Selection Cursor - Page 3

Bevosss · 08-22-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence

What is that? Won't run here. It's runs as a process but it's not visible on the screen.

Had to CTL-Alt-Del to shut it down.

Did you try drag-selecting on top of multiple items holding Alt down, like I posted?

It's visible as a Green 'S' in the tray...it simply swaps Alt-leftclick with Alt-rightclick.

It lets you:

1. Hold Alt down to leftclick drag across multiple items, selecting the items.

2. Hold Win down to use leftclick marquee select.

3. Win-X closes it, so if you have a shortcut set in windows to open it, you can toggle it on/off. Or you can rightclick the 'S' in the tray to close it.

It' not as good as native, but it's much better for me for now..

Lawrence · 08-23-2008, 09:08 AM

Oh, I didn't realize it ran only as a background process. I was looking for an application.

I'll try it.

antiClick · 09-28-2008, 03:44 AM

mY humble vote here. That simple selection tool makes PT so blazing fast at editing.
+1

Definetely the most wanted basic FR.

Need it, need it, need it.

airon · 10-05-2008, 01:03 PM

I thought I'd add a small explanation of what PT does with its 'tools'. Everyone seems to think Reaper is tool-less.

http://vimeo.com/1594283

What is shown there has been around in PT for almost 10 years. The trim tool can be configured to be a scrubbing-trim, a timecompress/expand-trim, a normal trim, and a loop-trim. The grabber has the normal mode(grab the entire region/item), the seperation mode(splits whatever you move, but copies the selection too if the copy-modifier is held) and the object mode that I never use.

The automation is handled in a similar fashion, except that they only let you edit the underlying audio with the trim and fade keys, but you can't move anything. You can double-click with the selector cursor active to select the range of a region/item, even when only an automation lane is showing.

Makki · 11-08-2008, 10:43 PM

Atlast Ive found the thread, I actualy thought this was surely in reaper and been trying the past two weeks and couldn't get it done.. My projects involve alot of editing and basicaly if this feature is not available, I definaetley can't get Reaper... This is the most important basic tool...

I tried that blah blah blah right click and every time I accidently move my wave and have to undo and like draw it like a painting.

The cursor should never be with the Timeline, for people who want it that way it should be an option.

As much as I tried to love reaper, this is one of the most action stopping me from leaving Pro Tools.. That and the option of a Vertical meter

++1 to airon

saldiamond · 11-16-2008, 11:37 AM

bumping this and a +1

so...

+1

Makki · 11-18-2008, 10:40 AM

Considering the amount of requests, I thought this was gonna be in the next version of reaper

airon · 11-18-2008, 11:51 AM

We shall see. It's certainly promising to see so many good workflow changes and basic improvements.

synth · 11-18-2008, 12:32 PM

+1

!!!

Makki · 11-18-2008, 05:16 PM

I hope so, but please, please, please. This is all I need for my workflow to be like a rocket... To tell you the the truth i work for many famous artists in here and I'm working in Pro tools, just cuz i know how much i impress them with my editing and how fast they get their end product.(and most important cuz I'm comfortable with the editing)

At the same time I would love to do the same in reaper, cuz I know i can, only if the selection cursor is available. i love reaper in every way, but can't get used to the editing part with my wave items, media or whatever you call it.( time selection should never be linked to it, please educate me if I'm wrong as why it should be). i love controlling every bit of my wave items.. With that i don't even need a noize gate (although i'll use it for safety reasons.)

Most important I would love to show how much Digidesign is losing their customers now that i have a DAW which has more than their features but is not a rip off like they are. I've been a Digidesign Customer from the days of Sound Tools- to Pro tools only cuz no DAW impressed me like Reaper. (trust me i've tried everything from CW, PL, CE pro, Sonar, Vegas, TL, Cubase, Nuendo, to name a few)

Reaper your doing the right thing but this is just a basic tool missing.... You should see how many PT users will change after you have this Tool.. You'll be really, really, really and I mean really surprised.

