Old 11-12-2021, 07:23 PM   #1
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Synth1, as many already know, is really good.

while it is nice to work with synth1, but often the layout gets a bit boring or rather burned into my vision when working with it alot.

I wonder which commercial synth plugin can come close to it?
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Old 11-13-2021, 12:21 AM   #2
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Which aspect of Synth1 is – for you – the most valuable one? Sound (Oscillators? Filters? fx?)? Layout (GUI? Fixed module routing? Modulation)? Or something else?
There's a ton of subtractive synths out there, the question is what is most important to you. (You'd find the same topology as Synth1, that of a Nord Lead, in e.g. the great Discovery Pro. Sounds objectively better and has, IMO, a nice GUI. Test it)
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Old 11-13-2021, 12:42 AM   #3
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Try some of the usual suspects:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=259313

https://www.thewavewarden.com/odin2
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I own a bazillion commercial synths and everyday I return to Synth1. Nothing sounds like it.

Although you can't skin it, you can change it's colors. Maybe that put some juice back into it?



OPT (down center) > Color Customize
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Old 11-13-2021, 06:57 AM   #5
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Synth1, as many already know, is really good.

while it is nice to work with synth1, but often the layout gets a bit boring or rather burned into my vision when working with it alot.

I wonder which commercial synth plugin can come close to it?

Ok. If the problem is the layout of Synth 1 .... we at Reaper Communications will help you. Provided that her scripts are developed in .lua format
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Found it, forgot I could adjust the theme. Yes, that really helps to ease my eyes as I can be on it for hours. Would have been a dream if you could change the whole theme. Very generous from the developer to release this Synth, would paid at least a $100, that is how satisfying it sounds.
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I own a bazillion commercial synths and everyday I return to Synth1. Nothing sounds like it.
Yes it's one of a kind, amazing synth.
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I wonder which commercial synth plugin can come close to it?
sorry.. nothing I can think of can come close to Synth1...

I wonder why Synth1 development stopped... anyone knows?
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I own a bazillion commercial synths and everyday I return to Synth1. Nothing sounds like it.
Can you explain a bit more, what you like especially in this synth? For which use cases? Which kind of sounds?
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Can you explain a bit more, what you like especially in this synth? For which use cases? Which kind of sounds?
Analogue sounding, additive, and overal natural sounding. Most synths I tried are too digital and subtractive, which is a real turn off. Sounds rather dead and blippy. Some of synthedit synths can come close, but nothing like Synth1, which resembles what I expect an analogue synth to do.

I heard Synth1 was modelled to a Nordlead, but I am not entirely sure. If it is, then a Nordlead might be something considering buying, albeit it is not cheap.
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Most synths I tried are too digital and subtractive, which is a real turn off.
Is it? Like Synth1??
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Is it? Like Synth1??
Yeah, to my ears it does. Doesn't Synth1 emulate additive?
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Analogue sounding, additive, and overal natural sounding. Most synths I tried are too digital and subtractive, which is a real turn off. Sounds rather dead and blippy. Some of synthedit synths can come close, but nothing like Synth1, which resembles what I expect an analogue synth to do.

I heard Synth1 was modelled to a Nordlead, but I am not entirely sure. If it is, then a Nordlead might be something considering buying, albeit it is not cheap.
Do you have an example patch name? Which bank, which sounds? I have (I guess) all banks installed, at least from that huge collection.
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Old 11-14-2021, 01:58 AM   #14
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Do you have an example patch name? Which bank, which sounds? I have (I guess) all banks installed, at least from that huge collection.
Don't have any banks, I create my own patches on each new song. There supposed to be banks, but my version was empty so started from scratch.

To give an indication: Here's a song I created with Synth1 on my Mystryl project, using custom patches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL77GMDzBEU

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Analogue sounding, additive
Just to clear it up, as I believe you know, analog synthesis is predominantly subtractive (you set up your oscillators and then sculpt it with filters & modulation), were FM, PM and wavetable synths, that are practically always digital, do a lot of additive synthesis (waves modulate each other or they're modulated with something else that create new timbres that weren't there before). Modern synths today do both.

Synth 1 has two interoscillator modulators, FM and RM, and sync, so yes it does some additive synthesis but at very basic level, since it's not this kind of a synth. Those features can be found in almost every analog style synth out there.

Would be easier if you could tell us what you mean by additive and subtractive in this discussion.
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I'm a big Synth 1 fan too, and it's a shame development seems to have stalled/ended as there are a few small enhancements that could take it to the next level. It's a great intro synth due to the fact that everything is on one screen and can produce a really broad range of sounds (not to mention its free and there are thousands of patches available for it).

