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Old 08-17-2008, 04:43 PM   #1
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Default Possibility of STREAMING Ninjam's LIVE?

I find that I like to listen to what other players are doing, before or after I play - but by logging in to listen, I'm stealing a slot from another player, which is bad.

I'd like to just be able to tune in to the live stream, just like I can stream the archives.

Is this possible? Is is already available? I bet I'm not the only one who would like this.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:41 AM   #2
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On ninbot.com, there's a listening lounge per channel. The test.ninjam.com servers don't offer this. (Basically, ninbot does what you do: a logged in 'bot is streaming what it hears.)
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:05 AM   #3
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On ninbot.com, there's a listening lounge per channel. The test.ninjam.com servers don't offer this. (Basically, ninbot does what you do: a logged in 'bot is streaming what it hears.)
Thanks for your reply. I did notice the bots in the ninbot channels, and that's a good thing! I'll have to look into their streaming feed - do they provide links to the stream on the ninbot page?

It's too bad, though, that no one uses those channels for jamming as much as they use the test channels.

Hw old is Ninjam anyway? I'd think it would be getting huge more amounts of use than it is - so far, I'vre seen only the same dozen peeps or so.

Unless many of the the gurus who use Reaper think they have better things to do with their time than play for free??
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Old 08-18-2008, 02:43 PM   #4
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By the way, source code for a streambot is at http://cockos.com/~brennan/ninjam/

How old is NINJAM hmm... at least 3 years? The domain name was registered 05-jan-2005.

NINJAM might need a bit more features love before it can explode, userbase-wise. Seems like people still have mucho problems setting it all up. And then even when it's all going, someone is bound to show up and play crazy distorted electric guitar at 900 bpm and at +6db out of nowhere. I kid, but I do think some kind of automatic volume normalization might be the killer feature that NINJAM still lacks.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:10 AM   #5
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I'd like to see the NINJAM UI strip out all the output sliders, personally. That would immediately kill a big source of confusion.

A simple "single mixed stereo out / multiple unmixed stereo out" option would let more advanced users adjust their local mix. (But this should be hidden deeply... default as single mixed stereo out.)

I'd also like multiple local channels removed - you can do the mixing before the signal hits NINJAM.

This way, the emphasis for getting levels right would be pushed back onto people playing and everyone would be seeing the same levels displayed inside NINJAM.

Having both Peak and VU levels would be nice, too...
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:59 AM   #6
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Use the source....

I go back and forth on the multiple local channels. If you are in the habit of mixing down your local jam, it's useful to have multiple instruments broken into different local channels. You get stuck with real-time balance choices otherwise.

But, this only applies to multi-instrumentalists or loopers (maybe a dedicated loop channel?), and only the subset of those who want to have detailed remix capability.

I have track templates for both, but it's hard to know which flavor you want before things get going.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:14 PM   #7
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Use the source....
Doesn't let me force it down everyone else's neck, though... :lol:
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I go back and forth on the multiple local channels. If you are in the habit of mixing down your local jam, it's useful to have multiple instruments broken into different local channels. You get stuck with real-time balance choices otherwise.
Not if you leave local record running. That's hardly any more overhead than having the NINJAM recorder running (i.e. just one more stereo pair on top)... I assume...
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:29 PM   #8
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I understand what ya saying rob but it could all still run out for each on 1 stereo channel you could still have multiple channels but they combine to 1 ninjam output channel. But this could maybe set as a flag so if a server has the bandwidth and allows multiple then your 1 stereo out would break out into how ever many local channels you had setup.
But also needed to be set to pro mode.

This would stop n00bs getting more confused and allow for more NINJAM pro's to use more advanced features.

Then if a Server is set to 1 channel it doesn't mean a client has resetup or change settings or setup templates as this sometimes can be a pain when things are set just right.

For me none of this matters as I use Cubase for all and ReaNINJAM and REAPRER as my NINJAM front end. Routed to and from using My Cards ASIO. This can be achieved with rearoute to but audio into reaper has to be routed to Cubase then routes back form Cubase master out to reaper again. This can cause some latency but can be done.

But one great addition would be the ability to route NINJAM channels of other clients to outputs or asio strips and/or REAPER Tracks.

Also have the REAPER guys thought yet about a Reaper Wave-RT driver or layer?
Currently this is a massive hole that could be filled and earnt from.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:44 AM   #9
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I really should finish that damn VSTNinjam plugin... then it could work like I want...
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Old 09-13-2008, 09:57 AM   #10
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ARRRrrrrg.... Don't Tease Us!
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:58 PM   #11
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How about a Ninjam/Ninbot streaming radio station for any/all of the servers?

Available as a Shoutcast stream, even?!

