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Old 03-17-2019, 10:59 PM   #41
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maybe i am telling non sense, but maybe there could be an option to reaper create a background/ transparent VCA on the sends so that the dry / wet ratio don't get lost!?
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:31 PM   #42
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maybe i am telling non sense, but maybe there could be an option to reaper create a background/ transparent VCA on the sends so that the dry / wet ratio don't get lost!?
They don't get lost using VCA, they get lost using folders with sends on the children. If you're asking for that on folders, the answer is "use VCA for that."
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:42 PM   #43
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They don't get lost using VCA, they get lost using folders with sends on the children. If you're asking for that on folders, the answer is "use VCA for that."
that is what i was trying to say/ment , .. if the sends dry/wet ratio on the children of the folder gets lost , .. maybe reaper could do something like a "background/transparent" VCA so they don't get lost!
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:43 PM   #44
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That would not be a good idea.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:44 PM   #45
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without a justification your answer feels empty to me. Do you mind telling why?
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:46 PM   #46
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without a justification your answer feels empty to me. Do you mind telling why?
It's a super old and common request which was basically responded to in the form of VCA. End of story.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:47 PM   #47
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Because folders are not meant to adjust the send levels of the children. They just sum tracks coming into it. That's their function. Want to adjust the sends of the children tracks? The answer already exists.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:53 PM   #48
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i'd like an action "create VCAs to sends" or an option "create automatically VCA on sends" . . something like that. Might be stupid .. i hate to create vca everytime in order to keep dry / wet ratio . dealing with sends in reaper already quite boring (because of lack something like this: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=206185)... plus having to create VCAs everytime... Boring ++
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:58 PM   #49
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There's a script made by Sexan which makes a VCA for track selection. Combine that with an action that creates a folder from selected tracks and that's it.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:11 AM   #50
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by your words seems simple! can you combine them and post it here?
so i guess what i am asking: "would not be a good idea" or is an "End of story" is not really true.

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Old 03-18-2019, 12:31 AM   #51
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Yes, as in changing the behavior of folders in Reaper would indeed be a bad idea and as such since VCAs are implemented it's end of story, but if you want to have your own custom behavior, by all means use scripts and custom actions.

Feel free to do it yourself, I need to get back to the rest of my day
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:37 AM   #52
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Yes, as in changing the behavior of folders in Reaper would indeed be a bad idea and as such since VCAs are implemented it's end of story, but if you want to have your own custom behavior, by all means use scripts and custom actions.

Feel free to do it yourself, I need to get back to the rest of my day
1) you are free to proove it is very simple as you pray and what you doing is: "wash one's hands" : end of story

2) this is a request thread

3) i am always free to try by my self

4) not every user can do it

5) if something is useful for manny should be supported natively
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:02 AM   #53
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Cockos doesn't change existing behavior without very good reasons, so I'd piu my hopes on an original idea in its own thread. Here, your ideas might get lost. It might also be a good idea for a script, so try presenting your problem in the JS/Reascript section as well. That has solved some of my problems. I even wrote some stuff myself to solve issues I had.



By the way, we're testing VCA stacking in the pre-release forum section btw. Should be fun.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:53 AM   #54
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If I understand deeb correctly, what he's asking is something like a checkbox in tracks routing menu:
- "Control send volume on child tracks" for a folder track, or
- "Apply folder's volume gain to this send" for a track send (like a VCA option that affects only the send volume of the slave)

This would solve the single biggest issue with folder tracks. Changing the volume on folder track would affect send volume of its child tracks (wet/dry ratio of reverb would be preserved).

A single checkbox could replace a more complex setup using VCAs (it's not really complex, but still, it's more work).
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:05 AM   #55
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If I understand deeb correctly, what he's asking is something like a checkbox in tracks routing menu:
- "Control send volume on child tracks" for a folder track, or
- "Apply folder's volume gain to this send" for a track send (like a VCA option that affects only the send volume of the slave)

This would solve the single biggest issue with folder tracks. Changing the volume on folder track would affect send volume of its child tracks (wet/dry ratio of reverb would be preserved).

A single checkbox could replace a more complex setup using VCAs
i think you got it! a check box seems even better then action or option.

An option to always enable that checkbox would be also nice then.

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(it's not really complex, but still, it's more work).
yep and repetitive ..


Thank you for the checkbox idea!
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:30 AM   #56
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Guys, if you don't get why VCAs are important, please watch/read:

http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/20...dp-10-vca.html

It's in the context of Digital Performer, but it applies 100% to REAPER. Fader groups, folders, sends etc... are not replacements for VCAs and I explain why in a hopefully clear manner.

Please also see this thread: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=218417 and its ongoing testing.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:20 PM   #57
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VCAs are much more powerful, no question.

But I don't see a problem with also improving folders. If it would fix the biggest drawback of folders, why not.

Having said that, I think the folders discussion should really move to another thread as this threads was kind of hijacked.

To get back on topic, the VCA chaining OP was asking about is already being implemented. Thank you developers!
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:41 PM   #58
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yes should be out in his own thread! please start the thread if you don't mind!
Thank you!
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:29 PM   #59
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While you guys are working within the grouping and VCA bits in Reaper, is there any possibility that you guys might include the ability to group plugin parameters with a VCA fader similar to the way that Cubase does it?

This would be super useful for mixing quickly. For example, a user could put the same EQ and compressor on all of the mixing buss tracks. The user could then adjust the threshold knob on one compressor to adjust the dynamics across all the busses. Same thing could be done for global group EQing across all the busses.

There are some scripts like MPL's Mapping Panel, that would allow us to group plugins but it forces the plugins lock values instead of working relative to each other like the VCA volume faders work in Reaper.

A native solution to this problem would be really helpful.

If you guys need more examples or videos explaining anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:43 PM   #60
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There is also ReaLearn, for routing inbetween tracks. Are you using it as well?

hardware control > reacontrolmidi > realearn > anywhere you want > mpl mapping panel included

I suggested elsewhere a drag and drop of parameters onto other parameters could do automatically multi-steps in one step like
-parameter modulation
-linking
-target is dropped parameter
which would give Bitwig like easy connection of parameters, using only tools already available in Reaper, this would use the slider view of any fx/vst, so it would be independently of any gui, so no excuses here. And here, a drag and drop of parameters between different tracks could behave differently, automatically doing certain other steps which lead to a desired goal. A drag and drop could use any action with two input parameters <from> and <to>. Goal is using following principle: If something is possible, it should be easier possible.
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Old 04-09-2019, 03:37 AM   #61
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Is VCA chaining in Reaper 5 what I think it is?
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:20 AM   #62
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Is VCA chaining in Reaper 5 what I think it is?
Is this a trick question to expose the forum members with mind reading capability? (just kidding...)
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:16 AM   #63
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Is VCA chaining in Reaper 5 what I think it is?
Thank you!
It means one VCA can control another VCA. A VCA can be a slave to another master VCA.
For an example, see here: What's New in REAPER v5.974 Update

VCA chaining was just added to version 5.974.
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It means one VCA can control another VCA. A VCA can be a slave to another master VCA.
For an example, see here: What's New in REAPER v5.974 Update

VCA chaining was just added to version 5.974.
I'm a happy user of this feature already!
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