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03-23-2013, 07:38 PM
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Looks like we might have fades & xfades working - still searching for the clip gain
Lots and lots still to do
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03-23-2013, 07:49 PM
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here's a clue: it'll be in the last place you look
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03-23-2013, 07:55 PM
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here's a clue: it'll be in the last place you look
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No doubt about that! LOL
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03-23-2013, 11:17 PM
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Does your AATranslator do Reaper to Harrison MixBus on Windows7? I would love that, would simplify using MixBus as a final mixer.
I checked your site, if I understand the Excel sheet, looks like it does work onnMac and Linux, any future plans for Windows?
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03-23-2013, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by roygbiv
Does your AATranslator do Reaper to Harrison MixBus on Windows7? I would love that, would simplify using MixBus as a final mixer.
I checked your site, if I understand the Excel sheet, looks like it does work onnMac and Linux, any future plans for Windows?
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That Excel sheet is very complex but needs to be due to the amount of detail so it can be a little confusing I guess.
Mixbus is based on the Ardour session format ie it saves the session as a .ardour file and it also expects the audio to be in a certain subfolder.
Coincidentally the $59 version of AAT will convert an RPP to a .ardour file for use by MixBus.
How do I know this?
I actually purchased MixBus and just converted an RPP to MixBus on a Win7 x64 PC ;-)
AAT runs natively under Windows XP or greater but will run just fine on a Mac under Wine and other PC emulators
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03-23-2013, 11:47 PM
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Wow, cool
How well does the translation go-could I just freezes the tracks in Reaper (to apply whatever effects/VSTis, etc),then import the whole project into Harrisonand with one click and start mixing?
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03-24-2013, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by roygbiv
Wow, cool
How well does the translation go-could I just freezes the tracks in Reaper (to apply whatever effects/VSTis, etc),then import the whole project into Harrisonand with one click and start mixing?
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It can go any way you like.
You can :-
1. render your tracks applying any fx you have on those tracks
or
2. just convert as is (no rendering) and you lose your fx and just re-apply the fx in MixBus (I haven't tried but I assume the Reaper vsts work in MixBus)
Obviously if you use AAT you get the benefit of maintaining the flexibility of keeping any seperate clips, markers, track names, envelopes,fades & xfades, clip gain and even bus routing from memory.
But you don't need AAT if you are going with option 1 IMO
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03-28-2013, 04:16 AM
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Damn right again hopi!
Clip gain pointer was right where it should have been - the most logical place and the last place I expected Avid to put it.
I think they may have tumbled my game
Edit: BTW I have found where the track automation is kept - just have to work out a logical way of getting to it ;-)
Edit2: Hmmm by the look of this PTX it seems that PT10 might have the equivalent of a clip envelope as well as clip gain
BTW anyone know what the possible range is for clip gain in PT10 (ie the min and max db values)?
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03-28-2013, 05:20 AM
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Maximum clip gain is +36 dB .
Clips can have a clip gain envelope, which can be hidden though it's still active then(@Cockos *HINT*), and is separate from the clip gain parameter.
The clip gain envelope upper limit is +12 dB by default. It may or may not follow the preference of having +12 or +6 (for backwards compatibility to Protools 5 & 6 iirc). +12 is the default. So it's probably the exact same as a track volume&trim envelopes
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03-28-2013, 05:35 AM
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Great thanks for that
36db seems like a lot but hey at least I can deal with it though not too many other daws will ;-)
This PTX conversion is humming along - if you have access to our beta site feel free to try our latest (v5.6.19)
After I find my Easter eggs (I'm now old enough to hide my own) I'll tackle the clip envelopes (just need a couple of simple examples to see how they reference the offset of the keyframe point)
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03-31-2013, 01:10 AM
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PTX conversion is really moving but still looking for more real life PTX examples.
In the meantime to relieve the boredom we have added a function to read Pyramix XML files.
The Easter fun just doesn't stop
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03-31-2013, 02:50 AM
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What do you exactly need?
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03-31-2013, 04:12 AM
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What do you exactly need?
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What I need is some example PTXs.
Specifically:-
1. Any assorted real-life PTXs (no media needed) essentially to ensure we don't crash because of something unforseen.
2. Some specific test PTXs :-
- Single track with single mono clip and track pan & mute automation
- Single track with single stereo clip and track pan & mute automation
- Single track with single stereo clip and track volume automation
- 2 tracks with a clip on each and one track muted
- 2 tracks with a clip on each and one track soloed
- ptx containing a video, instrument & audio track with a video & audio clip
- single track with 3 or 4 clips and xfades between each clip (a mono & stereo example)
- any other examples you think we should be dealing with
Any screen dumps showing a timeline in samples would be good along with any EDL txt files fom PT showing some detail of the session content would help.
I don't expect all of that and I know its a pain but any assistance would make progress a lot faster.
Sonnie if you want access to our beta site so you can see how we are progressing with our PTX conversion then just email me for details
Thanks
M
Edit: An example of a stretched clip or 2 would be good (I have the pitch part covered) but would need some exact details in samples as to the original size of the clip and the stretched size
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03-31-2013, 04:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Runaway
What I need is some example PTXs.
