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06-30-2017, 01:00 PM
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#2081
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I think I've asked before. Will the command-line work in future?
#./reaper5 -nogui -P "song.proj" -r 1 -t 1 -R 44,100 -S 256 -T 140 BPM
Creates a project, records input to track 1 etc., without opening REAPER. Write a script for your session types.
Isn't this what Linux is best at doing?
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06-30-2017, 01:15 PM
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#2082
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FKAB
I think I've asked before. Will the command-line work in future?
#./reaper5 -nogui -P "song.proj" -r 1 -t 1 -R 44,100 -S 256 -T 140 BPM
Creates a project, records input to track 1 etc., without opening REAPER
Isn't this what Linux is best at doing?
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I don't think it can record, but it can do this:
reaper5 --help
Usage: reaper [options] [filename.rpp] [filename.wav]
Options:
-audiocfg : show audio configuration at startup
-cfgfile file.ini : use full path for alternate resource directory, otherwise uses default path
-new : start with new project
-template filename.rpp : start with template project
-saveas newfilename.rpp : save project (after creating/loading) as file
-renderproject filename.rpp : render project and exit
-ignoreerrors : do not show errors on load
-batchconvert filelist.txt : batch converter mode, filelist.txt includes:
- list of files to convert:
filename.wav
or
filename.wav(TAB CHARACTER)outputfile.wav
- <CONFIG block:
- <FXCHAIN sub block with contents of FxChain file
- FXCHAIN 'fxchainfilename' (use full path if specified, otherwise FxChains directory)
- <OUTFMT block (base64 output format, copy from project file)
- SRATE 44100 (omit to use source samplerate)
- NCH 2 (omit to use source channel count)
- RSMODE modeidx (resample mode, copy from project file)
- DITHER 3 (1=dither, 2=noise shaping, 3=both)
- PAD_START 1.0 (leading silence in sec, can be negative)
- PAD_END 1.0 (trailing silence in sec, can be negative)
- OUTPATH 'path'
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06-30-2017, 01:27 PM
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#2083
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Winter
I don't think it can record, but it can do this:
reaper5 --help
Usage: reaper [options] [filename.rpp] [filename.wav]
Options:
-audiocfg : show audio configuration at startup
-cfgfile file.ini : use full path for alternate resource directory, otherwise uses default path
-new : start with new project
-template filename.rpp : start with template project
-saveas newfilename.rpp : save project (after creating/loading) as file
-renderproject filename.rpp : render project and exit
-ignoreerrors : do not show errors on load
-batchconvert filelist.txt : batch converter mode, filelist.txt includes:
- list of files to convert:
filename.wav
or
filename.wav(TAB CHARACTER)outputfile.wav
- <CONFIG block:
- <FXCHAIN sub block with contents of FxChain file
- FXCHAIN 'fxchainfilename' (use full path if specified, otherwise FxChains directory)
- <OUTFMT block (base64 output format, copy from project file)
- SRATE 44100 (omit to use source samplerate)
- NCH 2 (omit to use source channel count)
- RSMODE modeidx (resample mode, copy from project file)
- DITHER 3 (1=dither, 2=noise shaping, 3=both)
- PAD_START 1.0 (leading silence in sec, can be negative)
- PAD_END 1.0 (trailing silence in sec, can be negative)
- OUTPATH 'path'
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Thanks Jack, I'll study that!
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06-30-2017, 07:09 PM
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You could easily generate a .rpp using a shell script with the parameters you want, and load it as a template...
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07-01-2017, 01:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4duhwinnn
Welcome to using linux! For Kontakt, the first issues will be installing
wine-staging, then installing and registering Kontakt,
then configuring your system to improve audio performance.
Cheers
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Right, but before I spend countless hours trying to make it work, I need to know I can make it work, with many tracks and reasonable latency (for example, 40 Kontakt Instances).
Will the performance be better than running Reaper in a Windows KVM guest on a Linux Host?
I wonder... is it possible to develop an open source sampler that could run Kontakt instruments?
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07-01-2017, 01:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Right, but before I spend countless hours trying to make it work, I need to know I can make it work, with many tracks and reasonable latency (for example, 40 Kontakt Instances).
Will the performance be better than running Reaper in a Windows KVM guest on a Linux Host?
I wonder... is it possible to develop an open source sampler that could run Kontakt instruments?
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I've had kontakt running in wine, you just need to make sure you're using a recent wine build (which you should be if you're using a rolling distro like Antergos or something).
