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Old 12-08-2006, 10:29 AM   #1
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Default Please let me know how to further streamline this program =)

I have no need 4 waveform display or 3D icons & shading & whatnot. They all eat resources. 4 example, I run a modified version of Winblow$ 95. It is stable, about 20X (literally) faster than XP, running tripple big Trinitron setup, 6TB of drives & a whole host of things 'Window's can't do'.

My request is this - how do I ELIMINATE:

Waveform display (solid bar 2 denote length of sections is fine by me!)

Shading (solid colors R fine & fast

3D Icons (nice 'Winblows 95' standard modified is my fave. I simply changed some of the colors (darker grey, green highlight 4 selected stuff, etc.) - my point - a simple 'retro 95' fast icon set is good. WHere can I get?

I haven't loaded the program as U might have guessed. I'm not even interested in looking at it unless I can disable the waveform display. It slows all the 20gazillion audio editor programs out there down 2 molasses. I want stuff 2 load IMMEDIATELY in REAL TIME - in other words, so the program reads as it goes, rather than reads the whole damn recording 4 5 minutes just 2 get going LOL

Let me know - peter845@hotmail.com

REAL TIME - no waveform or 'walpaper' nonsense. I tried Cakewalk once - they pay more attention 2 cosmetics than function. & don't get me started on stuff like Samplitude - knobs??? IT'S AN EFFING COMPUTER NOT A PIECE OF RACK GEAR!!! Oh I am going to 'turn' the knob with my mouse? (give me a break!!!)

Hey at least U don't put knobs in Reaper (so far as the screen shots U posted Thanx!
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Currently I use Vegas & Acid. They're overcomplicated though - as in, they display the waveform & crap like that nobody needs. What in 1970 they couldn't make music because nobody had a pretty computer display of a silly wave shape on a screen? THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE 'PUTERS!!!

Mandatory waveform display has got 2 B the lamest thing in the history of the Earth - OK I am exagerating, but it's so effin useless. Bars! There was a proggie called 'darkwave' 4 Linux - N E 1 know where I can get a copy? I know it just had simple bars. I bet it was wicked fast! The simpler the GUY, well it helps make everything faster

Any programmer who makes a 'software knob' should B killed. It's a COMPUTER! Make a SLIDER!!!
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I think you'd be much happier with this:

[img]http://img77.**************/img77/8237/reeltoreelrecorderwc4.jpg[/img]


Then, get this upgrade pack and you'll be in heaven:


[img]http://img461.**************/img461/1048/reelreelyi0.jpg[/img]

No waveforem display and no CPU consumption at all.
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Surely it'd be better if DAWs didn't show any graphics at all, and just displayed everything as raw binary? I'm informed everything would run a lot quicker that way.
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The simpler the GUY, well it helps make everything faster
I don't know about that one... most simple GUY's I know are not too quick...

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Yeah, simple guys probably aren't the answer.
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you can disable waveform and you can use "old school" icon theme which should work for windows 95

try it
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Any programmer who makes a 'software knob' should B killed. It's a COMPUTER! Make a SLIDER!!!
First of a computer doesn't care about whether it's a knob or a fader, all it knows is "I gotta draw that pixels", so it's NO differents for the computer.

To answer your other questions:

1. I won't mail you, HELL NO, I won't!

2. To get rid of the waveform display:
1. Preferences -> Appearance (Media) -> diable "Display peaks for media items"
2. Preferences -> Media -> diable "Build/update missing peaks when media is brought back online" and "Auto generate peak caches.." (disable both)

3. Get rid of the gradients:
1. Preferences -> Appearance -> diable "Enable gradient backgrounds"

4. Regarding the icons:
PCs don't care whether they gotta draw fancy or ugly icons they just do it. But if you really need windows 95 icons I'd suggest you get an icon editor and make one on your own...

Regarding win 95: reaper does not run on win 95 (well might be win 98 with old win 95 explorer, though)

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Which makes the best use of valuable screen real estate?

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Well, actually, looking at this you probably could do away with both knobs and faders; just click and hold the value box, slide up to increase value and down to decrease value.
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Well since I'm pro fader:


(Bad mockup powered by MS Paint )
But I don't care whether these are faders or knobs when you can drag the knobs like faders (I hate dragging them circular!).

