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08-11-2017, 06:51 AM
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Gone With The Wind Again!
I've spent a fair bit of time trying to get my production sounding lusher on this little song. It works for me. I added strings and more choral backing. https://barrykingsbeer.bandcamp.com/...-with-the-wind
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08-26-2017, 12:36 PM
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Hello Barry,
Gave a listen in my headphones. I enjoyed the words and you sang them well. Perhaps the lyrincs are based on a true story in your own life?? I also liked the tremolo solo (or rotary speaker, I can never tell. I just like guitar solos with effects). In my cans there was maybe a smidge too much low end for my taste. Personally I would have liked a bit more snare side stick volume and perhaps to eq the backup vocals at 2:55 a little higher to separate from your voice a bit more.
Strong work again!
Sam
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08-26-2017, 12:49 PM
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Thanks for the input Sam. The biggest loss in my life was the accidental death of my son Simon at 17, now many years ago but never forgotten. We miss him every single day. I can't cite that as influencing this song but we all have experiences that shape us one way or another. Lyrically I just try to write a story that will resonate with the listener. I rarely draw on my own personal life, I'll never know how Eric Clapton was able to sing about his dead little boy. That would be too hard to do. As for the tech critique I'll re-visit the song bearing in mind what you've said. Another set of ears is of great value as we get so close to our songs I think we stop hearing anything except what we think we want to hear.
Tremolo not Leslie. I played years ago in the 70s in a band with Chris Williams an amazing guitarist/singer/songwriter from Dorset you may find some of his work with the Average Blues Band on YT and he ran a mic from his amp into a Vox rotary cabinet. He would only use the effect very sparingly but it used to send shivers up my spine when he did. No sim ever comes close to horn rotating on axis.
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08-26-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sammartin23
Strong work again!
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indeed!!!
yes, would push the drums against the low end bass a bit too
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08-27-2017, 12:04 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your son. I have a 14 year old boy and can't imagine.
I think I'm the opposite of you as I frequently write about stuff in my own life. When my dad died I wrote a couple songs about it which helped express my feelings at the time.
I agree completely about fresh sets of ears. It's so easy to box yourself in. That's why I've been posting songs from my album-in-progress here on the forum.
I have never heard an actual leslie but I have read that they sound fantastic. I'll check him out on YT.
Sam
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08-27-2017, 12:23 PM
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Thanks Sam, keep him close and treasure every minute you have together. I've been able to write about losing Simon in a couple of poems but I can't bear to to make music from it, it just doesn't feel right. We keep him alive by talking about him so he remains a part of our life. Over the years I've tried writing songs about my wife Wendy and find it almost impossible to express what I feel about her adequately. I have one in the pipeline at the moment that comes close, not sure though that it will see the light of day it could just be my holy grail and impossible to achieve. We'll see. I think I prefer to have a distance between my life and my songs and write in hopefully believable generalities.
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08-27-2017, 01:54 PM
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I get it completely. There can be so much emotion in just a few words in a song. How do you ensure it's good enough to do the person justice and encapture who he or she is or was? Or how you feel? Can it ever be good enough?
For my first wedding anniversary back in 2001 I wrote a song for my wife and recorded it on my old Yamaha minidisc recorder that I had just got. Usually it takes me months of adding a few words here and there to the music, but this time the words just sort of wrote themselves, as it's based loosely on how we met. The stars were aligned I guess, so to speak. I consider it probably the best song I'll ever write. I was extremely lucky to have two world class musicians play on it. A local Eau Claire, Wisconsin guitar god named Mike Schlenker and Carrie Underwood's longtime fiddle player, Jimmy Herman before he moved to Nashville and got famous. (It's "look at you" on my soundcloud page if you want to check it out)
Last edited by sammartin23; 08-27-2017 at 02:01 PM.
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08-28-2017, 03:49 AM
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You were lucky to have that mp3 left. Lovely girls you have there but you know that. Cheers from a very warm and sunny August bank holiday England (not often we get to say that I can tell you).
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08-31-2017, 04:03 PM
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Skilled writing and an expressive performance. Sorry about your son, Barry. That's hard.
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09-01-2017, 04:33 AM
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Thank you Tim. I appreciate your comments.
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09-01-2017, 04:39 AM
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Great production, Barry. The only thing it could use, but doesn't need is some steel guitar. Sounds very pro.
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09-01-2017, 01:40 PM
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Much obliged. Pedal steel has to be the most arcane of instruments and so hard to play. I love it when it's played well. Played some gigs years ago with Jerry Hogan the steelie with Albert Lee and Emmylou's Hot Band here in the UK. I just used to stand behind him and watch, half the time I'd forget to head back to the mic. I'm friends with a player in the States but he doesn't have recording software sadly.