The two alternatives that are closest for me in terms of having a similar feature-set are Synthmaster One and Native Instruments Super 8. Of the two, Synthmaster One is the more powerful, but I use Super 8 more often.

I also love TAL U-NO-LX which is not as versatile, but is capable of a wonderful 80s sounds.
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Just to clear it up, as I believe you know, analog synthesis is predominantly subtractive [...] Would be easier if you could tell us what you mean by additive and subtractive in this discussion.
Thanks - I also lost the discussion here. Synth 1 is basically a Nord Lead 1, which is considered the first "virtual analog", which is a subtractive synth with basic waveforms found in your average analog synthesizer, with the addition of a little FM (or sync'd cross modulation) and a ring modulator (non-sync'd cross modulation) and modulation effects as far as I remember. Nothing impossible with an analog synth.
The presence of filters is the "subtractive" part as you subtract overtones from the pure full range wave. "Additive" on the other hand is mostly digital these days (the more "partials" the more complex the sound, not really possible in analog - a drawbar organ is based on an additive model as well, so it can be done, but on a very simple level). The timbre is created by the addition of sine wave "partials", overtones if you will, which add up to an often glassy tone (Kawai K5000 as one the most prominent and interesting ones out there).
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Thanks - I also lost the discussion here. ---
Now that we got this straight for everybody we can get back to the topic: Synth1 alternatives.

Commercial, I think u-he Diva has gained a lot of respect.

Freeware, u-he Tyrel N6 is nice.

Fullbucket's fb3100 - fb3300 sound great but I don't like to program those. I wonder when it's gonna be enough to emulate the sound of analog gear, not all the quirky interfaces as well.

Another analog freebie has been made by discoDSP, OB-Xd, that emulates unsurprisingly OB-X - it's free license limits use to non-commercial though.

I believe these are well known, but maybe someone hasn't encountered these yet.
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I'm liking ZynFusion a lot

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One more: Vital synth is capable of some analogesque sounds. Needs a bit tweaking but it's doable. It's a very versatile and capable synth.
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Would be easier if you could tell us what you mean by additive and subtractive in this discussion.
I thought true subtractive was when one takes a series of square wave and shape it by subtraction instead of additive mixing. In this way you can emulate saws, noises, shapes and also approximate sine. In this way it is possible generate any sound with a series of square waves by shifting them and constantly subtraction. But when mixing in sines, saws then it becomes additive. Unless it is used to modulate the sound, but then it is still semi-subtractive.

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I thought true subtractive was when one takes a series of square wave and shape it by subtraction ---
Well that's an interesting theory lol. Luckily you don't need to emulate saw waves, you can just click on a saw wave button and voilà.
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Well that's an interesting theory lol. Luckily you don't need to emulate saw waves, you can just click on a saw wave button and voilà.
I have created my own synth... Celestia, it does analogue additive with formant shaping. Makes it possible to create any sound imaginable. So no, I don't just click buttons, even though I do.
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I have created my own synth... Celestia, it does analogue additive with formant shaping. Makes it possible to create any sound imaginable. So no, I don't just click buttons, even though I do.
Whos, that’s intriguing! Where can I test it?

Btw. Whaddya think Plugin Alliance’s Knifonium? To me it sounds nothing but amazing, although it’s not a direct replacement to Synth1. They have totally different personalities, even though they’re both virtual analogs.

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Whos, that’s intriguing! Where can I test it?
I found it here: http://www.flaneurette.work/software/instruments.html, but it's described as a wavetable synth, not an "analogue additive", so … question mark.
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I found it here: http://www.flaneurette.work/software/instruments.html, but it's described as a wavetable synth, not an "analogue additive", so … question mark.
Hey thanks!
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Now that we got this straight for everybody we can get back to the topic: Synth1 alternatives.

Commercial, I think u-he Diva has gained a lot of respect.

Freeware, u-he Tyrel N6 is nice.

Fullbucket's fb3100 - fb3300 sound great but I don't like to program those. I wonder when it's gonna be enough to emulate the sound of analog gear, not all the quirky interfaces as well.

Another analog freebie has been made by discoDSP, OB-Xd, that emulates unsurprisingly OB-X - it's free license limits use to non-commercial though.

I believe these are well known, but maybe someone hasn't encountered these yet.
A hot tip here is to download the original OB-Xd by 2Dat. It has no limitations.
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I wonder why Synth1 development stopped... anyone knows?
Well Mac version is still being updated https://daichilab.sakura.ne.jp/softsynth/index.html
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