. Well that's easy enough for the first 8 tracks.. but what if I want to control panning for 9-16 or 17-24?How would I go about that?
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
The axiom is actually very easy to setup in Reaper IMHO. For transport functionality, just pull up the actions list, choose the action such as Play, click Add, press the Play button on the Axiom and your done. Repeat for the other five keys and you have a working transport in 5 minutes. No additional software needed.
For the sliders and knobs you just need to assign them to use cc 147 then the chosen note number. If you want to use the sliders/knobs to control a plugin use the parameter learn function, if you want to control things like track pan/volume use the same procedure as you did for the transport controls. The relative and absolute settings are important to get the knobs/sliders to move smoothly etc. The other thing you'll want to do is spend a couple minutes with the manual and tweak the acceleration curve, pad curve and velocity curve to your playing style and it will react much better to your playing..
There is no need for the Enigma software except you can perform some of the above from the software which removes the aggravation of only using the buttons on the Axiom to configure this. I think preset #17 already has the cc147 setting which also saves time. Be sure to save your preset as you go so you don't lose any work. If I have time maybe I'll get a few more specific instructions out to everyone (or just ask a question and I'll try to answer it) but it really is a piece of cake. Here is my basic setup I am using now:
Slider 9: Reaper Master Volume
Slider 1: Selected Track(s) Volume
Slider 2: Selected Track(s) Pan
Zone Btn 1: Go to Previous Track
Zone Btn 2: Go to Next Track
Zone Btn 3: Solo Selected Track(s)
Zone Btn 4: Mute Selected Track(s)
Button 9: Mute Master
Rotary buttons have been configured via parameter learn to operate ReaComp controls, Voxengo Gliss EQ & Elephant, ReaDelay and a few other plugs. I have it set so the rotary controls are only activated when said plugin has focus. I still have 6 sliders and 4 buttons I haven't even used yet. I also use the USB connection for MIDI as it has near zero latency compared to going through the MIDI interface.
As far as the quality of the Axiom, I think it is just fine. It's much better than my piece of crap 49 Key Roland PC-200 MkII but not as nice as my wooden/weighted 88 Key Fatar SL-880. I agree with the other poster concerning AKAI... They didn't do customers right a few years ago concerning a known pad defect IIRC so I pass right by any product of theirs I see.
Karbo
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08-16-2010, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kenneth R.
Another Axiom 61 here. No complaints yet...
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+1, but I am no power user either. I need to bang in some synth parts as well as have basic CC control for pan and volume.... maybe a custom CC assignment here and there.
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08-16-2010, 10:31 AM
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I would have to dig back into it to see if groups etc would work for pages. I eventually ended up dedicating a single rotary knob and single fader for volume/pan for the selected track. Then programmed two of the buttons as Select Previous Track / Select Next Track:
Zone Btn 1: Go to Previous Track
Zone Btn 2: Go to Next Track
This allowed me to quickly scroll left/right to the track I needed and always use the same fader/knob to adjust the selected track.
Karbo
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08-16-2010, 11:04 AM
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Single rotary knob and fader huh..? So what do you do with the other knobs and faders?
Do you know if there is a 'page' system with the Axiom Pro that lets you swap 'pages' of CC messages sent on faders and knobs? I'm not giving up on that just yet.
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