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Old 02-18-2013, 11:10 PM   #1
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Default Reaper x64 spiking - AMD FX-8120 8 Core Windows 8

******APRIL 15th/2013 - STILL NOT SOLVED - this thread is now here for historical info for the dev's at COCKOS. I will not be adding to this thread unless otherwise receiving a private message. The moderator decided to start removing my posts in another topic of similar relevance in the general discussion page.****** (I see in the latest 4.33 prerelease that there's been a significant memory leak solved. I plan on trying the update with Windows 8 when that version is released to see if it solves my Reaper, Windows 8 Pro and AMD FX-8120 problem.


Hey Reaperites

Ok.
So I bought a newer tower. An ASUS tower with an AMD FX-8120 - an 8 core.
I should have more than enough power under the hook to operate Reaper.
I upgraded from an old Intel Core 2 Duo Quad.
I also have Acid Pro 7 and Studio One 2.5 on my system and both of the other systems work fine.
The problem I am having with Reaper 64x on Windows 8 is that it is spiking to 100 percent. It's a track with approx. 200 tracks running. I have never had a problem running large track counts in Reaper until I switched to this computer. The only difference is I am no longer running my old M-Audio 2496 sound card. I am using a little focusrite 2i2 unit which is Windows 8 ready.

I have attached a few pictures to see if anyone sees anything I am missing.
Reaper has become my main DAW - but the way it's working on this system is not functional at all for me.

If someone would love to give me an education lesson I am all ears, and eyes!
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:09 PM   #2
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Default more tests on ASUS AMD FX-8120

Ok...
So I did some more testing on this tower.
I went through the reaper manual...
I reinstalled my old M-Audio card and tried that setup.
44100 and buffer size of 512
Then I did a couple of things

I tried making a new project - boom - CPU - backs off from 90-100% to 0%
Then I tried adding 125 empty tracks and the CPU spikes to 55 to 60 percent.
This absolutely makes 0 sense to me.
I have an absolutely fresh install of Windows 8 - running in desktop mode.

Any other ideas? Or is this a bug specific to the AMD FX-8120 chipset?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:13 PM   #3
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I can't see the details in your screenshots, too small/blurry. Is there a descrepancy between Reapers performance window total cpu and task managers total CPU for reaper? If so by how much?

Regardless, try disabling "Anticipative FX processing" in reaper preferences > buffering.

You can also raise your buffer to its max whenever you don't have to monitor a live input or VSTi while recording. For mixing and other stuff the highest setting is really all you need and will save loads of CPU.

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:40 PM   #4
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No major difference between windows CPU meter and the performance meter built into Reaper 64x - both running 80-90 percent on average.
I tried the "Anticipative FX processing feature"
I also boosted my buffering rate to 512.
Nothing changed.
Appreciate you responding to this.
I even tried rendering out a whole batch of new tracks that came from Acid Pro - about 125 of them and the same issues with the performance in Reaper on this computer. I do hope there will be a fix to my situation...
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:37 AM   #5
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No major difference between windows CPU meter and the performance meter built into Reaper 64x - both running 80-90 percent on average.
I tried the "Anticipative FX processing feature"
I also boosted my buffering rate to 512.
Nothing changed.
Appreciate you responding to this.
I even tried rendering out a whole batch of new tracks that came from Acid Pro - about 125 of them and the same issues with the performance in Reaper on this computer. I do hope there will be a fix to my situation...
Just to follow up, I just placed 200 empty tracks and was hitting 50% CPU @ 4.5 GHZ with nothing but those tracks. When I unchecked anticipative effects in preferences it dropped to 2%.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:29 AM   #6
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Hey Karbomusic

I will try that again and pay closer attention to it in just blank empty tracks.
I am not a programmer or computer specialist but it strikes me as odd that reaper default settings would have empty tracks using resources on the CPU with nothing associated to those tracks.
Thank you very much for testing this out on your end.
I will let you know my results later tonight after work!
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:57 AM   #7
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What brand of chipset are you running?
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:37 AM   #8
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I will try that again and pay closer attention to it in just blank empty tracks.
I am not a programmer or computer specialist but it strikes me as odd that reaper default settings would have empty tracks using resources on the CPU with nothing associated to those tracks.
Thank you very much for testing this out on your end.
I will let you know my results later tonight after work!
Understood. I haven't had a chance to find out why that happens but I did do the quick test. I agree that on the surface it looks bad however....

