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Old 09-28-2021, 10:14 AM   #1
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Hello!

I've got a Zoom H-5 recorder, interesting device, but for some reason when I try to record anything with internal capsule mics via usb audio the output gives that strange sound.

I can't explain what is wrong with the sound but it's like the sound is splitted with chorus/phasing effect

You can hear it in these two examples
Mid setting
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q8R...ew?usp=sharing
Side setting
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Byq...ew?usp=sharing


I've searched and came across a few threads that has this issue
https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_Studi...ecording_zoom/

but mostly it seems unresolved

Also I've tested it with the other PC and there was the same issue, so it's about the device I think.


I would want to record an acoustic guitar with that, but it seem to be pretty hard to do with that sound involved.

Anyone has any ideas?

thanks.

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Old 09-28-2021, 03:51 PM   #2
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this only happens in USB mode?
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this only happens in USB mode?
yes
I can't see any other way how to record it
the zoom has a flash card recording, but it would be hard to get each recorded take out of flash drive to listen if I played it correctly or not..
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From a gearslutz (now gearspace) thread. According to Zoom:

"Unfortunately, when using the H5 as an Audio Interface the audio quality is not as good as standalone. Specifically, the is a "warble" or noticeable degradation. This is a design limitation of the H5. It outperforms itself in standalone compared to audio interface. It is not really a bug or problem that can be solved. More just that's the quality of the unit as an audio interface."

Pretty ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/a/pQQn1P9


Original thread: https://gearspace.com/board/music-co...istortion.html
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i would try to import that recording into Reaper and split the stereo into two tracks left and right channel.

Then zoom in into the wave of both and look for phase shifting.
May be you can move one item a bit forward to fit it to the other.

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Old 09-29-2021, 12:47 AM   #6
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From a gearslutz (now gearspace) thread. According to Zoom:

"Unfortunately, when using the H5 as an Audio Interface the audio quality is not as good as standalone. Specifically, the is a "warble" or noticeable degradation. This is a design limitation of the H5. It outperforms itself in standalone compared to audio interface. It is not really a bug or problem that can be solved. More just that's the quality of the unit as an audio interface."

Pretty ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/a/pQQn1P9


Original thread: https://gearspace.com/board/music-co...istortion.html
well it explains it then, guess nothing to do about it, gonna figure out how to use it with the flash drive.

thanks for the info!
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i would try to import that recording into Reaper and split the stereo into two tracks left and right channel.

Then zoom in into the wave of both and look for phase shifting.
May be you can move one item a bit forward to fit it to the other.

If you have the chance to find an RME Babyface, get it.
hello!

I don't think that is necessary since the warble is on both channels!
it's kinda baked into recording..
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yes
I can't see any other way how to record it
the zoom has a flash card recording, but it would be hard to get each recorded take out of flash drive to listen if I played it correctly or not..
Is the headphone jack broken?
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Is the headphone jack broken?
no, but most of the time you would want to listen the recording with the actual song together so you know if you played on beat or not.

but this way the Reaper and recording will be separate
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It sounds like a design flaw that manifests as the two channels being offset over USB. Some early digital devices ended up doing stuff like using a single channel data path and sending one channel at a time. Transmit L channel sample, store it, transmit R channel sample, pass the stored L + the R. If it works standalone but not as an interface, maybe they screwed up their offsets?

Record a loopback test with some wave peak samples. If you see a consistent offset you can calibrate for that. Either pull up a JS time adjuster plugin for the track in question or nudge that channel audio after you record from it.

Check for a driver too. Maybe it needs a proprietary driver to handle the timing but runs with an offset with a class compliant driver (stock OS driver).
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no, but most of the time you would want to listen the recording with the actual song together so you know if you played on beat or not.

but this way the Reaper and recording will be separate
Ah, sorry, I didn't know you want to multitrack!
(But I've even done this: playback is on the smartphone with headphones. You hold the headphone with a click in front of the Zoom, then put it on your ears and start recording along the playback. Not exactly practical, but doable if need be)
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Hello!

I've got a Zoom H-5 recorder, interesting device, but for some reason when I try to record anything with internal capsule mics via usb audio the output gives that strange sound.

I can't explain what is wrong with the sound but it's like the sound is splitted with chorus/phasing effect

You can hear it in these two examples
Mid setting
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q8R...ew?usp=sharing
Side setting
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Byq...ew?usp=sharing


I've searched and came across a few threads that has this issue
https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_Studi...ecording_zoom/

but mostly it seems unresolved

Also I've tested it with the other PC and there was the same issue, so it's about the device I think.


I would want to record an acoustic guitar with that, but it seem to be pretty hard to do with that sound involved.

Anyone has any ideas?

thanks.
As I recall this is a firmware issue. Or it may be the ASIO driver. Have you updated to the latest for both of these? I think there was a period when an incorrect version of either the firmware or driver was released but that has been resolved. It's at least worth a try.

https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-...h5/h5-support/

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As I recall this is a firmware issue. Or it may be the ASIO driver. Have you updated to the latest for both of these? I think there was a period when an incorrect version of either the firmware or driver was released but that has been resolved. It's at least worth a try.

https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-...h5/h5-support/

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hello!

yes I tried installing the latest drivers and firmware.
I've also tried recording on a different PC.

I even tried a native VST plugin, but the sound has the same dithering.
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