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Well, actually, looking at this you probably could do away with both knobs and faders; just click and hold the value box, slide up to increase value and down to decrease value.
But this way the visual indicator would be missing...
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Well, actually, looking at this you probably could do away with both knobs and faders; just click and hold the value box, slide up to increase value and down to decrease value.
OMG SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ON THIS!!!! I've argued this method with people for years it seems. Do away with graphics as much as possible, even values are often used to determine audio settings... WTF!? Even if you force yourself not to look, I can't help but see that Kick Drum is at 0.13dB and I want to nudge it to 0.00dB so it can look "neat" - damn ME!!! I'm so pathetic, why can't I use my ears... DAMN THIS VISUAL WORLD WE LIVE IN!!!
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seriously though, moving a fader side-to-side is painful, up and down is better. If things are knobs, and there setting to make them either up/down or left/right, I'd definately prefer that over faders. In REAPER I always use the mouse wheel though, which also works fine.
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Anywho, I had a deep, illuminating, almost religious, experience this week concerning audio application interface:

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1

I watched the whole thing with my jaw wide open. Gotta be the most intuitive, efficient, user friendly, fun and musical GUI I ever laid my eyes on. Almost made me want to buy, even thought I'm not a singer and have relatively not much use for it.
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OMG SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ON THIS!!!! I've argued this method with people for years it seems. Do away with graphics as much as possible, even values are often used to determine audio settings... WTF!? Even if you force yourself not to look, I can't help but see that Kick Drum is at 0.13dB and I want to nudge it to 0.00dB so it can look "neat" - damn ME!!! I'm so pathetic, why can't I use my ears... DAMN THIS VISUAL WORLD WE LIVE IN!!!
But the post I replied to had to do with screen real estate and nothing else. From that stand point alone your sarcasm is quite uncalled for...
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But the post I replied to had to do with screen real estate and nothing else. From that stand point alone your sarcasm is quite uncalled for...
what sarcasm? you kill two birds with one stone: save space AND make users use their ears more... that's all I was sayin'
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what sarcasm? you kill two birds with one stone: save space AND make users use their ears more... that's all I was sayin'
Ok, guess I mistook the allcap and excamation points for sarcasm, sorry about that.
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forgot to lace it with smileys, my fault too
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Default I like the compromise EMU took with PatchMIX

This is a screen shot of PMIX I put up to help a guy understand routing a little better so it really does not point out the details... But see the knobs? You click one and a fader appears with the mouse pointer snapping to the slider. You get the screen savings and visual feedback from knobs but the ease of use of a slider.



Confused? Me too...

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EDIT: Here is a better pic. I clicked the Pan knob for Dock Mic/Line B. Of course, "Print Screen" hides the pointer but you get the idea yes?


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I have read each of the responses & here R my comments:

bullshark (the insulting retard): I don't like tape because it is slow & there is no random access. I used 2 own 4 ADAT XT - it was an effin' nightmare compared 2 Vegas

Ben Zero (insulting retard #2): Telling me 2 read binary is like telling someone to drink gas to speed their walking, because cars are faster than legs. Go screw yourself. We R not machines.

Diogenes: The simpler a GUI is, the quicker it is (all else being equal). I use the very first pre-95 shell because it's literally about 20X faster than XP. 2 B honest I've not clocked it - it is INSTANTANEOUS as far as eyes can see - just snaps N E function INSTANTLY. XP is a pathetic joke. I will try Vista - may move over if it is not as crippled sh*t as XP is. I hope finaly Micro$hit actually releases something USEFUL besides just the first 95 pre-IE shell & the driver section from 98SE! Tripple monitors R nice indeed

Ben Zero: No, simple GUI R in fact the answer 2 extra speed. The less work a CPU has 2 do, the easier it is to recognize, drag & control functions, the more quick & easy a program will B 2 use. It is the reason I like Acid & Vegas - minimum bullsh*t. I am interested however in something that can natively record all the stuff in OGG or something, 2 save drive space - so I can record even more fun stuff, & on other smaller devices

Youn: "you can disable waveform and you can use "old school" icon theme which should work for windows 95" - ANSWER the question - HOW wold this B done? What do I click, enter, adjust - & in what order 2 achieve this result?

