Track Lanes Discussion

[PunPun]

Originally Posted by schwa

It is intended, you can't record into (or comp into) a lane that you can't see. I can understand why there are situations where you might want to do that, but but we figured there were more situations where it would happen unintentionally and be very confusing.

Got it, thanks for letting me know.

Another question :

Is it / Will it be possible to get and set the *int lane that is currently playing with the API in 'reaper.GetMediaTrackInfo_Value' ? I guess that this is currently possible by parsing through the media items of the track, use 'reaper.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "I_FIXEDLANE")', check if that lane is playing with 'reaper.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "C_LANEPLAYS") --needs to be 1.0' but I feel like it's quite tedious right now to obtain this info.

EDIT :
Nevermind, didn't see the ':N' after C_LANEPLAYS. And I saw that values 1 and 2 are swapped and will be fixed in next release. All good, sorry...

[mattn]

Originally Posted by Gass n Klang

these yellow dots still take such an immense amount of screen real estate. I'd love to see a MUCH smaller footprint on that. I think pro tools has a smart way of doing it at least in the "one lane" view. The playlist name is just a suffix at the track name. Not a pixel more space needed for that.
I don't like that the layout changes when switching to fixed lanes:

I agree. The Layout change makes me search for the buttons after I have switched to fixed lanes. Preferably (I think) the arrange part should be adjusted in size if needed, not the TPC area.

[EpicSounds]

This seems a bit weird when trying to use it for songs. Not sure what to do about this.



Let's say you are recording Verse 1 in Fixed lanes mode with show all lanes off. It is 3 takes and you keep the 3rd take
Move on to Verse 2 and start recording takes

your verse 1 section will switch to take/lane 1 after the first recording in 2nd section.
DON'T WANT THAT

Show all lanes
Select lane 3, comp into copy of this lane and the Comp lane is now active. add comp of lane 1 section 2.
Shift-click the lanes collapse button to show only 1 lane.

Record another take in verse 2.
Lane 2 is now active.
DON'T WANT THAT

OK keep all lanes visible, let's record again in verse 2
Lane 3 is now active
I GIVE UP

What would you do to keep your Verse 1 comp intact while recording next section?
I really have no idea what to do here

[schwa]

It sounds like 'record into first available lane' is enabled, and it unfortunately will happily record into a comping lane. This will be fixed for 7.02.

Also, is Comping => 'Create comp areas for new recording while comping' enabled?

[Coachz]

If there's any way to move the comp stuff into the TCP that would be slicker and free up space imo. Down the road. :-)

[EpicSounds]

Originally Posted by schwa

It sounds like 'record into first available lane' is enabled
Also, is Comping => 'Create comp areas for new recording while comping' enabled?

both enabled.

feels like I need a way to lock a comp as active, and use most recent recorded lane outside comp areas.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

both enabled.

feels like I need a way to lock a comp as active, and use most recent recorded lane outside comp areas.

7.02 will not record into any lane that has comp areas, whether they are active or not.

[EpicSounds]

that's good but I don't it fixes the problem for me.


Record 2 times in 1 place, then 3 times in another and then the first section will have no audio playing back in the sections that are already done.

The old takes system had many problems, but not this one. so its a bit frustrating trying to switch from takes to lanes

need a 'keep comp active while recording other areas' toggle or something.

[Gass n Klang]

Originally Posted by Coachz

If there's any way to move the comp stuff into the TCP that would be slicker and free up space imo. Down the road. :-)

yep that would be VERY good.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

that's good but I don't it fixes the problem for me.


Record 2 times in 1 place, then 3 times in another and then the first section will have no audio playing back in the sections that are already done.

The old takes system had many problems, but not this one. so its a bit frustrating trying to switch from takes to lanes

need a 'keep comp active while recording other areas' toggle or something.