I've been using your evaluation for the past six months and not ready to buy or change to you DAW cuz of this basic, basic, basic tool.. So please, I want you to be the best next DAW cuz you deserve it, and give me the honour of buying your license... Thats all I ask

jas · 11-18-2008, 07:09 PM

I've also spent the last 15 years using Protools in the post world.
+1

tomedwardsuk · 12-18-2008, 01:39 AM

+1

Get this function sorted, and I'll completely migrate to reaper. This tool is crucial for heavy editors in post like myself.

The smart tool in Pro Tools is a god send, bring it to reaper

nofish · 12-18-2008, 03:25 AM

+1 on this

Alex Stone · 12-18-2008, 05:00 AM

Even as a rampant keystroker and midiot, the more i get into fine audio editing, the more i realise how useful this would be.

A plus 1, for an excellent idea.

Alex.

eximious · 12-18-2008, 08:41 AM

+1

That video tutorial highlighted the power of the smart tool rather well. A similar feature in Reaper would definitely speed up my workflow and open up some nice possibilities.

mahasandi · 12-18-2008, 09:06 AM

+1. It's about simplicity, which is nice for
Less computery people

ninobrown · 12-18-2008, 11:10 AM

the bigest +1 possible!!!

Susan G · 12-18-2008, 01:30 PM

Late to this conversation, but +!!

-Susan

P.S. Is there a way to swap the behavior of Left-Click drag and Right-Click drag?

Thanks-

-Susan

aviavi · 12-18-2008, 04:16 PM

Oh my god YES - a big plus f*cking 1 to this!

phonofranz · 12-25-2008, 12:38 PM

+1 assolutamente

synth · 12-25-2008, 03:07 PM

Bump and +1

maa · 12-26-2008, 03:01 AM

Shame but although this thread is long it is one of many on this subject.
Probably the most requested BASIC feature. But our dear developers have never answered once on this topic.
Maybe there will be a possibility to configure this in Reaper 3...

Makki · 12-26-2008, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maa

Maybe there will be a possibility to configure this in Reaper 3...

I Hope so Maa. I really do. Lets hope for the best.

Maybe the developers never saw this thread cuz it has been here for really long like you said and the most important basic feature.... Let me just say it again for the last time and last try from my side " Justin and Co!!! you'll be surprised how many people would migrate to Reaper if you have this Feature" I wish I could scream it..lol

Now that is my last try and untill then I'll stick to my Protools cuz I have no choice.....

phonofranz · 12-30-2008, 02:35 AM

Something is happening in 2.99 alpha-preview 8:

Quote:

+ Drag in floating item label area to select item+time (experimental)

...but remember to keep alpha related topics in the specific forum, as requested by the developers.

digitaldeath · 01-14-2009, 05:44 PM

Have the devs even considered this FR?!
I miss it so much since moving from Pro-Tools and want it badly!
Please make it happen!

PitchSlap · 02-03-2009, 06:36 AM

+1
Must have feature.

myreligionisnoise · 02-03-2009, 11:11 AM

+1. I like it.

Tallisman · 02-03-2009, 11:52 AM

so, seeing as how nobody really likes this idea it should be scrapped no?

.t

Tallisman · 02-03-2009, 12:50 PM

after viewing the video airon posted, it seems that some type of priority behaviour needs to be set for when zoomed out.

It would be great if the Reapers AI tool was as slick as PT, but if it also offered the user the following choicees:

When zoomed out (no space):
[]prefer fade to resize [x]prefer resize to fade
---- [x] Ctrl toggles
[x] Prefer selection to move/grab [] prefer move/grab to selection
---- [x] Ctrl toggles

etc...

.t

Lawrence · 02-03-2009, 03:24 PM

That "smart tool" thing in PT is not that unique really. Many daws use that by default and Tracktion is one of the better uses of it with slip/slide/trim/fade/loop and grab with no key modifiers or menus at all.

Most of that stuff is in Reaper and most other daws already. Obviously there's no free selection in Reaper so that part isn't in there (and Cubase doesn't "zone" the range selection tool in that way which is cool) but the fades, trim and grab tools are always automatic as they should be.