I'm certain this exact issue was in an old thread here somewhere and that the "why" was solved. Problem is, I don't remember.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:14 PM   #9
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Thanks karbomusic.
If you happen to run past that thread please send me a link.
All the best.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:05 PM   #10
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Ok...
So I am at a serious loss as to what is going on with Reaper.
I tried unchecking the "Anticipative FX processing feature"
Even with blank tracks - just hitting the space bar Reaper runs 35-42% on the CPU.
I tried adjusting my power settings on the computer - the high performance - no change.
I even reset reaper to factory defaults and no changes.
I do not get this...
I've looked for threads regarding people struggling with CPU spikes and nothing that relates to the situation I have.
I even reinstalled my M-Audio 2496 audio card and the same thing.
I disabled my network/internet connection. That made no difference.
Is there anyone at COCKOS that I can talk to about this problem?

Any info would be greatly appreciated otherwise I am going to have to leave Reaper behind in order to finish up my record.
It's hard to believe this could be a problem with a brand new tower and an 8 core for that matter.

Thanks to anyone reading this out here.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:37 AM   #11
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Please feel free to bump your thread but don't submit a bug ticket to the tracker unless it's clear it's a REAPER bug. Thanks! All host softwares work differently and react differently on the hardware environment, and only one host triggering the problem doesn't necessarily indicate it can't be caused by your new hardware.

Let's start with this:

- Did you migrate your REAPER settings/resource/ini files from the old computer? That caused problems in a few cases. Rename/make a backup of your REAPER resource folder in Application Data and then start 'REAPER (reset to factory defaults)' from the Start Menu. If that doesn't change anything, you can rename/move your folder back.

- In the BIOS, AMD "Cool 'n Quiet" is known to cause spiking problems, "Turbo Boost" and C1E etc. should be turned off as well. Check with CPUZ whether or not the clock rates/FSB/Vcore remain constant when you run REAPER.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:18 PM   #12
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Ollie.
There was no migration of reaper to the new tower. It was a completely fresh install
All my reaper files and waves are on a WD 2tb usb 3 drive
Also to eliminate possibilities I copied a project with all the waves and project file directly to the desktop and the same deal.

I checked Asus website re: chipset drivers. Now this could be an issue.
I emailed Asus and they dont have Windows 8 chipset drivers for this unit.
It came with Windows 7 and they do have those drivers on their site.

I am completely ignorant when it comes to the bios stuff.
I know they have downloadable files for that on the Asus site but I do not know how to do that.
So an education lesson is welcome or a laugh as well.
Is it possible because my system doesnt have chipset drivers for windows 8 that I would need to go back to Windows 7... I would never have expected to have a problem with this.
It is so weird that I can run Acid Pro and Studio One and not Reaper.
I had my studio partner email me a picture of his tower running a i3 intel with the same project files and waves.
It was running at 13 percent on his cpu.
I felt crappy...
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:54 PM   #13
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Hey Ollie
Seeing as you shut me out of thw other forum...
Tell me who is a real tech support person for cockos...
Because clearly I need professional help with my setup...
Its either that or I will have to switch platforms because I am not about to buy another cpu.
Please reply to this message.
A full contact for cockos would be appreciated.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:40 PM   #14
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I also have an AMD FX8 and would not an Intel if it was offered to me. Unless it was an I7 for a gaming rig that's different.


If you add 200 blank tracks in reaper the cpu should be around 2% if that.
And this I am running and Edirol FA101 10x10 at 1.2ms in /1.2ms out and I am on Windows 8 Pro.


One thing you must do before anything is disabling any CPU throtlling in the Bios


Just like the Intel CPU C1E issues this also applies to AMD's

GOTO YOUR BIOS

Disable these features!!!