LOSER (he chose that name): "First of a computer doesn't care about whether it's a knob or a fader, all it knows is "I gotta draw that pixels", so it's NO differents for the computer." - wrong, takes more CPU cycles 2 draw something complex - especially on the graphics card.

"To get rid of the waveform display:
1. Preferences -> Appearance (Media) -> diable "Display peaks for media items"
2. Preferences -> Media -> diable "Build/update missing peaks when media is brought back online" and "Auto generate peak caches.." (disable both)

3. Get rid of the gradients:
1. Preferences -> Appearance -> diable "Enable gradient backgrounds"

4. Regarding the icons:
PCs don't care whether they gotta draw fancy or ugly icons they just do it. But if you really need windows 95 icons I'd suggest you get an icon editor and make one on your own..."

I don't give a sh*t what the OS name is - I just want simple fader 'blocks' U can quicly & easily grab with the mouse & adjust. Pan should B left & right because it's intuitive. Volume, up & down, & so on - or a feature 2 toggle that 2 user preference. Horizontal certainly saves the most screen real estate (Vegas/Acid style

Diogenes: The picture U chose has a knob section without bar graphs, whereas the slider section has much more information. Knobs take more brain power to determine their position also, whereas a slider (or bar/graph) communicates it's value 2 your brain INSTANTLY. Knobs are sh*t 4 human communication on a mixer board, just as they are in software. Bar graphs would B the best.

bullshark: "Well, actually, looking at this you probably could do away with both knobs and faders; just click and hold the value box, slide up to increase value and down to decrease value." - That is an EXCELLENT idea! Actually, horizontal little bars - like U C in 'download progress' bars in a web interface would B ideal, & then just click them 2 change their value up or down - right or left - depending on what the user perfers 4 that function. Hell control TWO things with the mouse at once - up/down 4 1, left/right 4 another - like volume/pan. The value could B displayed in a square as a dot instead of a bar. NOW THAT would B ideal! Imagine how many channels of volume & pan could B easily controled with THAT! & say, double click it 2 display a number value 4 each, such as 'Pan=28L, Vol=25" & so on - people could, instead of the silly 'db' levels, just display everything as values between 1-10, or 1-100. Say, double clicking it again toggles it 2 a pair of bar graphs - the top displays a pan line, the bottom displays a solid filled bar 4 level. R U programmers listening 2 this? Imagine the speed with which a user could command this interface! WoW!

LOSER: Pro fader is good, but the idea I outlined above is even better =8^)

Youn: That's true - should offer 4 each function the ability to toggle a 'snap 2 value' display in incriments of 1, .5, .1, .01 (your 0.13 value as described)

Youn: True up/down is easier, but with pan it is not intuitive. The user should B given the choice 2 toggle this - right-left or up-down control 4 various faders such as pan. I prefer right-left 4 pan at least Of course, in multi-channel surround, it should B all directions - say, in a circle or box shape, with a dot in the middle denoting volume by distance from center, & position by degree off-axis from top center - kind of like a radar screen. Using a box is also just as intuitive as a circle, & gives a bit of extra fine control due 2 increased space at the corners, all with the same ammount of screen real estate.

bullshark: That Melodyne is a very cool toy 4 doing techno tricks. It certainly will B most useless for N E part without a particularly dominant note - or if doing things out of tune or in non-standard tunings, but looks cool enough 2 steal off Kazaa or something. If it were a reasonable price, like $30 or something, I would B happy 2 buy it instead of steal it. What an effing ripoff. Programers R such jackasses, crippling everything then pretending the version that is actually what they wrote in the first place is worth $700 or some crap like that - meanwhile U can B certain they have purposely laced it with plenty of bugs 2 keep U 'upgrading' 4 years - following the scam mechanism laid down by crooks like MicroFlop. Y I still use the shell from 95!!! IT's the only thing M$ put out that is stable, fast, works. Ever notice how later versions of Winblows freeze up? Not so with the pre-IE95! Infinite networking connections, etc. Put a gig of RAM on a 98SE machine with the extra drivers from ME & the first shel from 95 pre-IE. Notice how it will B about 20X faster & more stable than an XP machine.

