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Old 10-08-2018, 11:01 AM   #1
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Default Any thoughts on Haiku (operating system)?

There seems to be some progress lately on Haiku. Brian Lunduke talked about it a bit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-tm7lxHDyE

I remember taking a look at it some years ago, but the alpha releases seemed to be creeping along ever so slowly. It's now in beta.

Highlights: Single user os; multimedia centric; responsive performance.

The sound system is OSS.

It might end up making for a nice os for daw purposes.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:20 AM   #2
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I tried Haiku a couple of times a while ago. It always felt as a promising OS, but lacking a lot because it was in early stages and always moving along sooo slow. It still is indeed. Very small manpower behind.

It's still looking like a 90s OS not only in the graphics side (It hugely reminds me my Mac OS 9.2!) That's good and bad. Bad because it looks anything but polished, but this is where the good part comes in. Those basic unrefined graphics will never eat up your resources. I love that.

The problem with this and other obscure OSs is commonly hardware support. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that this could be a show stopper for a dedicated DAW system. Also, software. I guess there won't be a lot of audio packages ported to Haiku.

Thanks for the reminder, anyway. I saw in the video that some nice stuff has been ported, like the full Calligra office suite (that I hugely prefer over LibreOffice but you need to bring KDE in on Linux. Not on Haiku... Great!) I really want to give it a go once again, and even already considering to replace MX for Haiku on my old dad's computer. He's 83 and needing something very simple and easy to use.
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It might end up making for a nice os for daw purposes.
Tascam had the same idea about twenty years ago. That's what got us the SX1...

I downloaded Haiku again, since it's been a few years since I looked at it, but haven't installed it yet.

Obviously, applications are the key.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:18 AM   #4
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I discovered BeOS around 1995 and got excited at the prospect of using it as a DAW platform.
It's been 29 years and I'm still hoping that someone will develop a music production app on Haiku; the (painfully slow) development of which I've been following since its inception.

Obviously this kind of move would require a sea change in the industry but a man can dream, can't he?
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I remember BeOS, or was it BSD? Anyway, the demo showed multiple videos running smoothly at the same time while Windows was incapable of doing anything close. It was exciting to see, but all these years later...nothing.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:40 AM   #6
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I remember BeOS, or was it BSD? Anyway, the demo showed multiple videos running smoothly at the same time while Windows was incapable of doing anything close. It was exciting to see, but all these years later...nothing.
No it wasn't BSD, it was brand new. If I recall correctly it was a candidate for Apple's "future" OS but the last minute they went with Job's OS from NeXT to what we know today as macOS. Nowadays some of the developers of BeOS work for Google's Fuchsia.

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Old 06-15-2019, 08:31 AM   #7
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I did a little reading over on the Haiku forum. It seems that Haiku doesn't have gpu acceleration yet. That is going to be a big deal for most people. But I'm keeping an eye on Haiku. Some things that I don't like about Linux is that it tries to be way too many things for way too many uses, and the endless forking, lack of consistency and cohesion, and generally spotty documentation. A solid desktop operating system that isn't Windows would be great. And I think it would be attractive from a developer point of view, having a single API. So I wonder what the likely timeframe for gpu acceleration is, and what the realtime performance is.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:57 AM   #8
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I've been keeping an eye on Haiku too. For far too long, I'm afraid.

Your answer is BSD. Concise and complete documentation. Doesn't try to do everything, but what it does, just works. Very, very knowledgeable community. Secure out of the box...
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https://distrotest.net/Haiku
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I had no idea that exists. Pretty cool idea, although I think it's too slow to really check out a distro os.
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I've been keeping an eye on Haiku too. For far too long, I'm afraid.

Your answer is BSD. Concise and complete documentation. Doesn't try to do everything, but what it does, just works. Very, very knowledgeable community. Secure out of the box...
It kind of does do the same things as Linux (server, workstation, embedded, etc.). I never properly dug into any BSD, but I have read good things, some of which you mentioned.

Haiku seems to be something different altogether: A true media workstation os. I would like to see it develop at a faster pace and mature.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:43 AM   #12
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A bit from the old wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20060219..._complaint.pdf

And: https://www.beincorporated.com/press...ettlement.html
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I had no idea that exists. Pretty cool idea, although I think it's too slow to really check out a distro os.
Thought you'd appreciate that

Yeah I pretty sure it can't handle too many connections but very cool idea.
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Not Haiku, but came across a Linux for smartphones. Had no idea that existed:

https://postmarketos.org/

There are several others, but thos usually install on top of Android. Postmarket OS replaces Android.
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Not Haiku, but came across a Linux for smartphones. Had no idea that existed:

https://postmarketos.org/

There are several others, but thos usually install on top of Android. Postmarket OS replaces Android.
Never heard of this. I'll be keeping an eye on it.
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We long achingly
For DAWs on Haiku OS
How long must we wait?

Reaper on Haiku
For the time being we must
make do with Windows
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:14 PM   #19
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Why are we speaking
of operating systems
that are not Linux

in a subforum
with the specific title
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:30 PM   #20
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Haiku subforum
Does not yet exist and you
Gotta start somewhere
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Haiku and Linux seem to be closely related (sharing a decent amount of code).

Very obviously they will share a lot of the "political" obstacles.

Hence I suppose a dedicated subforum does notmake much sense.
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Haiku and Linux seem to be closely related (sharing a decent amount of code).
They have nothing to do with each other.

From haiku-os.org: Is Haiku based on Linux?
Haiku is not a Linux distribution, nor does it use the Linux kernel.


It has some compatibility with POSIX (effectively a standardized Unix spec that predates Linux by several years), but that doesn't mean much - OSX is certified as being POSIX-compliant too.
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From haiku-os.org: Is Haiku based on Linux?
Haiku is not a Linux distribution, nor does it use the Linux kernel.
Yep.

The German Wikipedia states that Haihu shares some source code with BSD and Linux.
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I'll go with the official page over Wikipedia. They're almost certainly using open-source code that was created by Linux or BSD projects, but that doesn't mean much.
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On the contrary. It's perfectly viable and legal under GPL.

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On the contrary. It's perfectly viable and legal under GPL.
There are references on Wikipedia. You can check the sources.
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The German Wikipedia states that Haihu shares some source code with BSD and Linux.
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It wouldn't make sense to do everything from scratch, like the C and C++ standard libraries and the common Unixy tool programs. But the crucial part, the OS kernel is different, and that makes Haiku incompatible with Linux at some important respects. For example device drivers need to be written separately for Haiku and that's a massive obstacle for Haiku to ever gain any popularity.

No GPU acceleration of any kind for the graphics...? Sorry to say but that's a joke. Even my 100 euro smart phone from 2015 has GPU acceleration. That's a thing they should have thought about from the beginning of the project. (Obviously, the GPU manufacturers are notorious for not co-operating with anyone else but companies like Microsoft, Google and Apple...)
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