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12-02-2009, 03:40 PM
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Parallel effects (Plugins chain)
I was searching for the subject in the title on this site. Haven't found anything really related. So here goes.
Unless I'm mistaken, building an fx chain only works in serie in Reaper right? So let's say you put an EQ first, then a compressor, then a reverb in your chain. The signal will go through the plugins in basically the same order. Is there a way to make this process parallel? Here's a specific case I'm thinking of: Kefir
You recorded a guitar track direct in Reaper, no cab sim. Could be Amplitube, could be Axe-Fx, whatever. You create an fx chain with the Kefir plugin where you would have 3 different cab IR going that you want to mix together. Of course, if everything is in serie, a cab into a cab into a cab as a very high probability of sounding like crap. What I'd like to see is have 3 instance of Kefir running side by side, the guitar track going into each instance for processing, and mix the signal coming out of each instance of Kefir to taste.
Of course, I could copy the guitar track to 2 other tracks, each with their own instance of Kefir, but it's kind of a waste of space.
Is it possible?
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12-02-2009, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Deltones
Is it possible?
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there is nothing impossible in REAPER
the task you want is very basic in REAPER, and can be done several ways.
for beginers :
put each effect on different track,
add sends from the source track to each track.
uncheck the send to master in the source track.
for not beginers :
use the pin connector of the FX.
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12-02-2009, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whatsup
there is nothing impossible in REAPER
the task you want is very basic in REAPER, and can be done several ways.
for beginers :
put each effect on different track,
add sends from the source track to each track.
uncheck the send to master in the source track.
for not beginers :
use the pin connector of the FX.
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Sup,
But if I'm not mistaken, with this method, you HAVE to use extra tracks. With the scenario I posted above, you use only one, for the same result (I think).
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12-02-2009, 03:56 PM
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The user guide which you can get from here http://www.cockos.com/reaper/userguide.php covers this really well at page 323 onwards under the heading Splitting Channels with some great examples.
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12-02-2009, 03:57 PM
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1) Set up your guitar track with your effects chain excluding keFir. Mute this channel
2) Set up a separate track for each instance of keFir you want to run and load your IRs.
3) Using FX sends, route the guitar track to each of the keFir tracks. Make sure the sends are set to pre-mute/pre-fader.
4) Set yur send levels appropriately and use the keFir track faders to set your return levels. To conserve CPU you could render each of the keFir tracks and then turn off all of the effects.
EDIT: OOPS - I completely forgot about channel splitting! Now there's a good idea!
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12-02-2009, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudcat
1) Set up your guitar track with your effects chain excluding keFir. Mute this channel
2) Set up a separate track for each instance of keFir you want to run and load your IRs.
3) Using FX sends, route the guitar track to each of the keFir tracks. Make sure the sends are set to pre-mute/pre-fader.
4) Set yur send levels appropriately and use the keFir track faders to set your return levels. To conserve CPU you could render each of the keFir tracks and then turn off all of the effects.
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Mudkat,
Yeah, I know about this process. But as stated above, this method still has to have extra tracks setup. I was wondering if it was possible to do it in a single pass with a single fx chain setting.
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12-02-2009, 04:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltones
Sup,
But if I'm not mistaken, with this method, you HAVE to use extra tracks. With the scenario I posted above, you use only one, for the same result (I think).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whatsup
for not beginers :
use the pin connector of the FX.
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12-02-2009, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltones
I was searching for the subject in the title on this site. Haven't found anything really related. So here goes.
Unless I'm mistaken, building an fx chain only works in serie in Reaper right? So let's say you put an EQ first, then a compressor, then a reverb in your chain. The signal will go through the plugins in basically the same order. Is there a way to make this process parallel?
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Yes of course there is, it's one of REAPER's great strengths.
Use channel splitting. There's a very basic introduction to this somewhere in Chapter 17 of the User Guide. It's a section called ...er .... let me see ... oh yes, "Parallel FX Processing"
The guide also contains several other examples, as does the ReaMix book.
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12-02-2009, 07:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholas
Yes of course there is, it's one of REAPER's great strengths.
Use channel splitting. There's a very basic introduction to this somewhere in Chapter 17 of the User Guide. It's a section called ...er .... let me see ... oh yes, "Parallel FX Processing"
The guide also contains several other examples, as does the ReaMix book.
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Damn, me and my tendency to ask questions before I reached the proper chapter in the manual. Actually, this post came about after reading a forum member's post on the Axe-Fx board about IR cab selection and mixing. I know he's using Reaper. Thanks for the heads up.
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12-05-2009, 10:04 AM
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Nicolas,
I tried the example in chapter 17.9. It works for the reverb, but it doesn't for the distortion, the signal is unaffected. It will work if the pins on the distortion plugin are 12 -> 12, but not 12 -> 34 like you have in the example. Can you please check it out on your side?
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12-05-2009, 12:32 PM
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Ok, I may have found the problem. Is it possible that there is a mistake in the manual? In the manual, the plugin pin connector picture shows that the pins for the output are at position 3x3, 4x4 when I believe they should show 1x3, 2x4.
Am I correct?
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12-05-2009, 01:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltones
Ok, I may have found the problem. Is it possible that there is a mistake in the manual? In the manual, the plugin pin connector picture shows that the pins for the output are at position 3x3, 4x4 when I believe they should show 1x3, 2x4.
Am I correct?
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Thanks for raising this,m I'm away from the studio right now but will check. Cheers!
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12-05-2009, 01:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltones
In the manual, the plugin pin connector picture shows that the pins for the output are at position 3x3, 4x4 when I believe they should show 1x3, 2x4.
Am I correct?
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OK, I've checked this out and you're spot on. Thanks for pointing this out. It'll be corrected in the next update. (Probably about 2 weeks away).
If you come across anything else like this, the best way of reporting it is on this thread here:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=18540
This ensures that an email notification will automatically be sent to me ... otherwise, I might miss the post.
Thanks again for taking the trouble to report this.
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12-05-2009, 02:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholas
OK, I've checked this out and you're spot on. Thanks for pointing this out. It'll be corrected in the next update. (Probably about 2 weeks away).
If you come across anything else like this, the best way of reporting it is on this thread here:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=18540
This ensures that an email notification will automatically be sent to me ... otherwise, I might miss the post.
Thanks again for taking the trouble to report this.
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No problem, and noted for the link above. Thanks.
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