U know the funniest thing about XP - I kid U not - as soon as I tried it, immediately got popup spam trying 2 mess up my machine - literally like people on my machine messing with me. I heard this was 'normal' - WTF! Like I should have 2 tweak something 2 'fix' this - as if it was some great 'mystery' & Micro$shit didn't know it could happen - give me a break! I wouldn't B surprised if M$ puts out half the viruses out there covertly as a means of trapping people into constant upgrades & 'security fixes' & ESPECIALLY service calls. Many of the bugs put into programs by various manufacturers is 2 generate service revenue, just like all American cars are designed to fall apart as soon as the warranty expires! U know this is true.

Diogenes: The pop-up idea is great. Vegas/Acid have that - at least the versions I use. Gives U extra fine control. Collapsing 2 a bar graph &/or 'point display/radar' look R useful 4 then saving space after adjustment. A 'grid' of many channels, stacked in several rows, would B awesome. I will make a layout like I describe & post a pic 4 U programmer guys 2 have a gander at - the ultimate audio production interface! Zero bullshit, 100% quick & easy functionality!
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P.S.: Thought this went without saying, but should add this statement --> OF COURSE by all means follow WINDOWS CONVENTIONS with the cosmetics. The user should B able 2 choose the theme via the usual 'display' settings within Winblows, & have those translate 2 the program, just as the user set them. If they choose a darker grey, or green text, or particular colors, those will B carried over into the program & displayed as the user set them in Winblow$.

I do mock Windoze a lot, but in terms of flexibility & user interface, everything else out there is so incredibly infinitely worse. Mac as well yes - I laughed so hard first time I tried Mac - it was OS9 (OSX is just BSD). No menu bar, constantly changing function lists, no way 2 determine what is opening without 'shuffling papers' on your 'desktop'.

I suspect 1 of the reasons people think Mac is faster is because it's so difficult 2 manage multiple streams of work, that people only do a very few things at a time. Meanwhile U can use a program like 'Process explorer' in Winblows 2 arrange CPU priority as U like, running 40+ simultaneous downloads, br4owsing the net, watching a movie, & listening 2 MP3 & doing image manipulation & other stuff all at once - very very easily. Add also a multiple desktop toggle like JSpager or Triplus Winspace (easier) & U R really swingin!

If U want speed, Dragonfly BSD is it. Bitch 2 use tho - & not flexible. Ideally somebody should also port this 'ideal media processor' program 2 Dragonfly - or even better yet, port it 2 SONY CELL KERNEL - now THAT would seriously kick some ass. It would destroy all current offerings in the marketplace - so fast & cheap 2 deploy (simply get an ethernet audio interface & a Sony PS3) the entire studio industry would B turned on it's head yet again - home studio as well.

R U listening Reaper guys? U R the Grim Reaper of the software competition. Include the simple & fast functionality & interface I describe, & port it 2 NATIVE run on the CELL KERNEL - goddamn that would effin' SCREAM! Could probably do a bunch of instruments & recording & effects all with zero latency surround monitoring. WoW.

Count me in! What would I pay 4 something like this 2 work on the cell? Well, if it were not purposely crippled, $500. I bet there R a lot of folks like me who would also like a good audio studio on the PS3 2 replace all their rack gear.

Hell later U could add video editing. The most important features I think would B flesible keying & overlaying/mixing of multiple video streams. 4 example, people can easily steal various parts from movies & manipulate them in a manner similar 2 Adobe Photo Deluxe version 1 (by far the quickest most fun program 4 layering stuff), but with full motion HD video! haha - now that would B something - say goodbye commercial studios. Power 2 the people mannn.

Key being when U manipulate stuff enough, it is no longer like the source & U can't B sued 4 it. Case in point - does this look like porn? Well it was made from porno pix, layered, tweaked - can do the same 4 special effects with video...