That would be unbelievably sweet, I could tune in anywhere just by going the internet-radio route, which I do all the time.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:30 AM   #12
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Tom (ninbot.com) used to have 2049 as a shoutcast stream. It doesn't appear to be there any more. I did have a set up where I could icecast any jam I was playing in (under Linux). It's all do-able, just needs someone to set up the servers.
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I really should finish that damn VSTNinjam plugin... then it could work like I want...
Hey, stop wasting your talents on NINJAM and go to your desk. NOW!

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Old 09-15-2008, 12:48 PM   #14
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Sadly, it's not jamming taking up my time... My wife has my coding skill assigned to higher priority work...
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Ha! I know them wifes. Sometimes it feels like you're a child-entertainer: Try to figure out what they want, and then obey untill they leave :-D
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:05 PM   #16
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Would it be legal to lock you, Pljones in a room with a PC?
Until you have working prototype.

I'm gonna go ask doorthe (user7776543) to check the NINJAM terms and conditions. :P
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:47 PM   #17
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Actually I've been diggin thru the source looking for how to implement this too. I often want to put extra effects (compression, noise gating) on the remote channels specifically.

So the first thing I did was make it output 8 channels. Luckily, that's easy. Now then... what goes where?

I was thinking of having it mix the full mix to channels 1 and 2 (normal stereo for normal use) then... dunno? Maybe have all remote channels mixed stereo to 3/4 (putting local channels where), or maybe assign remote channels first-come first-serve to channels 3 and up? Or even having a UI control to select routing for remote channels (like local channels have.)

How do you envision this feature working exactly? Let's figure this out.
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Would it be legal to lock you, Pljones in a room with a PC?
Until you have working prototype.

I'm gonna go ask doorthe (user7776543) to check the NINJAM terms and conditions. :P
My firm will get right on it.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:24 AM   #19
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If say reaper had extra option in Device that say had start and end range of ReaNINJAM outs.
So if someone had only say 1 stereo out, it would default to master, but if more were available people could set more as the most a server has is 7 to 8 more people other than ourselfs.
But say there was only 3 more outs available, then a range of them 3 could be set then when it reaches 3 then a 4th person comes in it would put them out on 1 same as another. If then you needed to record one and not the other we could jsut mute one of them or move them onto another out using drop list box.

I want it mainly multitrack in realtime and add limit and fx if someone is dry or too high. Also sometimes if were making a track in realtime when some best stuff can come out I can then say record 2 or 3 at a time. Sometimes people think I constantly have them recording but I have to mute the met then solo there channels. Sometimes something great can be missed and they can't get it again. But mainly for mastering in a jam this end so it sounds good on the live radio or if I stream live video.

Like here, http://www.justin.tv/clip/6f3b73a3e9d (on next clip button Neimad is doing MSN Animations Live too. lol )

Grizzly was too low and others could be too mid, I could then position them in a surround environment, eq and compress them to bring them clean into the jam. Even filter the noise which a lot have due to sound card type and stuff.

But I have to record them then add it all which then puts them in a loop. :|

So when can I have a working prototype. :P
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Wow.. that woul be very useful! Why didn't you go into programming? You obvoiusly have some technical perspectives that goes beyond common mans mind!
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I did Program once, had a few minor games on some Amiga mag discs plus run a bbs for years and programs a lot of doors for it but then I got busy with the PC shop and got out the loop and well I'd have to learn so much now just to get up to spec. :| Maybe when the kids are a little older I'll try start again.
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I understand fully, being a young father (I like to think that anyway) to three wonderful kids. My plans on learning to play music is due to when we're "out of stock" :-)
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:44 PM   #23
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I talked to Justin today about maybe adding more outputs to ReaNINJAM. Maybe starting with assigning each jammer their own stereo pair in the outputs. Then you could put a basic FX chain on each stereo pair. Like limiting/compressing/noise gating for example. Then as a feature on top of that maybe have ReaNINJAM possibly remember/configure which channel each person was assigned to (since people often drop off and return.)
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I'd really like ReaNINJAM to start off in "easy" mode (every time!! ):

One fixed local stereo pair.

No mixer adjustment within NINJAM (all levels fixed at 0dB) apart from metronome level.

All the bells and whistles are nice when you know what you're doing but folks just starting out find so many ways to make mistakes already, adding more won't help them...

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I talked to Justin today about maybe adding more outputs to ReaNINJAM. Maybe starting with assigning each jammer their own stereo pair in the outputs. Then you could put a basic FX chain on each stereo pair. Like limiting/compressing/noise gating for example. Then as a feature on top of that maybe have ReaNINJAM possibly remember/configure which channel each person was assigned to (since people often drop off and return.)
This is very good news, a nice end to a good day.

PLJones with these options by default it would be no different form what you have now other than maybe an FX button on people remote channels. But ny default it should be if implemented no different to what ya have now, just a few extra options for anyone who needs them.

BTW NINJAM TV is up and running, looking for ninjammers video's, also later that will show the shows but for now they live at NINJAM Cam.

Both links below..
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