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09-04-2017, 03:58 PM
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Beautiful track Barry. I feel a lightly played Rhodes piano wouldn't be out of place in this song but that's just subjective opinion of course.
You sang it great, in the first 40 secs there are maybe a few very slightly pitchy notes. "lie" and "upon" come to mind,for the rest of the song you were pretty much spot on, though "upon" sounded again to me evver so slightly pitchy, the last or second to last one. Songs of this kind have a lot of focus and scrutiny on the vocal of course. Even so I'm prolly overdoing the critique. Great stuff, cheers.
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09-05-2017, 11:27 AM
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Thanks for the comments Morgon. Yes for me there's often a judgement call re the balance between nature and studio perfection, sometimes you make the wrong call. Also I'm guilty of wanting to finish a song and "get it out there" a bit too quickly. On such a vocal oriented song I should have run some more vocal takes and may well do so in the coming days to sweeten up the tuning. Fender Rhodes, add that to the Mellotron and you have my two favourite keyboards of all time. If only I had one and could play it....
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09-05-2017, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by barrymk
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A hearty hello barrymk-it works for me too.Thanking you.
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Beautiful track Barry. I feel a lightly played Rhodes piano wouldn't be out of place in this song but that's just subjective opinion of course.
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^Agree-there could be some great harmonies added to really give extra depths.
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The biggest loss in my life was the accidental death of my son Simon at 17, now many years ago but never forgotten..
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Here's how I see it -we never truly part- they are always just there,right by your side at all times.
We speak of music and transitions-this is all it is--1 state to the next-there is no actual seperations=only a deepening connection of the souls.
Some will morn,but I choose the celebrations and joy that is life (well try to...heh)
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but this time the words just sort of wrote themselves, as it's based loosely on how we met. The stars were aligned I guess, so to speak.
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You speak well imo-some stuff literally 'writes itself'- it's just an expansion of the senses I guess. =)
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warm and sunny August bank holiday England (not often we get to say that I can tell you).
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ROFL.True toooo true.
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On such a vocal oriented song I should have run some more vocal takes and may well do so in the coming days to sweeten up the tuning
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Can I ask-who done the backings here?
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Fender Rhodes, add that to the Mellotron and you have my two favourite keyboards of all time. If only I had one and could play it....
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This day you can have not just 1,but many of these keyboards and devices {ITB} - some are close to 'identical' virtually... + you know you can play,so whats up!!?!!!
Cheers.
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09-05-2017, 02:17 PM
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Thanks for the comments Bri. Re my late son Simon he is always with us and that is a pain and a joy at the same time. I know what you mean about virtual instrument availability it's simply that I'm not a keys player just a three finger hacker and having played in bands with superb musicians at most stages of my life I don't like to settle for just OK. Sometimes I get lucky and my mate Mikael Sundh in Sweden does the guitar player honours but I can't ask him to play on all my stuff as he has his own songwriting and recording. Re the backings it's all me, instruments and vocals plus drum prog. Harmonies are multi-tracked and layered. I thought this song was finished looks like I may have to re-visit it. Cheers
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09-06-2017, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by barrymk
my mate Mikael Sundh in Sweden does the guitar player honours but I can't ask him to play on all my stuff as he has his own songwriting and recording
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Yes you can and if it should get too much, I let you know
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09-06-2017, 09:10 AM
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Yes you can and if it should get too much, I let you know
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I appreciate that very much Mikael.
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09-06-2017, 02:35 PM
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Very moving song and sang with expression. You can tell you took a little extra care with this one.
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09-06-2017, 03:03 PM
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Thanks Sammy. I'm just putting the polish on version 2, I've worked on getting a lead vocal with better pitch and added some more BVs to fatten it out. Funny thing I really find this song hard to sing in tune, must be something about the key and my vocal range.
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09-06-2017, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by barrymk
Thanks Sammy. I'm just putting the polish on version 2, I've worked on getting a lead vocal with better pitch and added some more BVs to fatten it out. Funny thing I really find this song hard to sing in tune, must be something about the key and my vocal range.
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I think "in tune" would take some of the emotion away. Not that I think it's so out of tune now.
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09-06-2017, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sammydix
I think "in tune" would take some of the emotion away. Not that I think it's so out of tune now.
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I agree, I wouldn't redo the track, there was only 4 maybe 5 sung notes that I would tweak slightly or redo, but the rest I would keep exactly as is.
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09-07-2017, 07:26 AM
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Emotion override perfect audio or perfect pitch.
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