<img src="http://neptuneholographics.com/art/gene_baxter/punisher.jpg">

Or, a less abstract example -

<img src="http://neptuneholographics.com/art/gene_baxter/the_artist.jpg">

Seems my account does not have image linking enabled - paste it in yer' browsers then

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I don't give a sh*t what the OS name is - I just want simple fader 'blocks' U can quicly & easily grab with the mouse & adjust. Pan should B left & right because it's intuitive. Volume, up & down, & so on - or a feature 2 toggle that 2 user preference. Horizontal certainly saves the most screen real estate (Vegas/Acid style
Well I don't really care about the OS name either (still on Win98SE), but I think REAPER is streamlined enough and GUIs don't take too much speed from your system (at least if they aren't some 3D-ultra-glow-shinny-realtime-shadowing-crap) IMO...

But did disabling the wavedraw + gradients make you at least a bit more happy
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you can definitely turn off peaks etc in reaper... but I doubt reaper will run on win95. 98, yes..
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Jeez dudes it's so friggin obvious - the simpler the graphics, the faster the draw!!! Is it easier 2 make 1 big black screen than a zillion DIFFERENT OBJECTS, LINES, COLORS etc? OF COURSE it is!!! The LESS the computer has 2 do, the FASTER it will do it! Waveform draw is useless B.S. yes, but so are knobs with knurling & stuff - I mean come on - does my 'finger' need 'traction' on your friggin Reaper 'slider'? Then Y draw in ridges on the graphic? It's effin' RIDICULOUS!!! Almost as ridic as knobs LOL

I love the 'ckick a bar' idea - click a bar with level displayed, pops up a slider - simple slider - then pops back - bla bla - went over this, but guys if U wanna' get your 'puter really fast, disable all that NONSENSE!!! Believe me - I know - I've tried. People never believe my test system is a 400Mhz (yes, that's correct

Did U know that Yahoo up until about 1996 used a total of 5 lil' PCs between 100-200Mhz running BSD? Well listen & learn. Did U know that typical digal mixer - such as Yamaha's DMP series, that has 16 channels of EQ, compression, 2 multi-effects - all with continuus automation & MIDi bla bla - guess what the CPU speed was? 40mhz. No, not 400. Not 4 giga (thousand) - no - 40! That's about 1/100 (1%) the speed of today's machines, with about the SAME real-time capabilities. What was the difference? Less overhead BULLSHIT! Hell if the same philosophy were carried 2 todays PC harware - the 'economize' they do with the Yamaha mixers - we could run 1600 channels of 3 band parametric EQ, 400 dynamics processors, 200 multi-effect plugins - I mean seriously - do the math. Problem is the PROGRAMMERS WASTE CPU CYCLES ON BULLSHIT!!!!

ECONOMIZE DAMNIT! 4 THE LOVE OF FUK, ECONOMIZE YOUR CODE!!!!

How do U think I am running 6tb & fancy A/V editing on a 'P.O.S.' (piece of shit) AMD 400? I mean come on - it's not the hardware that's keeping U from speed - it's the damn PROGRAMMERS & OS CRIPPLING. U gotta tweak - distill the essence, use ONLY what produces WORK, not WASTE.

Crap like 'texture gradients' & 'transparency' (think vista image mixing LOL) etc! that stuff is all stupid 'window dressing' that does NOTHING 4 functionality but make it look nicer when it's sitting still.

Another thing that speeds things up a lot is making a fixed swap file size (less fragmentation). Further speed by moving the program U will B using 2 RAM in a 'ramdrive' (there is a free French program that makes them up 2 2GB, bigger paid versions available). Running a program from ramdrive makes it about instantaneous. Make sure the cache points 2 the RAMDRIVE as well. If U got enough RAM, put the Windoze swap file on it as well (Windows native memory management is really bad). Also, make sure U have enough RAM so U don't have 2 constantly reload DLLs - stuff like 'Rambooster' just unloads DLLs, which then must B reloaded next time U use that 'window' that pulled them up in the first place, etc. I suggest at least 750mb 4 an editing machine - really makes a big difference. About 300MB will quickly fill with DLLs & shit, & make ya'self a nice 150mb swapfile there also. That leaves about 300mb 4 your 'workspace'. If U R editing full movies & stuff, better 2 get a commercial RAMDRIVE program & run a few more gigs. It's great because when U R cutting & pasting & whatever, nothing will slow it down - whereas drives need 2 seek.