Specifically:-
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√ Any assorted real-life PTXs (no media needed) essentially to ensure we don't crash because of something unforseen.
2. Some specific test PTXs :-
√ Single track with single mono clip and track pan & mute automation
√ Single track with single stereo clip and track pan & mute automation
√ Single track with single stereo clip and track volume automation
√ 2 tracks with a clip on each and one track muted
√ 2 tracks with a clip on each and one track soloed
X ptx containing a video, instrument & audio track with a video & audio clip
√ single track with 3 or 4 clips and xfades between each clip (a mono & stereo example)
X any other examples you think we should be dealing with
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Let me have a try. Give me a hour, and I'll send you an e-mail
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03-31-2013, 05:16 AM
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Appreciate it
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03-31-2013, 05:47 AM
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you got mail.
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03-31-2013, 06:07 AM
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you got mail.
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Downloading now - I suspect that this will be the easiest part of this exercise
Edit: Woo Hoo!
Track pan automation & track mute automation is now converting just fine - more to come as I wade through sonnie's excellent PTX files
Thanks again sonnie
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04-08-2013, 08:23 AM
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I'm struggling now to find things worth converting from the PTX files:-
Looks like we just nailed PTX fade types and we already had track automation, clip gain and clip envelopes plus we seem to have the whole 'overlapped clips' concept covered as well as vast improvement in dealing with grouped clips (but not grouped clips that are themselves grouped).
Some testing and a bright coat of paint and we can push it out the door ;-)
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04-09-2013, 04:50 AM
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Here's an idea you may have already though of for converting PTX to Reaper sessions.
Protools can do +36 dB of clip gain.
For anything above +24dB(Reapers max item gain) I suggest you use the Take volume.
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04-09-2013, 08:20 AM
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There are few daws that can handle 12 or 15db per clip let alone 36db
Then of course you throw in possibly adding 12db of track auto and 12db of clip envelopes to their 36db and you would think that if they are adding that much gain then they really need to review their recording practices LOL
There are no easy answers plus we have to consider what we do for all the other daws as well
Just spent the day on PT grouped clips and all I can see is hex - I have to consult with JL on this when I can think straight
Thanks airon
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04-09-2013, 09:00 AM
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Runaway, if there is anything (ptx) you'll need, just say it. Do you have to start from the scratch when PT11 arrives?
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04-09-2013, 09:07 AM
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Runaway, if there is anything (ptx) you'll need, just say it. Do you have to start from the scratch when PT11 arrives?
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Thanks Sonnie I certainly will - pretty sure all we need now is lots of testing ;-)
I would think that they would change their scrambling method but probably not because they probably didn't think anyone was going to get into their pt10 ones.
I haven't seen what is in 11 yet but I strongly suspect that we can knock over PT11 pretty quick but I have been wrong before ;-)
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04-09-2013, 09:56 AM
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and just for the record, Mike... you have been right before too!
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04-09-2013, 07:50 PM
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Hopi you are a card - and you need to be dealt with
LOL
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04-10-2013, 12:08 AM
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slapsmehead and rotflmao... GOOD shot!
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04-10-2013, 05:28 AM
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Hi
I've only just recently started using AAT and new here on the forum - hi .
My Logic 9.18 project was buggy/crashed while exporting OMF so I was only able to export as AAF.
Using AAT I'm not able to end up with stereo interleaved files from the split mono .wavs. These are stock standard mono splits from logic but with the "combine split mono" option enabled in AAT, translations to both reaper and protools still end up messy with split monos everywhere and no markers kept.
What am I missing?
Cheers
Ben
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04-10-2013, 09:32 AM
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Hey Ben,
Just email me directly via the aatranslator web site and we will see what we can sort out for you.
AAF is a bigger dog's breakfast than OMF and at present we don't extract markers but send me the AAF (or if that one is too big just create a smaller test one) and I will see what we can do to remedy the marker situation.
The "combine split mono" option at this point combines them (if it can) and puts the stereo files in a sub folder called "Stereo". At this point they are not referenced in the session.
As I recall Logic also exports OpenTL & FCP xml - either of which offer far more content detail than the ridiculously complex OMF & AAF formats.
Maybe give either one of those a try?
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04-10-2013, 09:39 AM
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The price of AAT is insanely low. I can't imagine anyone taking in musical projects from random walk-ins or ftp not buying it and having it on stand-by.
I'm a little astonished that some enterprising coder didn't do it 10 years ago and sell it for $300 a pop. I know I keep saying it, but when it comes to coding "utility apps", these kinds of 'wide open spaces' for good product placements seem to be rather rare.
Good coders all over the planet are probably literally kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. I wish I had.
Any casual coder will tell you that we literally sit in front of empty code projects trying to think about that "sure thing" that we know will sell... and Michael found it.
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04-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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So Lawrence are you saying I should put the price up to $300 ?
You think you wished you'd thought of it - trust me, be really thankful you didn't
Now if it was something really useful like Angry Birds or .....
