Old 08-31-2007, 12:37 AM   #1
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I must mention one particular sequencer application in passing, given the shock waves it has managed to send through the audio community for its slick, professional interface and huge array of functions. Strictly speaking, Reaper () is shareware, but given that you can download the full, un-crippled version to try out, some might consider that other freeware sequencers would now be dismissed out of hand.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:13 AM   #2
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the rest of the quote pertinent to Reaper

"I must mention one particular sequencer application in passing, given the shock waves it has managed to send through the audio community for its slick, professional interface and huge array of functions. Strictly speaking, Reaper () is shareware, but given that you can download the full, un-crippled version to try out, some might consider that other freeware sequencers would now be dismissed out of hand. However, this hasn't proved to be the case. As I said in our recent in-depth SOS review, I was most impressed with Reaper, but (like some other musicians) found some of its features initially confusing, and many novices seem to end up bewildered by the number of choices available."
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:37 AM   #3
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and many novices seem to end up bewildered by the number of choices available."
IMO, the reason is two fold:

1. Because the price point of the non-com license is affordable, you have many folks who are working with a DAW for the first time. The learning curve is steep for these folks... no matter which DAW/software they choose.

2. Reaper changes so rapidly, it's hard to keep the documentation current.

Also, I think some of the 'difficulty' comes from the fact that Reaper (like Samplitude and ProTools) is less of a composition environment... and more of a tracking/editing/mixing environment. (It's pretty easy to start basic recording/mixing with Reaper.)


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It's pretty easy to start basic recording/mixing with Reaper.
Exactly right. I have a friend who can't put the batteries in a flash light properly. He ends up putting them in backwards and sucking all the light OUT of the room!

I have installed numerous cheap/free DAW's on his machine in the hopes we could collab on stuff. Everything I threw at him was a nightmare. He was laying down tracks within 10 minutes of me walking him through installing Reaper over the phone. Within 45 minutes, he emailed me a mix down from Reaper with drum machine, two guitars and two vocal tracks. SUCCESS!!

Reaper has almost every bell and whistle I will ever need while being easy enough to use my brilliant but tech-bungling pal can get stuff done. I love it.

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Old 08-31-2007, 09:44 AM   #5
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I always bristle when people call it a "sequencer".

That ain't what its primary function is.

But, hey, I play guitar, so...
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'tech bungling'??? Reall, D! You shouldn't talk about Bubbagump that way!


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'tech bungling'??? Reall, D! You shouldn't talk about Bubbagump that way!


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I always bristle when people call it a "sequencer".

That ain't what its primary function is.

But, hey, I play guitar, so...
I like using the term "sequencer" actually; I think the definition has changed/grown with the times. And it sounds better to me than "DAW" or "host". It is technically a sequencer, as it has a linear format with which we arrange/sequence our music. In this way, all "hosts" are "sequencers", but not all of them are "DAW"s if we want to be anal about the "A" in DAW. Is Reason a DAW?

All just semantics of course; curiously, what term do you use to describe programs like Reaper/Sonar/Cubase etc?

Now "step sequencer" is definitely a more specific definition in my opinion...but I also play guitar, so take all of this with the appropriate number of salt grains! :-)
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I have a friend who can't put the batteries in a flash light properly. He ends up putting them in backwards and sucking all the light OUT of the room!
I shall call that the principle of Diogenes!
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..." As I said in our recent in-depth SOS review, I was most impressed with Reaper, but (like some other musicians) found some of its features initially confusing, and many novices seem to end up bewildered by the number of choices available."
So would an ultra simple quickstart guide help, either in the installer or on the site? Something like...

1) Select a driver....probably ASIO. Grab ASIO4ALL if you dont have one(see Google).

2)Insert a track by right clicking the empty space on the left of the screen

3)Record arm the track by pressing the round button at the left edge of the track that turns red when you click it. If you need to monitor through REAPER press the speaker button that appears under the record arm button after you arm it.

4)left click the tracks meter and select an input.

5)press record(the round button on the transport just near stop and play)

...and youre off. See the manual for more info.
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That part, I just don't get. In the time it takes to configure a fresh install of almost any of my other audio apps, I could have three tracks of a 4 minute song thrown down! Well... almost...

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what term do you use to describe programs like Reaper/Sonar/Cubase etc?
Fast, easy to use, and maturing like fine wine/Coded like a elephant dancing in custard/a complete and utter clumsy, disjointed, ripoff.

Was there anything else you wanted to know?

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All just semantics of course; curiously, what term do you use to describe programs like Reaper/Sonar/Cubase etc?
Well, to be truthful, I kinda distinguish programs like Reaper, Samplitude, Pro-tools and SAW from programs like Sonar, Logic and Cubendo. The former were built from the ground up to record audio/live musicians, all with midi as an afterthought. The latter were all built as midi sequencers, with audio recording added later.

But I tend to call them all DAW's.

Now, how's THAT for semantics!



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Coded like a elephant dancing in custard/a complete and utter clumsy, disjointed, ripoff.
Too short... people will have a hard time keeping such simple blurbs like those in memory...

My take on Cubase was back in VST 5.1 days. It came with my interface. I instantly hated the convoluted, open this "panel", close, open the other "panel", close... where the heck is XXXX located user interface. What a FUBAR, confusing MESS! I never gave Cubase a really fair shake after that except for Cubase LE. Didn't care for it either. Too limited. Full blown Cubase? 600 BUX AND a DONGLE?!?!? Err... no thanks.

Sonar: I loved MIDI features of Sonar and really considered buying it until I tried to justify in my mind 600 Frogskins for my one man band, record at home "hobby". Err... no thanks.

NOW... thank goodness! I have Reaper. 40 Denari and it does everything I wanted out of Cuba$e or $onar with no dongle, no limited track counts etc...

'nuf said...

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I notice you didn't say the 'N' word . . .



(no, not that one)

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2. Reaper changes so rapidly, it's hard to keep the documentation current.
.. without employing someone to do this fulltime.



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Well, to be truthful, I kinda distinguish programs like Reaper, Samplitude, Pro-tools and SAW from programs like Sonar, Logic and Cubendo. The former were built from the ground up to record audio/live musicians, all with midi as an afterthought. The latter were all built as midi sequencers, with audio recording added later.
Agreed. I'm old enough to remember the days when the only "DAWs" were made by Fairlight and AMS.

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Malcolm,

I remember Fairlight also, and these folks think Cubase and Sonar are expensive!!
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I notice you didn't say the 'N' word . . .



(no, not that one)

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Perhaps "Brand X"...

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