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07-01-2017, 03:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daverich
I've had kontakt running in wine, you just need to make sure you're using a recent wine build (which you should be if you're using a rolling distro like Antergos or something).
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Yes, well I use Antergos in fact, but my question is, can in run reliably. Can I have 40 kontakt instances and a full orchestral template? I know I'll spend countless hours setting it up, so I want to know that it will work well with good performance first.
Shouldn't Lin-Reaper with VST wrappers work better than Wine Reaper?
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07-01-2017, 04:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Yes, well I use Antergos in fact, but my question is, can in run reliably. Can I have 40 kontakt instances and a full orchestral template? I know I'll spend countless hours setting it up, so I want to know that it will work well with good performance first.
Shouldn't Lin-Reaper with VST wrappers work better than Wine Reaper?
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These are questions I can't answer but if you already have antergos installed you could spend some spare time to play with it. I think you are probably the only one who can answer that question to your own satisfaction.
I do know that a user called alextone used to run a full fledged symphonic orchestra with reaper/kontakt under wine. I think at various points he did run into troubles, the last that I know of is that he couldn't get more than half his system RAM allocated to the wine process, which means he hit a limit of 32gb when loading samples into kontakt. For instance see this post: https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...78&postcount=5. IIRC the latest I've heard from him, he's now using reaper in linux, with linuxsampler and netjack, and runs kontakt hosted on windows boxes, but I might be mistaken, it was a long time ago that we last were in contact.
I haven't tried anything like this myself, but as things stand at the moment I see that a project running in native reaper with windows plugins loaded by linvst, seems a lot less cpu heavy but more prone to xrun. While a prj loaded in reaper/wine seems heavier on processing but a bit more resilient to xruns. The xruns of course depending on what you are doing and what soundcard/latency you use. So hard to really make a comparison.
I haven't tried the latest versions of kontakt (have an older installed), but fwiw I found that it does run better when turning off multicpu support in kontakt itself.
Also seeing that this is all under development, I would urge anyone to take it all with a grain of salt. Things are likely to blow up occasionally, or work less well than expected. But in my mind there is no doubt that native linux reaper is the way to go for the future, and I'm confident that we'll get most windows plugins running very well, either in linvst or a potential future cockos vst bridge.
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07-01-2017, 07:58 AM
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Ok, seems like I must stay with Microsoft still for the time being...
One day I will leave you Windows. One. Day.
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07-01-2017, 10:46 AM
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Don't know if you have to stay with windows. If you have linux installed, you could simply install reaper and then start playing with it. Maybe it already does what you need, maybe not. But without anyone taking it to the limit, it's hard to know where the limit is.
IMO it would not be a wasted effort, as if you really desire leaving windows for linux, everything you learn about running reaper on linux will be valuable information the day you actually do switch OS.
And if the reason for not trying kontakt on linux is the ram limit alex ran into, there would be work arounds. For instance you could run kontakt out of 2 different wineprefixes which would allow the kontakt in each prefix to use up to 50% of your ram.
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07-01-2017, 02:18 PM
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#2091
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I have finished moving now and I have two computers now and one will ssssstay Linux.
Behind the scenes there is a little biased of lazyness or what to call it, but I will remember to slap SmajjL around tomorrow with a trout.
Could be some resistance/fight but don't worry, I will win.
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07-01-2017, 03:37 PM
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#2092
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Yes, well I use Antergos in fact, but my question is, can in run reliably. Can I have 40 kontakt instances and a full orchestral template? I know I'll spend countless hours setting it up, so I want to know that it will work well with good performance first.
Shouldn't Lin-Reaper with VST wrappers work better than Wine Reaper?
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The first steps of reliability will be installation/registration.
What version of windows or 0Sx are you using for
your current Kontakt installation?
And what version of Kontakt are you currently running?
V4, V5, and the latest 5.x are all very different beasts.
If you have an i7, 16 gig ram, a properly configured nvidia video card
with the official nvidia driver, a realtime or low-latency kernel,
and are willing to use wine-staging, repleat with customizations
just for Kontakt, performance should be fine, for basic multi-track recordings.
But you'll be pioneering, turning the knobs yourself,
and discovering issues as you go.
These are all moving targets, so once you achieve stability,
image your drive, back up the image, and experiment only
with installs on a separate drive.
I recall one person in the main reaper forum, a few years back,
said he was running large complex Kontakt sessions. So there's
not a huge pool of anecdotal evidence to draw from.
