v6.36+dev0922 - September 22 2021

[Edgemeal]

v6.36+dev0922 - September 22 2021
* Includes feature branch: multichannel, multi-mono, multi-stereo ReaPlugs
* Includes feature branch: ReaLimit and render limiting
* Includes feature branch: MIDI editor note reordering
* Includes feature branch: media item lanes
+ AU: support difference solo
+ JSFX: support difference solo
+ LV2: support difference solo
+ ReaSurround: instantly update I/O size when changing speaker configurations and bypassed
+ ReaVerb: load channel count configuration from presets
+ VST: run preset loading synchronously with audio processing
+ VST: support difference solo (right-click wet/dry knob) to hear difference between dry and phase-inverted wet signal
# Meters: more consistency adjustments

Full changelog / Latest pre-releases

[musicbynumbers]

Nice!

Will go give it a go!

[gapalil001]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

# Meters: more consistency adjustments

can you please explain this?

[bodfum]

Media Item Appearance. The option "Except when the media item height is less than the label height" is no longer there.

[Mercado_Negro]

What's "difference solo" useful for? I'm genuinely intrigued.

[Desa]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal
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+ VST:[/B] support difference solo (right-click wet/dry knob) to hear difference between dry and phase-inverted wet signal

Wow, this is just amazing.
Every day happier to be migrated to reaper.
Thanks Devs.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

What's "difference solo" useful for? I'm genuinely intrigued.

You can preview just the FX processing itself in context -- you hear only the part of the signal that the FX has altered. For a compressor, you'd hear only the compressed wet signal, for a bandpass EQ, you'd hear just the affected frequencies, for a delay you'd hear just the delayed signal, etc.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by gapalil001

can you please explain this?

Making sure all of the various meters (track meters, FX meters, render meters etc) have the same rounding and clip-indicator behavior.

[Edgemeal]

Originally Posted by schwa

You can preview just the FX processing itself in context -- you hear only the part of the signal that the FX has altered. For a compressor, you'd hear only the compressed wet signal, for a bandpass EQ, you'd hear just the affected frequencies, for a delay you'd hear just the delayed signal, etc.

Awesome! (Though kinda of wish it was on its own button)
I've used TDR Kotelnikov for its DELTA option (same thing I guess).

[tonalstates]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

Awesome! (Though kinda of wish it was on its own button)

Very awesome indeed! And yes +1! a Delta "Δ" button wold be better imo.
Easier to know that's there. Too cool of a feature to have tucked away.

Thanks for this devs.

[gapalil001]

Originally Posted by schwa

Making sure all of the various meters (track meters, FX meters, render meters etc) have the same rounding and clip-indicator behavior.

Thank You! i've noticed that meter_ol_tcp.png and meter_ol_mcp.png won't obeying pink markers for 150 and 200 layouts, but exactly fine obeys yellow markers. could it be related?

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by schwa

You can preview just the FX processing itself in context -- you hear only the part of the signal that the FX has altered. For a compressor, you'd hear only the compressed wet signal, for a bandpass EQ, you'd hear just the affected frequencies, for a delay you'd hear just the delayed signal, etc.

Ah it's a Delta! Makes sense now. Thanks, Schwa!

EDIT: don't you think it should be called "delta" so people can grasp the concept quick? 'Difference Solo" didn't make too much sense when I read it the first time. Just thinking out loud...

[Edgemeal]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

Awesome! (Though kinda of wish it was on its own button)

The wet knob itself should change (maybe write the value on the knob) when it is not at 100% so its more noticeable. $0.02

[FeedTheCat]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

+ ReaVerb: load channel count configuration from presets

Yep, that's great! My default preset now loads those beautiful Samplicity quad IRs including "true stereo" routing (if I set those pins correctly ). What can I say... ReaVerb will be getting a lot more use here

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

+ VST: support difference solo (right-click wet/dry knob) to hear difference between dry and phase-inverted wet signal

What a cool addition... My 2 cents: I don't think it needs it's own button as it is rather situational.

[Funkybot]

+ VST: support difference solo (right-click wet/dry knob) to hear difference between dry and phase-inverted wet signal

Very cool! Agree with the suggestions to:

1. Call it Delta (though "Difference Solo" just needs one explanation)
2. Make it a button

Also one more if I may...

3. Add it as an automatable FXParam at the end of the list (after Bypass and Wet)

...for that last one, I could easily see myself assigning a button on my controller to hear the delta for many FX plugins. Just need it exposed as an automation parameter for that to happen.

[nofish]

Originally Posted by FeedTheCat

My 2 cents: I don't think it needs it's own button as it is rather situational.

My thoughts too.
I imagine I'll use it as an occasional sanity check, rather than turning on/off repeatedly.

[Phazma]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

# Meters: more consistency adjustments

It seems to me there is now even more inconsistency with rounding involving normalization.

Here I am rendering a file clipped to exactly 0dB and Reaper itself says it is 0dB peak and 0 clips
(btw the meters still go red despite 0 clips but I won't start that discussion again now...).



So if I am normalizing to 0dB and the audio already is at 0dB with 0 clips, the normalization shouldn't change anything, right? That's how it worked previously.

But now the normalization says -0.0dB (as if it did nothing) but the peak says -0.1dB. So it actually did some tiny change.
The 'Norm' and 'Peak' values have inconsistent rounding.



In my opinion, if Reaper itself analyzes the file and says 0dB peak with 0 clips than its own normalization processor shouldn't change the gain. If normalization is set to precisely 0dB peak Reaper should only lower the gain if at least 1 clip is detected.