-AMD Turbo Core Technology
-APM (Application Power Management) *disabling the AMD Turbo Core Technology via AMD OverDrive utility will also disable APM)
-C1E the major bottleneck is this one!!! power saving crap that funks up stability


Get that crap done first!!! I have seen this issue even on I5 and even I7 systems!!! for Daw work SHUT ANY POWER CPU SAVING SHIT OFF!!!

sorry for the harsh words.. but at least you have some directions now on solving your problem

C1E is one for the worst problems in recent computers for Audio interfaces
You get massive DPC spikes with it on.
DISABLE C1E IN BIOS weather you have and Intel or AMD.

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Old 02-23-2013, 05:30 AM   #15
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I checked Asus website re: chipset drivers. Now this could be an issue.
I emailed Asus and they dont have Windows 8 chipset drivers for this unit.
The 7 drivers are often compatible with 8, however if you didn't install these drivers or they're not compatible that may lead to problems.

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I am completely ignorant when it comes to the bios stuff.
I know they have downloadable files for that on the Asus site but I do not know how to do that.
I'm sorry, the mainboard manual should have easy instructions on how to enter the BIOS and where exactly these options can be found. A safe procedure would be turning them off one by one and see what happens. Without knowing your exact mainboard model we can only give you general pointers (so what is your mainboard exactly?). If you feel insecure about this, maybe you have a knowledgeable person in your circle of friends and acquaintances who could assist you with that. However it's not different from turning options on or off in other software.

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It is so weird that I can run Acid Pro and Studio One and not Reaper.
They may just not linger around the load threshold for switching CPU states. REAPER has a known behavior of burning CPU cycles when it's bored and becoming more efficient with increasing load and it wouldn't be the first time REAPER coincidentally hits just that threshold. If there would be a problem with REAPER, you'd find a few thousand complaints by disappointed AMD users around here.

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Tell me who is a real tech support person for cockos...
Tech-support would have told you first to turn off advanced CPU throttling/boosting/overclocking options in the BIOS, too. Actually it has - the entire team (including me) is using the forums as primary support channel, which is deemed the best support you can get (potentially much more experienced people helping in usually much shorter time, even on weekends). Any further troubleshooting wouldn't make much sense without verifying those are turned off and not the problem.
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Thanks Ollie for highlighting those points.

I think with my last post up above he will get things working properly.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:07 AM   #17
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Hey Ollie & Danfuerth

Thank you both of you for your insight.
Before I saw these posts here this morning I spent another evening up (till 3am) and completely wiped my computer and reverted back to Windows 7.
I removed all sorts of 3rd party junk-ware (that came pre-installed on this ASUS tower)on my computer before I reinstalled Reaper.

Reaper with the 200 plus tracks seems to be working again. I get the occasional transport red flash but the performance meter seems to have backed off to 34% on average. And my task manager performance panel reflects the same thing.

I am no computer guru... I have always felt I have been able to learn a bit about my computers and the OS of the day but this one completely stumped me.
Danfuerth - your mentioning of CPU power management seems to resonate with me and because I lack any understanding of BIOS and how to manage that screen I think I may take your notes into a local computer expert and have him set this up so that the tower runs as you speak. I am hoping I will be able to re-revert to Windows 8 and stay in the future of things, but one step at a time. And I need more than anything to have a stable platform to finish up my album with.

To you both I can't express my deepest appreciations. This week I will get some normal sleep!!! I had 5 nights this week up to 2am reading posts, forums, trying to figure out why I couldn't make my favorite DAW work on my new computer!

Thanks again!
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It is not complicated to go into BIOS and do this.

Any computer tech worse his salt would tell you right away "If you do this X will happen" Due to most computer techs never seeing an audio interface let alone an instrument.

C1E is the most problematic issue with Audio for both Intel and AMD, I know they are making processors to use less power, however let's not kid ourselves here, we want POWER in a daw no power saving BS.

Power on your machine and look at the screen . it will tell you on there to either press F1 or Del key to enter Setup/

In there look for those things I mentioned.

DISABLE THEM. Save and reboot.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:14 AM   #19
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Hey Danfuerth

Just thought I'd follow this up.
I had the system (reaper) running on Windows 7 and copied all the info regarding bios setup/enable/disable that you wrote here earlier.