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I have about 100 wrapped plugins, some of them run better
in reaper with wine. Especially 32 bit synthedit plugins.
Some plugins don't yet work by wrapping, but that's still
unfolding and getting better. Most of my commercial purchases
run well when wrapped for linux. Including some old ones
I thought would never work in anylinux/wine variation.
A year from now, there should be more precise results.
Reading back into the thread, there are many valuable points
made by the people writing the code, many of my long held
beliefs and assumptions were utterly destroyed by their
willingness to impart valuable knowlege. Good times!
Cheers
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07-01-2017, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Ok, seems like I must stay with Microsoft still for the time being...
One day I will leave you Windows. One. Day.
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Go ahead and make a linux audio setup on
an external drive. There are many valuable tools for a linux audio setup.
You might want Harrison Mixbus for mastering, or find
some value in Bitwig sample content etc, so a linux
install to an external drive is a worthy possession,
regardless of Kontakt. Zynaddsubfx is 16 part multi-tymbral,
with built-in effects. Comparable instruments are very
thin on the ground. You can resample Kontakt drums
and make new Hydrogen kits, utilizing is pattern, song,
and effects slots, to great effect.
etc.
Cheers
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07-01-2017, 09:50 PM
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#2094
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Human being with feelings
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Reaper on Linux
hi guys, so, my heart goes out to you, to me. As was said, the only reason I have Windoze is because of Reaper. but, i must say this, watch out? cos, Ardour 5 is getting better and better, I nearly swapped.
now, we all know, Reaper is the best, but, the best? for how long? Ardour now has LUFS ananysis built in (v5) and , Harrison, anyone? so,
we, "we" should start a petition, otherwise nothing will change..
"we" want Reaper on Linux, exactly as we have it now..
because, we are all, sooner or later, gona drop windows, and, with Ardour looming, we WILL make the sacrifice..
again, anyone with a brain is gona drop Windoze.. so, who is gona fill that gap, Justintime?
we WILL move.. cos, we HAVE to..
btw?? it, for us? is not about VST's.. it is about quality of real instruments, real music making.. so, Jusin? listen to the change?
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07-01-2017, 09:56 PM
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Reaper on Linux
btw, know why VST's wont run on Linux? cos Steinberg keep the license. that's all.
imagine. what is it? to read a binary file? a licence. Steinberg don't want you doing this. like Windoze doesn't want you being free to install what you want on your computer? what? reading a DVD is ILLEGAL in the US? on a Linux machine? cos you ain't paid nuff yet! what? like, unblocking a phone? illegal? you paid for it. they tell you what you can do with it? ???? try telling that to the french?!
martial law, soon,already, stealth.
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07-01-2017, 10:05 PM
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#2096
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Human being with feelings
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btw
anyone ever stop to think? 99% of all Machines world-wide run on Linux? but, you, cannot have a VST or, Reaper, run on Linux? nope. they can send machines to Mars, apparently, on Linux, but, nope, you, Sir/Madam, cannot have a VST , on earth, on Linux.
so,
money,
anyone???
I dO hope Justin is watching this, cos, as I said? real musicians? who just need the thing to work? well, we WILL swap, sooner or later..
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07-01-2017, 10:13 PM
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Reaper, Linux
case in point. I just installed Linux on all four machines..
the i7 laptop, the 12 GB ram Xeon main, and the other two..
Ardour5 works for me very well what I need to do, not all the other stuff that is great to have, I mean, what I need to have..
it just works..
I hate, HATE giving up Reaper, but, I will , as will everyone else.
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07-01-2017, 10:18 PM
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btw
for you guys. Reaper, in action, all instruments, real, by me. see what I mean?
no VSTs. so?
https://williamstewartviolinist.band...m/songs-of-war
We, will all move, sooner or later, because we just don't want Microsoft sending our Data on our time, on our bandwidth, so they can give a 10M bonus to some asshole? na,
I make music. So, Linux is the future. 99% of the world already knows this, it is only you who pays for Windows and Mac.
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07-01-2017, 10:26 PM
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again, last thought?
er, you Do know that Ardour 5 has LUA script built in, too? see? it is just a matter of time.
sooner or later, we will all move. why? because we will HAVE to.
will we give up some nice stuff in Reaper? like Regions? yep. cos, ardour is making a very good case , AND, does regions very well.. not yet as well as Reaper,yet, but, the future? guess what?
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07-01-2017, 10:33 PM
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#2100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4duhwinnn
The first steps of reliability will be installation/registration.