PT has fade, selection, grab and trim. That's pretty standard automatic stuff except for the auto range selector tool which is cool.

Lawrence · 02-03-2009, 03:42 PM

But back to 'selection' in general...

Free range selection is on the top of my list for Reaper. Many people aren't aware of it but many daws that have free selection also allow non-contiguous free-range selection.

It's benefits are pretty obvious for audio/midi and automation data editing.

airon · 02-04-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence

That "smart tool" thing in PT is not that unique really. Many daws use that by default and Tracktion is one of the better uses of it with slip/slide/trim/fade/loop and grab with no key modifiers or menus at all.

I can agree with this to a degree, and must admit I do not know how Tracktion does this. Worth a look.

Free selection... that's a nice term. Much more catchy than selection cursor.

We should remember that nobody mentions Vegas, Cubase, Nuendo or Logic for their audio editing capabilities. Everybody mentions Protools if you're talking DAWs.

What else do we have to do to get this thing ? .... wait for the next alpha ?

I'm getting ever so tired of telling fellow editors "Not yet mate. It's coming though." Right.

surfino · 02-06-2009, 06:49 AM

would be extremely handy, i like it
+1 !!!!!!!

Shan · 02-06-2009, 05:31 PM

........

Lawrence · 02-06-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

We should remember that nobody mentions Vegas, Cubase, Nuendo or Logic for their audio editing capabilities. Everybody mentions Protools if you're talking DAWs.

PT is the professional standard so... yeah.

But there are many things that are better emulated from elsewhere. For this, I'd certainly look at Tracktion and expand on it. It's the icons across the top of all clips, you can do a lot there with nothing but the mouse and no modifiers, and it's always "on".

Really smart tools.

inthepipeline · 02-07-2009, 06:20 AM

Bigety Bumpage ++++1

airon · 02-07-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence

PT is the professional standard so... yeah.

But there are many things that are better emulated from elsewhere. For this, I'd certainly look at Tracktion and expand on it. It's the icons across the top of all clips, you can do a lot there with nothing but the mouse and no modifiers, and it's always "on".

Really smart tools.

Those little tools are clever. We have some of them in Reaper, but also the option to use shortcuts instead. They're also very small targets, if you're going to fade things. I know some editors who prefer to make a selection across an area of an item in PT and then fade. The empty space they inadvertently select along the way doesn't matter. It just works like you expect it to. I prefer to place the cursor and fade most of the time or use the fade handles of the item, but it's the speed of the selection, the choice of being able to do it that way that these editors appreciate when creating fades. The fade handles in both Reaper and Tracktion are the only choices. It's another one of those benefits of the simplistic selection method executed so well in PT.

The manual states that in Tracktion the lasso tool (holding ALT) will make a kind of free selection, similar to what we're requesting here. That modifier is another slowdown that I don't appreciate for editing. It's one of the reasons Reaper actually gave us the choice of not having to use the ALT modifier to make the marquee item selection plus time selection in one go. And that's still just making it work, so Reaper doesn't have to add what is being requested here.

The Tracktion stuff doesn't hit the mark on this issue.

I'm waiting for that next alpha. Maybe they'll surprise us... at some point.

Lawrence · 02-07-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

I'm waiting for that next alpha. Maybe they'll surprise us... at some point.

Good stuff A... me too. It's always good to hear different perspectives.

heylow · 02-08-2009, 01:07 AM

I'll totally +1 this.

I love reaper....but, man, it SO needs to catch up in the world of professional editing. This goes right along with my "wave drawing pencil" request....SO necessary.

[dt]

heylow · 02-08-2009, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

We should remember that nobody mentions Vegas, Cubase, Nuendo or Logic for their audio editing capabilities. Everybody mentions Protools if you're talking DAWs.

What else do we have to do to get this thing ? .... wait for the next alpha ?

I'm getting ever so tired of telling fellow editors "Not yet mate. It's coming though." Right.

So right. I actually emailed Cockos about the pencil thing....didn't get anything back yet though. Still...here's to hoping.

[dt]