I don't think I'm following. If you are comping while recording, here is what I would expect to see:

[EpicSounds]

Originally Posted by schwa

I don't think I'm following. If you are comping while recording, here is what I would expect to see:

mine is not doing that, or not always. with Comp lane active, but comping off, it is advancing to next/new lanes with each record pass.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

Comp lane active, but comping off

Comping is either on/active or off/inactive. If your use case is that you want to show only one lane, and choose comps as you record, then I think you want to leave it on.

If recording into one lane view, and comping is off, if the lane view didn't switch after the recording, then your new recording would be invisible and you'd have no way to even access it unless you either turned comping right back on, or changed to display all lanes.

[benmiller]

Originally Posted by schwa

It is intended, you can't record into (or comp into) a lane that you can't see. I can understand why there are situations where you might want to do that, but but we figured there were more situations where it would happen unintentionally and be very confusing.

Following this logic. could we have "record in to playing lane", so that in one lane view you can just record into that lane without having to set the recording lane explicitly? especially now that changing lanes removes the "record into " property.

in fact, when "option:new recording that overlapps...." has "add lane" NOT checked, I don't understand why it still adds lanes.

Maybe the next menu item "when not adding lanes, or recording into a specific lane" could become:

"when not adding lanes, or recording into a specific lane or not adding lanes and there is only one playing lane" (wording could be better) and then the recording could happen in the playing lane when not adding lanes and only one lane is present.

I know i've asked for this a bunch of time but it really seems we have just about every lane-recording interaction possible exepct this which feels very simple and intuitive (to me at least)

[EpicSounds]

Originally Posted by schwa

Comping is either on/active or off/inactive. If your use case is that you want to show only one lane, and choose comps as you record, then I think you want to leave it on.

If recording into one lane view, and comping is off, if the lane view didn't switch after the recording, then your new recording would be invisible and you'd have no way to even access it unless you either turned comping right back on, or changed to display all lanes.

same thing happens if all lanes are shown too.

If it was same behavior with lane switching as when comping is enabled, minus the yellow highlight on the track, and without the mouse changing I think that would be good.

When I'm tracking I don't want to be in an editing mode if you know what I mean. Am I weird, is this too nitpicky?

[benmiller]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

When I'm tracking I don't want to be in an editing mode if you know what I mean. Am I weird, is this too nitpicky?

but if you are selecting the bits to keep while recording you are already in editing mode in your head at least

with collapsed view, viewing the comping lane, comping on, it seems like exactly the behaviour you want...

[schwa]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

If it was same behavior with lane switching as when comping is enabled, minus the yellow highlight on the track, and without the mouse changing I think that would be good.

To be clear, you're asking for a mode where you record something and then you can't hear what you just recorded?

[deeb]

schwa: Any chance of having individual fxchain and mute and solo per lane ?

/me runs and hides 2 times

[AZpercussion]

+ Preferences: support setting track lane buttons hidden by default

Could we have also a preference for defaults to show/play only one lane?

[Coachz]

Originally Posted by AZpercussion

+ Preferences: support setting track lane buttons hidden by default

Could we have also a preference for defaults to show/play only one lane?

Good suggestion. Can we also please please have an option to have the COMP lane created automatically after recording a 2nd lane ?

[benmiller]

Originally Posted by deeb

schwa: Any chance of having individual fxchain and mute and solo per lane ?

/me runs and hides 2 times

i think those are called tracks...

[HighVoltage]

Originally Posted by benmiller

i think those are called tracks...

lol

[alphoc]

When we use the new comping system for the old project in Reaper 7, the takes we selected in the past do not appear. Instead, a stack appears with the new recorded at the bottom and the old recorded at the top. However, it is very difficult to transfer old takes to the new system; this task seems almost impossible with thousands of takes and hundreds of tracks.

Is something like this possible? When we open the old project in Reaper 7 and select "fixed item lanes", the old takes are still selected and we only use those old selected takes as a new comping. Or old selected takes automatically appear in the comping lane.

I hope I could explain. So, how do you adapt old projects?