B sure 2 CONSTANTLY save your work? I am Mr. 'alt>f>s' haha

Next thing - regarding Reaper - would B nice 2 have a 'use keyboard as smapler trigger' interface - & can use mouse as dual control - say, volume & pan - while playing & longer U hold a key, softer the volume. Faster, the louder. New thread time...

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By the way, system note - U can get my main mobo on Ebay 4 about $10. THe CPU - I dunno, probably $6. Hell U can buy a pallate full of about 40X 400mhz 'misclaneous' PCs in Ebay's 'wholesale lots' section usually 4 under $50 - yes, fifty dollars.

Meanwhile people will spend that on a silly CPU fan 4 their latest 'XP cripplecode heat waster CPU' LOL

Hell I even underclock mine so I can run it with the fan off. Yes that's correct - UNDERclock - like they do in a laptop Or really, what it SHOULD B clocked at in the first place. Stuff should run cool - not NEED a bunch of screaming-ass noisy fans on it. If U want a 1.5ghz, buy a 3ghz & cut the speed with the settings in half, then U will have a nice 'silent' AND even more reliable PC.

I've had my 'test PC' on for about 8 years straight. Asus makes reliable boards - at least as far as I've tried (just a few models). Mainly the caps - bla bla. Bad caps R bad news - usually when I C a burned mobo it's from those hot machines or cheap mobos.

The board I use also has a really crappy chipset- ALI - not as awful as VIA (nothing is worse than VIA) - but no Intel / AMD that's 4 sure )

OK now I'm ranting haha
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OH by the way, I bet the old Yamaha digital mixers run TRON OS - most Asian products do, such as anti-lock breaks in Hondas, cell phones, PDAs, etc - all TRON! It can run on PC as well. Ideally Reaper should B ported in some way 2 run directly on the Sony PS3 exokernel. That would simply kill every competitor out there - end of story. U probably really could do new & fascinating things at that point - like realy emulate a tube amp instead of all the harsh junk people lie & call 'emulators' these days HAHA

Oooh a rack of emulated fancy gear - how cool! Neves, Focusrites, Avalons, whatever - U can get close with that Waves tool 2 a Focusrite (pretty amazing).

More importantly though is 2 have say 30 channels or so all in very fast REALTIME so can play along more easily - play & mix 30 channels or so in realtime with no latency - then won't need N E outboard mixers, etc - run instruments, bla bla - PS3!!! Port this thing 2 PS3!!! Wheeee!
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I almost feel like I have been taken back to the late 70s/early 80s.

Colleagues would spend valuable girl-grabbing time down the pub arguing about the most efficient way to search an array.

I am far from cutting edge in terms of technology and Reaper does just fine for me. It does the job. That's enough. Now I can do what I want to do.

There are too many other things to worry about and do in life than sweat over whether I am getting every last drop out of my computer to be honest. And my time is more valuable than that.

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Given the low cost of power......why bother. I have $300 in my computer and it is runing 24+ tracks loaded wiht FX. I dont need more. Not that I dont think faster is better, its just not the end of it all.

Dude, it really isnt hard to type out "to" instead of 2, or "be" instead of B. Try it!
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:10 AM   #30
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No offense, but your quest to get the last .04% of processing power out of your system is pointless.

Given the fact that you have "freeze" functions and rendering of FX to conserve power, this is a null issue.

Besides, for most people, all those "fancy graphics" you're so worried about actually cause most people to work more efficiently. And if you don't think you'll be more inspired and creative looking at a screen with nice smooth edges and gradients than looking at a blocky Win95 interface, then you don't understand how the human brain works.