I re-installed Windows 8 Pro and bang - right back to 89-100 percent spikes in my project files. I went into the bios settings think it was delete key on my system...

a couple of things
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-AMD Turbo Core Technology
-APM (Application Power Management) *disabling the AMD Turbo Core Technology via AMD OverDrive utility will also disable APM)
-C1E the major bottleneck is this one!!! power saving crap that funks up stability

Found the APM section - disabled it
couldn't find turbo core tech on my tower
and couldn't find C1E

Needless to say I am back at ground 0.
I find it so weird that the software runs on Windows 7 and won't run on the same tower when I install Windows 8 Pro.

Any thoughts?
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Hey Danfuerth

Just thought I'd follow this up.
I had the system (reaper) running on Windows 7 and copied all the info regarding bios setup/enable/disable that you wrote here earlier.

I re-installed Windows 8 Pro and bang - right back to 89-100 percent spikes in my project files. I went into the bios settings think it was delete key on my system...

a couple of things
re:
-AMD Turbo Core Technology
-APM (Application Power Management) *disabling the AMD Turbo Core Technology via AMD OverDrive utility will also disable APM)
-C1E the major bottleneck is this one!!! power saving crap that funks up stability

Found the APM section - disabled it
couldn't find turbo core tech on my tower
and couldn't find C1E

Needless to say I am back at ground 0.
I find it so weird that the software runs on Windows 7 and won't run on the same tower when I install Windows 8 Pro.

Any thoughts?
Does performance meter say it's Reaper as a whole that eats CPU or are the empty track each adding some small percentage?
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Hey Osiris
I am going to take a bunch of screenshot prints of my setup and put them in tonight before I end up downgrading to Windows 7 again.
Thanks for asking about the performance meter. The performance meter within reaper has it maxing 89-100 percent with tracks in - 200 approx
and the task manager in Windows 8 has it maxing 90 percent as well. (reaper 64x)

To be continued...
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Ok People!
Let's begin with the onslaught of photos.

A few reminders. This setup on my computer is Reaper 64x running Windows 8 Pro on an Asus CM1831 tower with an AMD FX-8120 processor and 8 gigs of ram.
This system will run Reaper fine on it's native Windows 7 Home SP1.

When I install Windows 8 Pro - the system goes haywire.
I am still running my old M-Audio 2496 card which only has drivers up to Windows 7 SP 1. (M-Audio has done 0 in the way of Windows 8 drivers for any of their products.) Having said that my other band mate is running an older Intel i3 setup - 8 gigs of ram - same working files and his system is flying.

If anyone sees anything please let me know. I want to be able to move into the future windows 8 (and soon Windows Blue) but this is ridiculous.
Also it drives me insane that Acid Pro 7 and Studio One work perfect in Windows 8 on this computer but not Reaper!
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Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
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The 7 drivers are often compatible with 8, however if you didn't install these drivers or they're not compatible that may lead to problems.



I'm sorry, the mainboard manual should have easy instructions on how to enter the BIOS and where exactly these options can be found. A safe procedure would be turning them off one by one and see what happens. Without knowing your exact mainboard model we can only give you general pointers (so what is your mainboard exactly?). If you feel insecure about this, maybe you have a knowledgeable person in your circle of friends and acquaintances who could assist you with that. However it's not different from turning options on or off in other software.



They may just not linger around the load threshold for switching CPU states. REAPER has a known behavior of burning CPU cycles when it's bored and becoming more efficient with increasing load and it wouldn't be the first time REAPER coincidentally hits just that threshold. If there would be a problem with REAPER, you'd find a few thousand complaints by disappointed AMD users around here.



Tech-support would have told you first to turn off advanced CPU throttling/boosting/overclocking options in the BIOS, too. Actually it has - the entire team (including me) is using the forums as primary support channel, which is deemed the best support you can get (potentially much more experienced people helping in usually much shorter time, even on weekends). Any further troubleshooting wouldn't make much sense without verifying those are turned off and not the problem.
Hey Ollie
Take a look at the latest screenshots I posted.
As per all that junk in the bios - clearly disabling the stuff, power consumption controls - isn't making a difference.
Any further troubleshooting?

Let me know or message me.
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Can you expand the Reaper Performance Meter as I can't see what is eating up the CPU?

Take a screenshot of the largest CPU eaters on the perf meter screen.