What version of windows or 0Sx are you using for
your current Kontakt installation?
And what version of Kontakt are you currently running?
V4, V5, and the latest 5.x are all very different beasts.
If you have an i7, 16 gig ram, a properly configured nvidia video card
with the official nvidia driver, a realtime or low-latency kernel,
and are willing to use wine-staging, repleat with customizations
just for Kontakt, performance should be fine, for basic multi-track recordings.
But you'll be pioneering, turning the knobs yourself,
and discovering issues as you go.
These are all moving targets, so once you achieve stability,
image your drive, back up the image, and experiment only
with installs on a separate drive.
I recall one person in the main reaper forum, a few years back,
said he was running large complex Kontakt sessions. So there's
not a huge pool of anecdotal evidence to draw from.
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I have about 100 wrapped plugins, some of them run better
in reaper with wine. Especially 32 bit synthedit plugins.
Some plugins don't yet work by wrapping, but that's still
unfolding and getting better. Most of my commercial purchases
run well when wrapped for linux. Including some old ones
I thought would never work in anylinux/wine variation.
A year from now, there should be more precise results.
Reading back into the thread, there are many valuable points
made by the people writing the code, many of my long held
beliefs and assumptions were utterly destroyed by their
willingness to impart valuable knowlege. Good times!
Cheers
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ja, exactly my point. make it work, you. after you bought and paid for it.. this is why people still use windows. a closed system, who knew what they were doing with the code, well, now we do.. they are selling you. so, the only question remaining is, when do you get out?
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07-01-2017, 11:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theviolinist
btw, know why VST's wont run on Linux? cos Steinberg keep the license. that's all.
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The VST3 SDK is on GitHub: https://github.com/steinbergmedia/vst3sdk
Supported OS:
Microsoft Windows 7-10
Apple OSX 10.7-10.12
Apple iOS 8-9
Linux (Preview)
This Software Development Kit is licensed under the terms of the Steinberg VST3 License, or alternatively under the terms of the General Public License (GPL) Version 3.
You may use the Software Development Kit according to either of these licenses as it is most appropriate for your project on a case-by-case basis (commercial or not).
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07-02-2017, 12:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theviolinist
..Ardour5 works for me very well what I need to do, not all the other stuff that is great to have, I mean, what I need to have..
it just works..
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Meaning that it runs your mission critical Windows VSTs ?
-Michael
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07-02-2017, 11:31 AM
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Violinist, does Ardour have notation? No? Then how are they going to be better than Reaper?
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07-02-2017, 12:25 PM
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I've tried Ardour, occasionally, and it's just silly why bother with it when we have Reaper..
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07-02-2017, 12:38 PM
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Bitwig is another DAW you can use on Linux, but, like Ardour, it also does not have notation. Why shut out a significant block of potential users? Why not appeal to all potential users? It's just not good business sense.
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07-02-2017, 09:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnish
I've tried Ardour, occasionally, and it's just silly why bother with it when we have Reaper..
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I've been happy being able to be able to work/play
in multiple daw softwares, mainly Reaper via wine,
with linux itself as daw-in-chief. It's lucky
to have familiarity with a variety of tools.
When Zebra2 and the other U-he plugins were ported to linux,
it upped the game for linux daw software. The Qtractor dev
worked hard to achieve solid linux-vst support, and it put
the burden on other linux devs to follow suit. Harrison released
their Mixbus, sort of an 'ardour pro', Bitwig stayed in the game,
and then the Reaper linux version started getting serious attention,
and here we are, with a solid linux Reaper, among many fine options.
Each developer has their own plan, goals, and desires.
Their products don't have to share duplicate feature sets,
but market forces will exert their energy, and business
is never carved in stone. Change is the one certainty,
and for linux based musicians, things are changing for the better.
Cheers
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07-03-2017, 11:19 PM
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Poor lonesome cowboy
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Reaper V5.50rc4 works quite good for the main feature within Linux Mint Sarah cinnamon (4.8.0.53low latency). (jack and Alsa)
Don't know if it was mentionned earlier and if it's the case on every distro but for the moment :
-Configuration import/export doesn't work (workaround: I copied/ pasted config file manually. Quite painfull though)
-Custom toolbar icons are note apllied
-eel & lua scripts
-things about pitch shift mode algorithm of course
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07-04-2017, 01:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neilerua
-eel & lua scripts
-things about pitch shift mode algorithm of course
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What is broken with eel & lua scripts? AFAIK they work fine, we even have reapack running on linux. Of course I haven't tried all scripts, but am pretty sure that I've run both eel and lua ones.