If you're truly looking for the ultimate in simplicity, you should be running the DOS version of Cakewalk 1.0 or 2.0 or something like that. Now you have NO GUI to get in your way at all. Why would you even be looking at new software if you're so concerned about everything being stripped down? You know they're adding more things to the mix.
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I am not here to argue whether stripping Reaper down 2 it's essence is a worthwhile endeavor. If you want bloatware bullshit, go post in the 'I Love Windows XP' forum or something LOL

U know, until a few years ago Yahoo's entire site was run on about 5 machines between 100-200Mhz. They all ran BSD 2.0 or something. Now, could do the same thing I suppose with NT or something - probably would take a hundred machines, & 5 guys 2 fiddle with it non-stop (like Myspace HAHA) 'cuz it's purposely loaded with bugs 2 generate service contracts. U know, like how cars break once the warranty expires

I guess I felt the urge 2 educate your asses. By the way, tried out Reaper today. Of course, most of it's features don't work - for example, all the 'Jesusonic' stuff gives 'page error' whatever. Guys, WTF R U trying 2 sell software 4 that is half bugs? Strip out the garbage & when it DOES work, THEN include it. I would B far happier with a program (N E 1 would really) that was all good solid stuff, with perhaps a clearly labeled 'experimental' section, rather than something where U never know if the next effin' thing U click is gonna' crash it! HAHAHAHAHA

What hacks! )

I probably will B sending U some $$$ regardless, if U add the 'square pan' feature like I yakked about. By the way, check out what I mean by stripped down. This thing is awesome. U guys could learn a lot from this program. Perhaps U guys should combine forces - I mean U Reaper writers & these Gizmo guys...

U know what else, all U slave fuckers trying 2 pretend it's nice 2 have junk - well get a clue. Snap out of it. This is about elevating technology - not USELESS cosmetic BULLSHIT.

Look & learn...

http://www.buzzle.de/dl/BUZZle_R76_deskCap.avi

Wow - so cool! Now THAT'S a cool trackking idea - vertical, with data-type information.

Hey speaking of 'dos programs' - U know that guy Aphex Twin, Thomas Dolby, etc - well Aphex (whatever he is) is a programmer. Thomas, back B 4 they even had MIDI - wes programming lighting equipment 2 play sequences LOL I'm not into synths - just a point, sometimes U gotta come up with unique solutions. U can try & buy yourself a 10GHZ PC & run lots of cool effects, or U can streamline the software & do it all on a 200mhz machine.

Also a question - Y do software reverbs still suck so bad??? I mean come on guys - buy yourself a $100 Sony TAE1000ESD off Ebay. An Alesis Midiverb II, or some Lexicons - I mean hell even the worst is night & day compared 2 this software NONSENSE! U write with your asses or what? Why the hell can an old Sony with two lil chips about the size of a pencil eraser (I know, I looked inside) do these fab natural reverbs, & your program on a fancy machine with literally 10,000 X the processing power sounds like absolute CRAP!!!! GET A GRIP!! GET WITH IT! Make it useful, or don't do it at all :P Hell the reberbs in the Buzz program sound much better than yours - perhaps it's because it's all in C??? U guys write in C or what? I am not a programmer - but I hear it's the best. I suspect your Reaper is in XML, like Winamp? U know - so U can do lots of skinnable nonsense. I did some math & looks like the thing takes about 38mhz per track - at least, that is the math I'm getting, even after stripping out all the bullshit meters. How come U can do full NTSC TV editing PLUS 2 track audio on my old 66mhz machine, & U guys can't even get 2 tracks of audio onto the same machine?

People shouldn't have 2 buy an effin' supercomputer 2 get a nice reverb. All 'puter verbs I've heard 2 date sound like crap. If U would like, let me know & I can send U some nice hardware verbs U can try & emulate They really do sound better than the others. Did U know that every Enya record uses the Alesis Midiverb II? Sure, it only has 2 good settings, but those R the 1s on the CDs! HAHA

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ultragod, is this a joke?

If not, please tell me your real name so i can write it down in order to let my possible future generations prevent mixing in with your DNA.
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Just wanted 2 point out especially 1 of the things I mentioned - the 'square pan' feature - where volume & pan can B controled simultaneously by clicking something & moving a point within a grid, is included in this freebie program...

http://www.buzzle.de/dl/BUZZle_R76_deskCap.avi

My jaw dropped I was all 'YEA! ' - now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Unfortunately, haven't figured out how 2 do multitrack recording with the sucker. Just started fiddling with it today. It's not as intuitive as Reaper, but damn U can sure do a lot of simultaneous effects, & they sound NICE!