I have no issues here with the FX8 or my test system and my old AMD dual core athlon that runs big projects with only 2 gigs of ram ( Win7 32 bit on it)
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That's the funny thing about it.
My performance screen/meters show all the tracks in it. 225 I believe. Play head is not moving - and there is 0 consumption on the CPU beside any of the tracks. It's just straight up maxing on the cores.

Here's a blown up pic for review.
You said you're on Windows 7 - I can make my system work no problem on Windows 7 Home - it does not seem to work on Windows 8 Pro.


I think I might have to escalate the situation to a bug tracker. Cause I've been going on for weeks now in Windows 8 with the same issues and I am no further ahead with Reaper.
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I'm sorry for your frustration but it doesn't help if you put it in our bug tracker again not only because it's not a REAPER bug. It's a problem with your specific computer configuration (otherwise the forum would be full of similar reports from Win 8 users). Help with your configuration goes way beyond the scope of product support, not only because it's a very hard thing to do without laying hands on your computer. Also, since you tried Windows 7 and were able to run REAPER w/o problems on that it's a bit hard to understand why you want to go through the trouble again and insist on using Windows 8 (you may have your reasons though).

If you need to make Win 8 run, there may be chipset and component drivers needing an update, the BIOS may need an update for compatibility with Win 8 (!) and you may need to contact the computer manufacturer for assistance.

You could also tell us the exact computer make/model and the exact specs (particularly the exact mainboard model) plus your current BIOS version and all driver versions so we can continue to provide voluntary help and assistance with googling that stuff in a targeted way. Maybe you also know someone experienced in troubleshooting computer issues who could give you some on-site assistance.
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I'm sorry for your frustration but it doesn't help if you put it in our bug tracker again not only because it's not a REAPER bug. It's a problem with your specific computer configuration (otherwise the forum would be full of similar reports from Win 8 users).

This is not at all necessarily true. A specific computer setup can exploit weaknesses in a programs code that might not otherwise be a major issue.

For example, just because a program doesn't crash on 99.9% of computers does not mean that the program is not buggy.

Check out to see that you are simply dead wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug.

If a program crashes and it is not due to hardware failure(corrupt memory or drive) then it is due to a bug/design flaw. Simple as that.
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This is not at all necessarily true. A specific computer setup can exploit weaknesses in a programs code that might not otherwise be a major issue.

For example, just because a program doesn't crash on 99.9% of computers does not mean that the program is not buggy.

Check out to see that you are simply dead wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug.

If a program crashes and it is not due to hardware failure(corrupt memory or drive) then it is due to a bug/design flaw. Simple as that.
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Thank you for your support on that one.
I am no computer wizard... but using PC towers for years I have never had an issue like this upgrading to a new OS using any of my various DAW's.
Why Acid Pro 7 and Studio One work perfect is completely oblivious to me.
Also regarding my situation, I have two soundcard setups.
1 is my old M-Audio 2496 card (which my old band mate is running no problem with reaper on his i3 intel system)
And my second setup is a little focusrite 2i2 scarlett that is usb 2.0 and is windows 8 driver ready.

Ollie -
Exact computer and Make

Brand ASUS - Model CM1831 - 8 Core AMD FX-8120 - 8 gigs of ram.
Current BIOS version (last one posted last April - 0903 bios number)

Can't say I know someone who is techno computer savvy. I've been my best helper on that front other than possibly taking it to an actual computer tech at say best buy or future shop.

I have been in touch with ASUS - and AMD. Chipset drivers on ASUS are only available for Windows 7 - 64 bit. But AMD had chipset drivers available for the tower Windows 8 compatible.

I am not using the internal video card. I am using an NVIDIA GT 520 - gig of dedicated ram on the chip. Updated to the current drivers.

That's all for tonight.
Again thanks DOM! Appreciate the support.
People and their feathers getting ruffled out here!
I just want to record and edit my music in Reaper - and live in peace!
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I fix and build pc's for a living and yes computers suck LOL in plain words.

I have fixed Apple Mac's, Dell's, HP', lenovo, samsung you name it

They all have their issues

This is starting to look like a Reaper Problem ( Config Issue)


Can you install Reaper as "Portable" and run that Reaper and do some tests.

