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03-28-2010, 01:18 PM
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VST Preset resets to default when pressing Play
This usually happens to me when I import a MIDI file (lets say a Bass/Keyboard line) onto a Virtual Instrument track. I go onto the VST window, input my custom settings or choose another preset of the instrument, but when I press play it resets to the default preset of the VST, regardless of my choice of settings. This happens with only a few VSTs I've tried, not all of them. Anyone else experienced this? If so, how can I stop this from happening?
Thanks in advance.
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03-28-2010, 01:23 PM
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Welcome to the forums!
There's most likely a program change command at the start of each imported MIDI item. Open the item in the MIDI Editor, hit ALT+3 to change to the event list view and delete the PC command.
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03-28-2010, 03:16 PM
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It still hasn't worked. There were several PC commands, I deleted all 16 of them and the problem still persists.
http://img200.**************/img200/6...vstproblem.jpg
What is a PC command anyways?
Thanks for the welcome btw.
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03-28-2010, 03:28 PM
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I usually delete all of the lines up to the first note (see link below).
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...ght=midi+event
But I see you've got some pitch bend messages. You might want to keep those. Make a back up copy first and experiment with deleting lines up to the first note.
Pete
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03-28-2010, 03:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steindork
Welcome to the forums!
There's most likely a program change command at the start of each imported MIDI item. Open the item in the MIDI Editor, hit ALT+3 to change to the event list view and delete the PC command.
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I would say the contrary. There are VST Virtual Instruments where the sound will reset to the first sound at the very start of playback just because there is no program change to select the desired sound.
I solved adding a program change event to select the desired sound. However, sometimes this does not work (al least for me!) on the first note. I had to add some space before (for example, some empty midi) just to place a program change there (or maybe a bank/program change).
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03-28-2010, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Neburis
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PC=Program Change. Your .MID file sends a PC command to each MIDI channel, preceded by a few Bank Select commands, you should delete them as well. Bank Select and Program Change are commands to select a preset bank and a preset number on the keyboard automatically, so that the MIDI file plays the proper sound.
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Originally Posted by afantozzi
I would say the contrary. There are VST Virtual Instruments where the sound will reset to the first sound at the very start of playback just because there is no program change to select the desired sound.
I solved adding a program change event to select the desired sound. However, sometimes this does not work (al least for me!) on the first note. I had to add some space before (for example, some empty midi) just to place a program change there (or maybe a bank/program change).
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Well the OP mentioned "imported", in that case it's almost always a PC command.
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03-29-2010, 02:30 PM
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Still not working...I erased all of the initial PC commands and the CC commands that said Bank Select, but right after I press play they all appear again. Damn it. :\
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03-29-2010, 02:34 PM
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Can you post a link to download the midi file?
Pete
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03-29-2010, 03:45 PM
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http://www.mediafire.com/?jm3lnoyyljn
Something I composed on Guitar Pro, then exported it to MIDI. I just muted all the instrument tracks on this other than the one I wanted, don't know if that's related in any way...
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03-29-2010, 03:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neburis
http://www.mediafire.com/?jm3lnoyyljn
Something I composed on Guitar Pro, then exported it to MIDI. I just muted all the instrument tracks on this other than the one I wanted, don't know if that's related in any way...
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It seems to be a multi-channel MIDI file with 16 channels and tracks, all of them containing Bank Select and Program Change commands as well as a whole bunch of odd CC data targeting all sorts of parameters, which could make your MIDI device change its sound (but not the preset) as well, since the sent parameters don't correspond with the VSTi at all.
Alas I don't know Guitar Pro but you probably made a mistake on export the single track you wanted in first place.
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03-29-2010, 04:00 PM
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Rather than deleting the PC commands, try setting their value(s) to zero
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03-30-2010, 01:00 PM
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Reaper Bug In 3.4?
After expanding the tracks when I drag it, into Reaper, there's info on track 5.
If I delete the messages at the start of the file, they come back when I re-open the track.
Furthermore, if I try old midi files that I've downloaded, I can't delete the messages. But I used to be able to do this.
I think there might be a bug in 3.4.
btw. Cut events is OK, so there is a work-around.
Pete
Last edited by stratman; 03-30-2010 at 01:29 PM.