Hey U know another interesting thing - that 'THX' format - ahve U heard of Gier Tjelta? He makes these really cool songs with this software - very gutsy kind of sounds they get out of this little emulator. I hear it's supposed 2 B something from the wayback machine, but just because something is old doesn't make it bad. I think a lot of the analog stuff sounds better - I mean, analog synths, instead of the smoothed-over glassy type sounds common in later synths.

I should upload that 'THX player' so U guys can have some idea WTF I'm talking about LOL )

I'm not into synths tho - looking 4 a tracker, & would B nice if had good verbs & dynamics processors on it. All the dynamics processors I've tried on puters suck compared 2 tubes, but hey I'm open 2 new things! Like computer reverb - would B nice if somebody wrote 1 that sounds good, but none of them do! I've heard more natural 'reverb' on the Buzz & THX! & the THX isn't even technically reverb - they get guitar sounds - incredible. Yea I should upload that. I will post when I do.
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actually, an X-Y type of panning/volume thing is cool -- even though i wouldnt know how it would be implemented without taking up alot of space --

and there was a DAW software out a year or so ago i remember, (no staff notation there either ) that had an entire field to mix in. The tracks were represented by colours and you move them around on a 3D grid that had pan and volume controls -- and the frequency content made them higher or lower... really cool actually.
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Anywho, I had a deep, illuminating, almost religious, experience this week concerning audio application interface:

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1

I watched the whole thing with my jaw wide open. Gotta be the most intuitive, efficient, user friendly, fun and musical GUI I ever laid my eyes on. Almost made me want to buy, even thought I'm not a singer and have relatively not much use for it.
cant agree with you more bullshark. Melodyne plugin is a pleasure to work with.
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ultragod, is this a joke?

If not, please tell me your real name so i can write it down in order to let my possible future generations prevent mixing in with your DNA.
Jason, take your silly nose & go buy a new '64 bit vista' system. Never mind an old piece of junk with 95 on it will B 6X faster, & cost U nothing (people give them away). Enjoy your 64 bit 'nobody even writes N E stuff 4 it yet but U simply must have it' system )

U worms crack me up - I mean, it's funny - like watching a junkie take a fix. U & your excuses 2 bloat your machines into molasses. "Oooh I want knurling on my" 'virtual mixer sliders' - IT'S AN EFFIN' COMPUTER U MORONS!!!! There R no sliders - it's pixels on a screen! Just make it quick & easy - a lil' vertical line is just fine - hello Buzz!
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first and last name please? any ancestry would help.
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:55 AM   #38
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Ultragod,

Some of us on here are getting on in years and it is very kind of you to remind us of the good old days. Well, to tell you the truth, the good old days were before I ever saw a computer - but you know what I mean.

These days I find I have to pick and choose what I have to worry about. There is, after all, so much to choose from and I sometimes forget stuff (which is worrying in itself).

I have to admit that the price of a PC or whatever is not something that has made it onto my priority list as yet.

After all, even a super-duper one with "go-faster" stripes down the side still costs less than a decent instrument. I know, I know, musical instruments are bloated crap and really I should just stretch a piece of string across an oil drum but I guess I am just wasteful. What a fool I am.

<<Edited in the spirit of the season>>

Yours sincerely,

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Old 01-11-2007, 05:34 PM   #39
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Now that's what I call entertainment! LOL!
Is this 'The return of Babya: The jaded 13-year old on crack strikes back starring Ultragod' ?
Episode I: Sendme A Roasted Chicken And Some Marmite

Ultragod,here's some good news for you - I've managed to get REAPER running on a *pure* Win95 before.It ran pretty well on my old Celeron 333 with 128MB of RAM,as you can see from the screenshot.It was taken from a much older version of REAPER (when it was still freeware/ beta) and the UI looks really sweet (Win95 look all the way - Windows sliders,retro buttons,no bloat).I just forgot to disable the waveform display.The fader artwork can also be disabled so you get all sliders to look like those two in the lower right corner of the TCP.Check out those nice windows zoom sliders.

[EDIT] Here it is:
http://www.stashbox.org/uploads/1148...r_on_win95.png

Do you see the version of REAPER displayed on the titlebar?
Brings back memories of the good old beta days.

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ultragod, I feel you, deeply...


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