Thanks .
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I fix and build pc's for a living and yes computers suck LOL in plain words.

I have fixed Apple Mac's, Dell's, HP', lenovo, samsung you name it

They all have their issues

This is starting to look like a Reaper Problem ( Config Issue)


Can you install Reaper as "Portable" and run that Reaper and do some tests.

Thanks .
Hey Danfuerth

I have not tried a portable install.
I have put a fresh email out to ASUS asking them if they plan to update the BIOS on the tower as well chipset drivers for windows 8.
Appreciate your response throughout this thread!

I am curious to see if the update (Windows Blue) which the preview will be here in June will solve any of the issues I am currently having. I guess time will tell.
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The Win 8 drivers for the AMD 760 chipset are here:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...d_windows.aspx

If you installed these and the problem persists, please post a screenshot of your CPU spiking in Task Manager's performance tab, showing all 8 cores to determine how many cores are spiking.

These articles mention how Windows 8 is controlling the cores differently than Windows 7:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3289.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3119.html

AMD 7 series chipsets may require OS patches/hotfixes to run properly. Maybe you have missed installing all available Win 8 patches and hotfixes first?

However if you want to play music instead of playing with the OS, consider staying with Win 7 since Win 8 doesn't really win you anything for that application. On production systems, the target is usually creating a stable platform for your application, not "having the latest" at all (setup, research, testing) costs.
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The Win 8 drivers for the AMD 760 chipset are here:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...d_windows.aspx

If you installed these and the problem persists, please post a screenshot of your CPU spiking in Task Manager's performance tab, showing all 8 cores to determine how many cores are spiking.

These articles mention how Windows 8 is controlling the cores differently than Windows 7:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3289.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3119.html

AMD 7 series chipsets may require OS patches/hotfixes to run properly. Maybe you have missed installing all available Win 8 patches and hotfixes first?

However if you want to play music instead of playing with the OS, consider staying with Win 7 since Win 8 doesn't really win you anything for that application. On production systems, the target is usually creating a stable platform for your application, not "having the latest" at all (setup, research, testing) costs.
Hey Ollie

The AMD processor has changed in that tower - I noticed that last night. Since I bought the tower. Mine is an FX-8120 and now they are selling it with the AMD 760 - how quick things change.
I did post a picture earlier of my tower - it's in this thread and all 8 cores are maxing out.

Where would I find those patches/OS fixes?
When I have installed Windows 8 Pro - from scratch I usually do the update and install all the current updates. With Windows 8 there is maybe 600mb of updates at this point that show up. It's not a killer amount of updates. If there is a patch or something I am missing I am all ears.

And yes - I have considered going back to Windows 7 - although I find it semi-ridiculous that I would have to do so. Windows Blue will be here by June for consumer preview so maybe this issue will be resolved when that release hits.

I will review those links you sent tonight.
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Windows blue betas started 2 months before Windows 8 was released.

It was started about the time of the Windows 8 RTM.

Not much to gloat over it. I have it setup here on my AMD FX8 Daw on a seperat hardrive
Memory Improvements are a big thing with the update. SSD improvements ..

Overall OS tweeks but not worth upgrading .

They better get rid of the Metro shit or I do not think Microsoft is knowing where they are headed.

I was part of the Windows 8 development team and did not like the Gui direction but that was why Steven Sinofsky was canned, he was going for Windows 8 SP1 and MS wants an Apple style upgrade with the stupid ass animal names .

OS X Alpaca : It really whips the Lama's ass LOL

Windows 8 Blue Edition: It put's the bluescreen's back LOL

And you wonder why I am on linux for 70% of my computer time
Heck even at my pc store I use Linux as the defacto Service tool for computer work lol

Puppy Linux is my main Tool I use here at the store, grab a 128 meg sd card ( LOL ancient) toss Puppy linux on it and USB boot into any PC and have a full OS running off of ram backup what you need and work on the machine since this way you bypass any Password or admin accounts LOL so you can copy anything you wish without even booting into the Windows partition.

our repair times are 90% less when I switched to Puppy Linux as a service tool OS.