Elastique2 seems quite broken, but I've successfully used e2 in efficient mode, the other modes seem to segfault reaper.
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07-04-2017, 03:53 AM
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Poor lonesome cowboy
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Ok ! Thanks for your feedback . I figure out my problem with scripts. I've probably done something wrong when I copied/pasted my .reaperConfig. All my scripts are duplicated in my action list, a real mess! One out of two is working, I ought to clean it up a little bit.
Nethertheless, I've missed something about the Reapack, how do we run it on linux ? I only found MacosX or Win installer on the Reapack main page (of course linux not officialy supported yet).I grabbed something for SWS extensions in the french forum section, and it works great... But nothing about the reapack plug in...
I didn't find any entry for Elastic2 in the Project settings window, I only have "soundtouch" and "simple windowed"...
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07-04-2017, 05:45 AM
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I built it from source, but there is a linux binary on https://github.com/cfillion/reapack/...r_reapack64.so. IIRC the .so file goes into ~/.REAPER/UserPlugins (same place as reaper_sws64.so).
Regarding elastique2.so, it was removed from reaper due to making it crash, but for me efficient mode works. You can get it from lol in the old directory. Hopefully it will work for you too in efficient mode. That goes into the Plugins subdirectory of the reaper application directory.
I can at least confirm your problem with exporting the configuration. I don't seem to be able to mark any checkboxes, so this looks truly broken.
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07-04-2017, 06:08 AM
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Ya, I need notation. I literally went from Sibelius to Reaper, and for my uses, Reaper notation is actually *better* than Sibelius. I don't think anything could make me leave Reaper.
Well.... except Windows.
It's like, your best friend lives inside your worst enemy, and every day to see your best friend, you must crawl inside of your enemy.
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07-04-2017, 09:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Ya, I need notation. I literally went from Sibelius to Reaper, and for my uses, Reaper notation is actually *better* than Sibelius. I don't think anything could make me leave Reaper.
Well.... except Windows.
It's like, your best friend lives inside your worst enemy, and every day to see your best friend, you must crawl inside of your enemy.
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My solution, for now, is that I use Windows 7 Pro on my music computer, but keep it offline by default. It's offline 97% of the time. I use an older computer for online life, with Linux. currently, I have Ubuntu Mate and LXLE. I'm waiting for Zorin 12 Lite to go public. I demoed the beta and really liked it. Those will be my three Linux distros for awhile. Until I get bored and go looking for a new "Linux Interest."
I'm not quite ready to test out Linux Reaper. I'm too dependent on Windows VST's for orchestral music, and need that to be working before I make the switch. There just are not good Linux vst's, at least to my ears, for orchestral collections.
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07-04-2017, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by neilerua
-Configuration import/export doesn't work (workaround: I copied/ pasted config file manually. Quite painfull though)
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If you can build swell yourself, that has been fixed now.
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07-04-2017, 05:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. PC
Well.... except Windows.
It's like, your best friend lives inside your worst enemy, and every day to see your best friend, you must crawl inside of your enemy.
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I hear that.
I'm about to put together a hackintosh for daw and other uses (waiting for parts arrival). Although with the Reaper linux native progress, that machine may just end up running linux instead. Either way, my laptop will go back to linux with a Reaper install there, too.
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07-04-2017, 06:58 PM
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Thinking of what plugins I need on a linux daw in order to narrow things down to a small set.
Drums: I think I like the sound of Addictive Drums the most out of everything that I have tried. So Ezdrummer goes. I have generally liked Toontrack as a company, though.
Sampler, etc.: Komplete. Realistically, I'm not going to use much of it and not that often. And I'm not a fan of Native Instruments as a company at all. It goes.
Synthesis: As long as Reaktor runs ok, I see it staying around for experimenting and learning. If Pd had better documentation...
Amp sims: What amp sims are you using on linux? I'm not crazy about the things, but it is nice to have something around sometimes. My general issues with them are lackings in harmonics, dynamic gain, dynamic resonances, overall character, (like a plastic version of wood, really) and I think what is called granulation noise in the decay and upper frequencies. But I digress.
For the commercial vst variety (just my opinion):
Guitar Rig: Sounds thin, hard, and ugly to my ears. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
S-Gear: I know there is alot of hype about it, but it completely lacks any character to my ears. Very boring. No go.