Apart from this, the current comping system is also useless. Namely; When you zoom vertically, each lane of the stack created when fixed item lanes are active is affected and the image often covers the entire screen. Can the comping lane and other lanes be vertically zoomed separately in the future?

One last thing, should the last recorded take appear at the top instead of at the bottom, or could there be an option to select that?

[EpicSounds]

Originally Posted by benmiller

but if you are selecting the bits to keep while recording you are already in editing mode in your head at least

with collapsed view, viewing the comping lane, comping on, it seems like exactly the behaviour you want...

Originally Posted by schwa

To be clear, you're asking for a mode where you record something and then you can't hear what you just recorded?

it's really about not changing earlier areas of the track as new takes and lanes are added to the track in a recording situation.

When comping is on it does pretty much what I'm asking. I don't think it is obvious to do.

I recorded a quick video to hopefully explain what I'm on about

https://youtu.be/SS4M-rP6Dyw

off to f up my life installing Sonoma bye

[mlprod]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

mine is not doing that, or not always. with Comp lane active, but comping off, it is advancing to next/new lanes with each record pass.

I see no problems here, if you in this case wanted to record into the comp lane (which might not be a good thing, or maybe it would in this case) then you would just chose "record into this lane".

[mlprod]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

it's really about not changing earlier areas of the track as new takes and lanes are added to the track in a recording situation.

When comping is on it does pretty much what I'm asking. I don't think it is obvious to do.

I recorded a quick video to hopefully explain what I'm on about

https://youtu.be/SS4M-rP6Dyw

off to f up my life installing Sonoma bye

Ahh yes, If you have a comp on verse 1 active and you wanna record verse 2, and hear the last recorded take, then you should enable "create comp areas for new recording while comping", then they will be promoted to the comp lane each time to do a new pass of verse 2.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by EpicSounds

it's really about not changing earlier areas of the track as new takes and lanes are adI recorded a quick video to hopefully explain what I'm on about

Thanks for recording the video. The workflow process you are showing is to record multiple takes of a section, choose a good one, then move on to the next section. That workflow is a natural fit for 'classic' takes, because nothing about one section affects any other sections. Choose a take, record the next section, choose a take, etc.

For this workflow to work with lanes, you need to have comping enabled and leave it enabled while you're recording. Record the first section, comp a good take, record the next section, comp a good take, etc.

It might help to think of lanes more like playlists than takes. Lanes either play or they don't. The comping system is just a set of tools to help you assemble copies of your good takes into a 'keeper' lane that always plays.

If you prefer to manually assemble a comp by moving or copying your good takes into a keeper lane, you could do that too, but you would need to enable 'layer new lanes' to ensure that your keeper lane is always playing even as you record new material in different lanes.

[EpicSounds]

I should also test bringing these actions into the workflow. I don't think I've used them
Track properties: Fixed item lanes (convert takes to lanes)
Track properties: Set fixed lanes (convert takes to lanes)

[benmiller]

an other way of going about it could be:
record verse1 a couple of times, select the version you want to keep,
then record verse 2 into that lane,
for take 2 of verse 2, you duplicate the lane you were working in and record in the new duplicate.

for every new take you always duplicate and work in the new duplicate.

This way you are always working in a lanes with all your selected takes.
And every lane is a version of the whole track at that moment.
But it's a bit messy when you start looking through all the old lanes again because you will end up with a lot of duplicate items...

[smandrap]

Found a buglet: when Alt+Clicking the lane collapse button when Hide Fixed Lanes is enabled on a track, this click is not "eaten" (don't know how to explain this better).
The problem is: when the track is at minimum height, the lane collapse button aligns with one of the hidden lane buttons. Clicking two times in (not so fast) succession results in Alt+double click on the lane header button, which by default is delete lane including media items.

Steps to reproduce:

• Fixed Lane track
• Alt + click the lane collapse button -> Lane buttons are hidden
• Resize the track to minimum height
• Alt + double click the lane collapse button
• The lane is deleted including the media items (with only one lane, only the items are deleted)

Maybe let the lane collapse button "eat" the first click?