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The AMD processor has changed in that tower - I noticed that last night. Since I bought the tower. Mine is an FX-8120 and now they are selling it with the AMD 760
Your processor is an AMD FX 8120 and you have an AMD 760 chipset on your mainboard.
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Thanks for the education lesson Ollie
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Hey Reaperites - Ollie - Danfuerth

I think this will be my last post re: Windows 8 and Reaper...
I will await to see what the consensus is regarding Reaper and Windows 8.

So Danfuerth - I did that portable install on my WD USB 3.0 drive.
Same deal... maxing the cores without even playing the play head.
Photos will back it up.
Also - you will see a photo of Acid Pro 7 running - a track with 700 tracks in it - around 30% CPU usage. - Just so people don't think I am going insane - even though I feel like I am with Reaper.

Ollie - read those articles re: bulldozer FX AMD chips and did download the hotfixes which do absolutely nothing to the tower under Windows 8.
So now that I have ruled out every possible angle on my end - can this actually be sent to the issue tracker...

(Yes I will be returning to Windows 7 which Reaper works fine on.)
I would like to see how this issue is followed on... and track it.

Let me know your thoughts.
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If I could see the machine I could work on it.

Harder to do it from far away

Well you went over the Bios:

-disable C1E and any speed throtling functions - no difference as you said

-2 other apps do not have this issue


-set PC to background services- I think you did that no difference

- Running my Windows 8 services batch could make a difference but I do not think so.

-Have you set reaper to default config?
-Preferences/Audio/buffering uncheck "allow on tracks without FX"

This is clearly a Reaper issue. Misconfig somewhere

Have you check the track performance options?
You can check it and play with it's settings...
screenshot of it.

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If you installed these and the problem persists, please post a screenshot of your CPU spiking in Task Manager's performance tab, showing all 8 cores to determine how many cores are spiking.
You posted a screenshot of the "Process" tab. We can't see how the load is distributed on the cores on that. BTW, to make a screenshot, just hit the Print screen button on your keyboard (ALT+PrintScreen to make a shot of the current window in focus only), then start Windows Paint and press CTRL+V to paste it. Save it to your desktop as JPG/GIF/PNG and upload that.

Edit: Sorry just saw now that you edited the first post again. However, I can't see anything on the screenshot (it's way too small). Please try it again using ALT+Printscreen.


Please also post a screenshot of your Preferences->Audio->Buffering page.

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So now that I have ruled out every possible angle on my end - can this actually be sent to the issue tracker...
Well it's a problem with your individual computer, Windows 8 and REAPER and most likely not a bug in the REAPER software. The bug tracker is for issues that can be clearly traced back to a problem with the REAPER code (and hence confirmed) and it just doesn't help you to post it there (again) unless we can clearly determine that the problem is caused by REAPER and why (so devs can reproduce it) and not only showing up when you use REAPER, which is something completely different.

Of the thousands of possible different computer configurations, some work great, some less brilliant and some not at all, and the host software as a part of that configuration plays a role in that as well, since they all work differently and e.g. apply their own way of utilizing multithreading. That's a given reality of DAW software which is a different and much more complicated and demanding beast than other software and the reason why it's rarely as easy as "DAW A and B does not have the problem, so DAW C must be at fault". The world would be so much easier for everyone if it was.

One glaring example of that is a case when only REAPER (and not DAW A and B) wasn't able to recognize any audio ihardware anymore and it turned out to be an empty CMOS battery (!) actually causing the issue.

One problem with configuration problems is:

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If I could see the machine I could work on it.

Harder to do it from far away
The harsh reality of computers used for realtime applications like DAW software is that either they run or they don't. If they don't they need a quite high expertise on hard- and software, and if you don't have that you might end up the creek without a paddle, and attempts to help with that from a distance still require some of that expertise on the other end. That's why there are audio computer companies selling computer hardware together with their expertise in configuring that stuff the best way for the purpose. Even they will frown upon the user changing that configuration, e.g. by installing a new OS on their own.

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-set PC to background services- I think you did that no difference
I don't think he did, but it usually doesn't make much difference in CPU load (the only case I ever saw this making a difference was with a GFX card introducing some crackling).

I asked for the load distribution screenshots because there are a few options dealing with multithreading and thread priority+behavior to play with. It makes more sense tho to play with them if other, more general things were ruled out.
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