On the other end of the spectrum, some of the sims in Amplitube are usable for monkeying around (which I do alot of), but many sound too bright and generally hyped in certain frequencies.
Revalver is kind of ok, I suppose (it has been a while since I last used it). It is more geared toward gain-bangers, though, which I am not.
Despite my issues with Podfarm - oddly it has the most character but still very plasticy at the same time - I have managed to get along best with it's amp models, but it isn't happening on linux.
So for an amp sim, I'm looking for something that does classic fender stuff half respectively. I guess it will be Amplitube, but I'm always hoping that there is something on the horizon which doesn't sound plasticy, hyped, with a grainy decay, and has some good character, dynamic behavior (gain and resonance), and rich harmonics. But that is wishful thinking.
Mix plugins or suite: No idea. I dread even getting into it, honestly. I have been using free plugins on this front, but those are 32-bit. I'm half wondering if anyone has tried Nebula on linux and what the experience might have been like.
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Last edited by brainwreck; 07-04-2017 at 07:16 PM.
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07-05-2017, 06:34 AM
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Bug in import MIDI (type 0)?
I import a midi file(type 0), as "Single-channel items on multiple tracks". Reaper 5 Linux will crash. When it crashed, terminal show "segmentation fault (core dumped) reaper5". Reaper wine is fine.
If i import a midi file(type 0) as "Multichannel item o n a single track", Reapaer 5 Linux can import it.
Have you meet a similar situation?
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07-05-2017, 07:00 AM
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@brainwreck
check our "Spark" if you haven't yet: www.mercuriall.com/cms/details_spark
It's Marshall only but maybe the Plexi model comes close to what you need. It works fine with LinVst as far as I tested.
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07-05-2017, 08:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wastee
I import a midi file(type 0), as "Single-channel items on multiple tracks". Reaper 5 Linux will crash. When it crashed, terminal show "segmentation fault (core dumped) reaper5". Reaper wine is fine.
If i import a midi file(type 0) as "Multichannel item o n a single track", Reapaer 5 Linux can import it.
Have you meet a similar situation?
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Edit: thanks, fixing in swell! Edit again: fixed in WDL.git, will also be fixed in the next build
Last edited by Justin; 07-05-2017 at 02:28 PM.
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07-05-2017, 02:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
Amp sims: What amp sims are you using on linux?
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BlueCat Destructor is great for easily crafting sounds,
and has a nice collection to try.
The linux osxmidi port of Scorchcrafter is a great surprise,
the nine channel options cover a wide range, and it's easy
to use effectively.
I use Poulin LeCab for capsim/IR
and a Fender Mustang usb amp for input,
which provides a great range of input tone
to start with. A highly over-looked part
of computer based guitars.
Mercurial JCM800 freebie is excellent,
they provide a free cabsim as well.
Based on trying those, I'll guess their commercial
products are top-of-the-line.
A couple of Fender IR's are at the link,
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=16857
a Blues Jr. and Deluxe Reverb. I've read that
PodFarm is vastly improved by quality IRs,
probably holds true for all ampsims, as they aren't
the flashy shiny parts, and are just now receiving
heavy developement.
The linux Guitarix app and it's many plugins are also
worth checking, continual additions and updates.
Their recent bass-amp plugin is very useful.
Guitarix takes some time to test, as it's quite comprehensive.
The linux Harrison Mixbus daw has some great mastering
plugins, even the defaults are quite useful, and is
priced to increase the userbase.
I like the Amplitube 4 custom shop, ala-cart sales model.
It's easy to try gear for 48 hours, for those don't need
'it all', just buy what you want.
Headcase from ACMEbargig is in a state of flux,
I think the main dev has arranged for the code work
to be continued, but you need facebook to follow the trail.
Great results available for the lucky ones.
Last but not least, I've read many good things about the Reaper plugins,
but have never tried them in all the years I've enjoyed using Reaper.
No excuse, beyond the speed of Earth's rotation...
Cheers
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07-06-2017, 12:50 AM
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I've added a realtime audio LinVst version (LinVst-rt) which may help with xruns in some cases https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst/releases
I've been testing with Linux Ardour, Bitwig, Tracktion and Reaper and on my old dual core laptop Linux Reaper is often running Linux and Windows vst's at around half the cpu usage then Ardour, Bitwig and Tracktion.
So, Linux Reaper wins, at least on my system.
Last edited by osxmidi; 07-06-2017 at 01:10 AM.
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