[souk21]

support difference solo

So nice thank you a lot!
Now we only miss input and output gain knobs

[ThomasE]

Originally Posted by nofish

My thoughts too.
I imagine I'll use it as an occasional sanity check, rather than turning on/off repeatedly.

Oh, there could be lots of creative uses for this! I'd love to have a separate button for setting the plugin to difference/delta mode! Then the delta could be routed to a separate path, processed, and then added back into the main path.

One example could be to EQ the difference from a compressor to get something like the FDR (frequency dependent ratio) feature from the TDR Kotelnikov compressor, but for any compressor.

This is possible now as well, but the plugins and routing neede gets messy quite quickly. A delta button would be awesome!

/T

[daxliniere]

+ AU: support difference solo
+ JSFX: support difference solo
+ LV2: support difference solo
+ VST: support difference solo (right-click wet/dry knob) to hear difference between dry and phase-inverted wet signal

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU Justin & Schwa!!!

[daxliniere]

Originally Posted by souk21

So nice thank you a lot!
Now we only miss input and output gain knobs

That would be nice. Most SoundToys plugins start to saturate very early and some plugins don't have a very 'honest' concept of unity gain.

[daxliniere]

Originally Posted by Funkybot

3. Add it as an automatable FXParam at the end of the list (after Bypass and Wet)

...for that last one, I could easily see myself assigning a button on my controller to hear the delta for many FX plugins. Just need it exposed as an automation parameter for that to happen.

At first I didn't understand why anyone would want to automate that, but your explanation about being able to assign it to a controller makes a lot of sense.

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by souk21

So nice thank you a lot!
Now we only miss input and output gain knobs

That would be useful indeed

Having the tracks mute and solo buttons there wouldn't go a miss either

[Paul Eye]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

# Meters: more consistency adjustments

At the expense of sounding like a broken record, there are still some inconsistencies

ReaLimit at -0.5dBTP, playback:


ReaLimit at -0.5dBTP, render:


ReaLimit at -1.0dBTP, playback:


ReaLimit at -1.0dBTP, render:


Metering settings:


It seems like the track peak readout is "peak" and master peak readout is "true peak", right?
And I just noticed that I don't have RMS values on in the JS, so I don't know if there are differences there.

I think I need a break from testing now XD

And yes, I'm aware of the fact that this is just one test case that doesn't cover everything
LUFS/LRA differences between -0.5dBTP and -1.0 dBTP are expected of course.

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Paul Eye

At the expense of sounding like a broken record, there are still some inconsistencies

Yep, seeing small variations here with regards LRA, LUFS-M Max and LUFS-I.

Originally Posted by Paul Eye

LUFS/LRA differences between -0.5dBTP and -1.0 dBTP are expected of course.

But hopefully not between measurements from within the same DAW

[EpicSounds]

Originally Posted by schwa

You can preview just the FX processing itself in context -- you hear only the part of the signal that the FX has altered. For a compressor, you'd hear only the compressed wet signal, for a bandpass EQ, you'd hear just the affected frequencies, for a delay you'd hear just the delayed signal, etc.

this smells like a Kenny feature request.

[ashcat_lt]

1 - (-1) =...

I’m sure it’s not actually the difference, but the sum, right?

[dupont]

Originally Posted by tonalstates

Very awesome indeed! And yes +1! a Delta "Δ" button wold be better imo.
Easier to know that's there. Too cool of a feature to have tucked away.

Thanks for this devs.

yes indeed, I would have never noticed this feature if I had not red this post !

[ashcat_lt]

Honestly it would be much more useful if it was in the plugin pin matrix. Not that it’s not awesome just to have it at all.

Edit - yes, that’s a deliberate double negative.

[Funkybot]

Originally Posted by daxliniere

At first I didn't understand why anyone would want to automate that, but your explanation about being able to assign it to a controller makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, I'm a big CSI user. If the Delta function were added to the bottom of the FXParam list, that would let me trigger it from a controller. I don't expect users to automate it for creative purposes or anything. I suppose some soul out there could maybe find something to do with that, but it's more about hardware controllers to toggle the state.

[Edgemeal]

Originally Posted by FeedTheCat

What a cool addition... My 2 cents: I don't think it needs it's own button as it is rather situational.

Ya true, I'll probably just set it from a toolbar/shortcut now that we have a param for it in 0924, I just hate having to right click, then left click to enable it, seems a bit odd.

EDIT No need for that script, devs added an action in RC2!
FX: Toggle delta solo for last focused FX

-- Toggle Delta param for focused Track FX
local _, tr, _, fx = reaper.GetFocusedFX()
if tr >= 0 and fx >= 0 then
  if tr == 0 then track = reaper.GetMasterTrack(0) else track = reaper.GetTrack(0,tr-1) end
  local track_fxparam_count = reaper.TrackFX_GetNumParams(track, fx)
  for param = track_fxparam_count-1, 0, -1 do 
    local retval, param_name = reaper.TrackFX_GetParamName(track, fx, param, "")
    if param_name:match('Delta') then
      reaper.TrackFX_SetParam(track, fx, param, math.abs(reaper.TrackFX_GetParam(track, fx, param)-1))
      break
    end
  end
end

[daxliniere]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

having to right click, then left click to enable it, seems a bit odd.

Yeah, I proposed a mouse modifier like CTRL+click wet/dry knob to enable delta solo.