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04-10-2013, 10:14 AM
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So Lawrence are you saying I should put the price up to $300 ?
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I'm saying ...
"Good luck trying to find anything that does all that for less than $300... if it was $300."
... which is how companies will more typically place things in the market, against the competition, of which there seems to actually be none at all in this case.
Of course, we're all very, very happy that it's not $300.
More on point, I paid $500 for an MBox. I would have easily paid $300 instead back then, just to translate PT projects to Cubase format or whatever... and saved $200.
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Lol. I'm already sitting on one really good idea that's beyond my personal coding skill. I really don't know what to do with it. I'm literally afraid that if I source it out I'll get kicked out of the loop at some point. I know the market is a sure thing, I just can't code it myself.
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04-10-2013, 10:32 AM
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I'm already sitting on one really good idea that's beyond my personal coding skill. I really don't know what to do with it. I'm literally afraid that if I source it out I'll get kicked out of the loop at some point. I know the market is a sure thing, I just can't code it myself.
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I know what you mean - but maybe you will surprise yourself.
3:30am - I need to be asleep before the rest of the world wakes up
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04-11-2013, 05:17 AM
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I'm a little astonished that some enterprising coder didn't do it 10 years ago and sell it for $300 a pop.
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Rail Rogut did exactly that with EDL Convert which became ProConvert under SSL's ownership. I must admit that I found AATranslator's try before you buy policy more friendly and I've since bought a copy though it only gets used occasionally.
James.
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04-11-2013, 06:59 AM
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though it only gets used occasionally.
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Don't worry it doesn't require refrigeration and should remain fresh for some time
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04-11-2013, 07:07 AM
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Rail Rogut did exactly that with EDL Convert which became ProConvert under SSL's ownership. I must admit that I found AATranslator's try before you buy policy more friendly and I've since bought a copy though it only gets used occasionally.
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Oh yeah, I actually forgot about $599 ProConvert.
I wonder what a session converter "shootout" might look like between those two. Sounds like an interesting Mix Mag article or something.
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04-11-2013, 07:10 AM
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Just emailed you, cheers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Runaway
Hey Ben,
Just email me directly via the aatranslator web site and we will see what we can sort out for you.
AAF is a bigger dog's breakfast than OMF and at present we don't extract markers but send me the AAF (or if that one is too big just create a smaller test one) and I will see what we can do to remedy the marker situation.
The "combine split mono" option at this point combines them (if it can) and puts the stereo files in a sub folder called "Stereo". At this point they are not referenced in the session.
As I recall Logic also exports OpenTL & FCP xml - either of which offer far more content detail than the ridiculously complex OMF & AAF formats.
Maybe give either one of those a try?
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04-11-2013, 10:17 AM
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Logic is not really very co-operative when it comes to import/export and it seems that not only do they not put markers in their OpenTL export but there doesn't seem to be any reference to markers in their AAF either.
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04-21-2013, 09:01 AM
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Hey there, just got an idea. Whats about implementing a batch-list?
FYI: I just converted a "real life" ptx to rpp (latest beta). works quite well, exept, that every stereo track (p.e. track1) is now track1_L and track1_R with the same stereo item and no panning. also the automation converted very good, but the overall mixer-volume for each track is now +/- zero again.
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04-21-2013, 05:56 PM
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Hey Sonnie
Probably best you send me that PTX so I can check it out BUT...
internally a PTX is the same as a PTF when it comes to stereo tracks - they are 2 mono tracks with different pan automation.
Our latest beta is v5.6.71 and AFAIK track automation is very good - happy to check out and fix anything to the contrary.
We have thought about recombining the split stereo tracks but there are significant issues when the tracks have complex pan automation (as opposed to just pan left & right) - plus there is a lot of jiggery & pokery to pull that off.
I guess we can explore this further maybe as an option
Hmmmmm....
Anyway send me the ptx please
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04-21-2013, 06:11 PM
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Aha.
Well, Reaper does have a dual-pan mode that you could use for such tracks. You may need to verify which panning rule to use for the track however. Protools 10 and up use -2.5dB AFAIK, but Sonnie might know for sure. In PT that's specified in the Session setup.
I did a test run of a session with some clip gain files, and it worked out nicely.
By and far, the most horrifying mess are the dual mono monstrocities that I receive from Media Composer editors. I still use Protools 9 to convert AAF files from the Media Composer.
Small tips for other PT->Reaper users.
When importing AAFs in to Protools, copy all media so MXF media becomes a WAV. May not great for field recorder workflows, but those guys use PT only anyway.
Also, if you really must import all the automation from the media composer, CHECK that automation on the dual-mono tracks THOROUGHLY. Reaper, bless it, isn't the best to deal with envelopes quickly, unlike PT I'm sorry to say. Clean up the pan envelopes in Protools before converting to Reaper. That would have saved me time yesterday and lots of cursing.
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04-21-2013, 07:33 PM
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I can confirm that pan depth default for PT 10 is -2.5. Sonnie, if you would like the Reaper faders to follow the automation then set them to one of the active automation modes (ie. Read for starters). This will put them back to the current automation values.
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