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04-03-2010, 05:54 PM
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Confirmed
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07-17-2013, 08:07 AM
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I was just about to make a post with this exact problem; I compose music using Guitar Pro as well, and upon importing the .midi files for the songs that I make into Reaper, I have my VST instruments reset to either their initialize patches, or the first patch in the list of presets. I haven't tried the midi messages stuff yet, I'll mess around and see if I can't get it to work. And sorry, what was confirmed? That you can cut the events in place of deleting them and it will solve the problem? Sorry, but I was just confused there. This is extremely annoying and it'd be cool if I could get around it *fingers crossed*
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02-16-2015, 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neburis
This usually happens to me when I import a MIDI file (lets say a Bass/Keyboard line) onto a Virtual Instrument track. I go onto the VST window, input my custom settings or choose another preset of the instrument, but when I press play it resets to the default preset of the VST, regardless of my choice of settings. This happens with only a few VSTs I've tried, not all of them. Anyone else experienced this? If so, how can I stop this from happening?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
I am also having this problem. It seems to apply to all of my VST's all the time. When I load a preset it might play for a second then jumps back to the default. I am new to music and software so don't really have a clue where to start. Am currently trialing reaper which seemed pretty stable but this will kill it for me If I can't sort it. I'm using Synth1 plus a few others I downloaded.
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08-17-2019, 11:50 PM
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Solved it.
Spent an hour on this.
Finally solved it, at least for me.
Click on "FX" in the track on the left side of Reaper to open the Track FX Window.
Click on the little + sign.
Select "Link to Program Change."
Whatever it's set at, change it to "Link All Channels Sequentially."
Close Track FX Window.
Save project.
Image too big to upload, but here:
https://biptunia.com/wp-content/uplo...per-Voodoo.jpg
This not only solved it for this track, but for this project, and all projects.
Voodoo, but it worked.....
....for a while...after a few new projects, I had to do it once more. Sometimes the instrument VST preset would stay where I put it, but a setting on a FX VST, like an EQ, would revert to default, then I'd have to do this process one more time on the project.
When I first figured it out, I was expecting to have to do it on every track involving imported MIDI, but not even nearly that much. Maybe one track per project. Or less.
Still messing around with it, but that seems to be the situation so far.
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Last edited by BipTunia; 08-18-2019 at 12:43 AM.
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08-18-2019, 01:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neburis
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Hi and welcome from me too! Have a look in the Newbie section & you will find a sticky with a link to an excellent "booklet" on basic MIDI. Understanding what MIDI is and how it works will really help you a lot.
The number of control codes, etc., for MIDI is pretty small & you only really need to understand how a few of them work to deal with most issues you come across.
It`s great that you found a solution, but it would be better if you knew a little more about MIDI in general.
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05-30-2020, 10:11 AM
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Also works with self recorded midi
I was having the same problem with a midi I've recorded myself. This solved it.
I cannot found the "Link All Channels Sequentially" option, but selecting "track 1" (first option) solved it.
Thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BipTunia
Spent an hour on this.
Finally solved it, at least for me.
Click on "FX" in the track on the left side of Reaper to open the Track FX Window.
Click on the little + sign.
Select "Link to Program Change."
Whatever it's set at, change it to "Link All Channels Sequentially."
Close Track FX Window.
Save project.
Image too big to upload, but here:
https://biptunia.com/wp-content/uplo...per-Voodoo.jpg
This not only solved it for this track, but for this project, and all projects.
Voodoo, but it worked.....
....for a while...after a few new projects, I had to do it once more. Sometimes the instrument VST preset would stay where I put it, but a setting on a FX VST, like an EQ, would revert to default, then I'd have to do this process one more time on the project.
When I first figured it out, I was expecting to have to do it on every track involving imported MIDI, but not even nearly that much. Maybe one track per project. Or less.
Still messing around with it, but that seems to be the situation so far.
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05-30-2020, 10:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpeghy
I was having the same problem with a midi I've recorded myself. This solved it.
I cannot found the "Link All Channels Sequentially" option, but selecting "track 1" (first option) solved it.
Thanks!
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Thank you for your service!
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12-31-2020, 09:38 AM
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Thank you!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie
Welcome to the forums!
There's most likely a program change command at the start of each imported MIDI item. Open the item in the MIDI Editor, hit ALT+3 to change to the event list view and delete the PC command.
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Thank you for this; i was wrestling with this for a minute.
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01-30-2024, 01:09 AM
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reaper vst plugins lose settings
Go to settings - Plugins - Сcmpatibility - remove mark from Disable saving full plug-in save
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