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11-29-2018, 03:35 PM
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Help needed -- vocal effects
Can anyone point me to how they'd go about aiming for a lead vocal effects chain similar to what's on this track (Stereo MCs "Connected")? Not the autopanning, just the reverb(s) or delays.
I have a pretty basic Reaper setup, with the stock plugins as well as the Bricasti M7 convolution 'verbs. When I try to get a similar vocal sound, it just ends up sounding too obvious, too wet. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMGdRgtblmk
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12-01-2018, 09:21 PM
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Alrighty, so thanks for the help. Jesus. Wrong forum?
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12-02-2018, 03:11 AM
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Can anyone point me to how they'd go about aiming for a lead vocal effects chain similar to what's on this track (Stereo MCs "Connected")? Not the autopanning, just the reverb(s) or delays.
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ello- so,what do you have right now__chain wise?
try to give an example of your sound/fx as it stands right now-- quite like a bit of the 'ol stereo mc's..
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12-02-2018, 03:32 AM
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Hi.
First you could try eq. ReaEq is a great tool. Try filtering out the unwanted lows, HPF ( high pass filter ) , sweep this till you get some nice clean vocals without removing too much above the 120 , 150 Hz...keep going on eq with subtle adjustments for mid range presence and sweet top end. (on you example , Stereo MC´s ) some LPF ( low pass filter) was applied to the vocal.
Before compressor i would recommend you to automate the all vocal track, use the automation tool of your DAW for volume. takes up about 20m for the all track but you will be happy with this. Its useful for the next steps.
Follow that with a VCA style compressor just to tame to very top peaks on you track. Some LA 2A is nice. I found the UAD one great but waves has this LA2A that works great. Match the levels! before compression and after copression should be the same. Unless you want some boost here.
Next you can use some color eq, like SSL or Neve style Eq. there are many free you can search and download. Even the JS ones are ok . The plugin are not eye candy but they sound great.
Next you go for another type of compression, FET style, something like 1176 would go OK on this. Don´t take more than 1.5 to 2 dB´s on each compressor.´
Right now you should be OK to start sending you vocals to an FX buses
Create 3 or 4 bus tracks, 2 revers and two delays. You can use a short room verb just to bring out some happiness on you vocal track, the second reverb can be a bit longer, 50 ms pre delay, 1.9 s Reverb time, some damping to clean the top end harshness. Eq the reverb, take out some low end and high end, make suite your vocal!
On the delay side you create two different type, a slap back, around 100 ms or less should be fine and the other delay make it 1/4 note or 1/8 note, its up to taste and for your song.
Send your vocal in small amounts of you vocal to the FX to see which one or the combination of some is good for your song.
Always listen the vocals in the context of the song, too much time soloing tracks makes it hard to have a balanced mix, instruments must play together right!? Its Always about the song!!!
You could also try parallel compression, by either using a send of you vocal to a bus and use a "strong" compressor on this one and bring in the fader to taste and see how it goes with the lead main vocal or you could simply duplicate the vocal track and then apply the hard compressor for this. I tend to use one 1176 for this, works great, fast attack, fast release 4:1 ratio.
Hope i explain well.
This is my method, many will come with some other ideas, but this is a basic setup.
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12-02-2018, 08:21 AM
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Only listened for a minute but sort of sounds to me like a LFO controlling the pan, vocal feeding an analog delay and only the delayed signal feeding a spring reverb type sound. If that is anywhere close, the fact the delay is the thing hitting the reverb and not necessarily the direct vocal would be why it sounds too obvious if you just throw reverb on the vocal directly.
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12-03-2018, 09:19 AM
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Lots of good stuff to consider, thanks to all. I'll mess with it tonight.
I was thinking that I might be hitting the reverb "too soon" which is somewhat in line with the idea of putting 'verb on the delayed signal.
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12-03-2018, 03:36 PM
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It sounds like the delay is synced up with the beat. So, the reflections come in on time.
That's easy to accomplish with some basic math:
http://musicproductionhq.com/how-to-...nchronization/
That is just one small component of the sound. Looks like you've got some other ideas to work with as well.
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12-06-2018, 01:14 PM
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Yes, I've used that 60,000 / bpm to get delay (in milliseconds) for years.
I think the thing here is that I don't have enough predelay on the vocal reverb. Matching the predelay to the delay (or triggering the reverb off the delay) should work better. Unfortunately, I have yet to get a few moments to try it. Maybe tonight.
By the way, how would I put a 'verb just on the delayed signal? Use a bus of some sort?
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12-06-2018, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjazz
By the way, how would I put a 'verb just on the delayed signal? Use a bus of some sort?
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Yea, make a track for the delay and place a reverb after the delay in the delay track's FX chain. Then route the vox to the delay track. You could also...
Create a track for the delay and a separate track for the verb. Route the vocal to the delay track, then route the delay track to the verb. So many ways, so little time.
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