Hope i explained myself Thanks

[fakemaxwell]

Any possibility to treat retroactive MIDI record the same as regular record wrt lanes? It feels off that it doesn't add a new lanes when that behavior is selected as the default for new recordings.

[sockmonkey72]

Watching Kenny's track lanes double-pack today got me thinking that it would be very helpful to have some way to see a composite waveform view of layered lanes (without sticking the whole track into a folder).

I don't know if that's some kind of special lane, a special item or what, but I think it would come in handy.

[Vagelis]

It's not a protools clone, and hopefully it 'll stay like that.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Svein

It's not possible to record into a specific lane and show/play only that lane by default. The choices is grayed out until there are two or more lanes

I think you can do this in 7.02 and later.

[Svein]

Originally Posted by schwa

I think you can do this in 7.02 and later.

Yes! Thank you! Record into lane works now with only one lane.
It would be fantastic if "show/play only lane" also would work too.
(And could be set as a default for new tracks)

Mr Vagelis: A lot of daws have playlist or track versions system. Nothing to do with becoming a Pro Tools clone. Even if I was on PT since it was on floppies, I have transitioned to Reaper 100% and a track version system is what I have missed the most and now we got it. Reaper has so much more to offer.

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by Svein

Mr Vagelis: A lot of daws have playlist or track versions system. Nothing to do with becoming a Pro Tools clone. Even if I was on PT since it was on floppies, I have transitioned to Reaper 100% and a track version system is what I have missed the most and now we got it. Reaper has so much more to offer.

Exactly, and of course many Daws have Tracklists but different comping systems, that was my point before you delete your post.
I guess I expressed this because lately I see old Protools users complaining for many things in Reaper because it doesn't look or works "like it", and it's a bit annoying.

[Svein]

Can't speak for others but I like Reaper the way it is. From a practical standpoint I missed playlists. If I have worded it "Track Versions" instead of "Playlists" would you have said "old cubase users are complaining" or is it just a hate towards Pro Tools? Just wondering..

Originally Posted by Vagelis

Exactly, and of course many Daws have Tracklists but different comping systems, that was my point before you delete your post.
I guess I expressed this because lately I see old Protools users complaining for many things in Reaper because it doesn't look or works "like it", and it's a bit annoying.

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by Svein

Can't speak for others but I like Reaper the way it is. From a practical standpoint I missed playlists. If I have worded it "Track Versions" instead of "Playlists" would you have said "old cubase users are complaining" or is it just a hate towards Pro Tools? Just wondering..

Lol, nothing to do about it I explained above the reason, that's really it.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Svein

if "show/play only lane" also would work too

Ah, it's a bug that it's grayed out there, the same action is not grayed out if you right-click the big/small lanes button, or you can shift+click the big/small lanes button to collapse to one lane.

[Svein]

Originally Posted by schwa

Ah, it's a bug that it's grayed out there, the same action is not grayed out if you right-click the big/small lanes button, or you can shift+click the big/small lanes button to collapse to one lane.

Ahh thanks!! Good to hear You Rock!!! 🤘

[Coachz]

Deleting Lane media isn't deleting the empty lane until the lower one is deleted.



2nd.....Please make an option to have a comp lane automatically created when lanes are defined as a Fixed Item Lanes. That way I can make an action to set the lane as a fixed item lane and have it make the DESIRED comp all in one action. Hopefully all of the fixed lane functions end up as actions so that I can make a fixed lane floating toolbar of quick access to everything

Comp into new empty lane – creates an EMPTY comp lane above the 1,2,3 … lanes to comp into.

Comp into new empty lane, automatically creating comp areas – creates a comp lane above the 1,2,3 … lanes and creates a comped item from the top down starting with lane 1.

Comp into new copy of this lane – creates a comp lane using the current lane you right clicked over

Comp into this lane – Creates a comp lane with the contents of the next recording.

Thank you very very much.