Old 12-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #161
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serr, many times that can be explained by the fact that a large number of beginners will end up starting on windows
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:39 PM   #162
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #163
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They were just once far more reliable and you could be sure of getting pretty much the same level of performance and result each time you used them. That probably wasn't true of the PC running Windows.

BUT, the Windows operating system has grown a lot, as have machine specs, so you can get great and equal results these days in Windows.

Cost wise? This isn't true anymore (unless your comparing super machines), the MAC is exceptionally affordable if you go for something like a MAC mini which starts at around £300 for a specification that easily meets the recording I do. And doesn't make a sound, which I'm grateful for.

At work, two of our developers bought MAC minis and installed Windows 7 on them because the specification was better that an equally spec'd PC.
Where can you get a new Mac Mini for £300? The cheapest new one (inc VAT) I can find is £468.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:48 AM   #164
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I moved from pc to mac about a year ago. I had a hp laptop (broke down btw. and my brother's hp laptop had overheating issue caused by idiotic fan design. HP never again.) before and reasons why i chose mac were:

1. i really prefer osx user interface to win7.
2. osx is unix so i have a real command terminal to use and the same tools that i use on my studies with linux-machines work on my laptop as well.
3. with pc i always had problems with poor quality power supply (poor SMPS on my hp caused a lot of noise on live situations) and i really didn't want to use a lot of time finding a pc with a decent pover supply. Never had those problems with my mac.
4. on my pc i always had to switch off wireless network because it caused pops and glitches with asio drivers (it was usual practice to suggest this as a solution to sound problems). Never had those problems with my mac.
5. after fighting for a millionth time with windows registry issues i swore i would never again use a microsoft product.

Windows works great on a dedicated daw machine. So if you are building a studio machine go with pc. If you however want to use your computer for everything else too mac has (or at least had 2 years ago) a lot less problems.

During the last 10 years windows has become a lot better. With xp and vista dll hell was still very common (especially with printers and some games making their own updates on system libraries). Win7 has suffered much less from dll issues. However with mac i've never suffered from any dependency issues (although i've heard there has been some in the past).

I actually have a win7 dualboot on this mbp. I need it because i have to use sonar in one project every spring. Otherwise i use it for gaming. Only one major registry issue so far.

Edit: I've very little experience with win8. Tested it in store but at least that unit had some weird problems with touch gestures not working properly. With mouse the metro ui was absolutely hideous to use. The graphics are over simplified to the level where they look god but are extremely uninformative (you cannot for exemple always tell which parts are buttons). And most of the applications would anyways throw you back to traditional desktop. I don't know how stable it is but the ui needs a lot of tweaking.

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Old 01-04-2013, 04:04 AM   #165
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Because of sad stories like this…. http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=115056

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Old 01-04-2013, 05:14 AM   #166
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Having used both I have to say the draw for OSX for me would be going back to use logic. But I'm really enjoying reaper so no....

While Apple charge £983475297230834 for their old, outdated powermacs that my gran would sniff at, I won't move to mac.

If they seriously update their powermacs and do it quick then they might be in with a chance.

Even then I can build a machine myself with twice the power at half the price and as long as you do your research with components it will be fine.

When the day comes that apple go, "fair enough, we can't charge a quadrillion quid for old kit" things might change.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:50 PM   #167
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Apple makes simple, durable machines that just work. The OS is very user friendly, and so is the hardware itself. Overpriced, most definitely, but they do keep their value well and will last a very long time. IMO for a laptop macs are the way to go, but when it comes to a desktop PCs undoubtedly take the cake.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:57 PM   #168
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LOL.
that WAS very confusing.

how does someone who begins end up starting?

oh, how we speak vs. how we write vs. how we internet
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Because of sad stories like this…. http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=115056

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Old 01-17-2013, 04:26 PM   #170
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Good to see my pain can be used as a reference to others
It's said that "pain has no memory", but I would add, except in dealing with computers..

But happily I don't include my MacBook in the above, which has never let me down, has survived a 5 foot drop, and after over 4 years of use, is costing me pennies a day in ownership, which sounds like great value for money to me.

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Old 01-21-2013, 01:08 PM   #171
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I'm curious to see your viewpoints and opinions on this...
I was a long time Linux user, then in 2009 I bought an iMac for the following reasons:
- It is (or at least it was) the only REALLY SILENT computer. No other brand has ever paid attention to noise like Apple did. Not even very high end pc manufacturers; the only option is to buy specific audio configurations, that cost more than Macs just because they are silent and audio-optimized (but Macs already are... or were). The difference is absolutely noticeable on desktops, almost embarassing on laptops.
- CoreAudio is simply the best sound server on the planet. Only on OSX you can play using Guitar Rig with no audible latency over a backing track that's playing from Youtube. No other sound server lets you do that: when you fire up ASIO/Jack, only one app at a time controls the sound card. It may sound less important, but a sum of many little things like this makes the Mac easy to use, Windows cumbersome, and Linux something in between.
- I could have all the commercial audio plugins without giving up Unix. Bash is still there, I had /dev and /etc and all the tidy Unix environment I fell in love with. And I didn't have to do some strange Wine trickery to get a VST working.

Then, Lion and Mountain lion came up, and the iMac became that sort of digital photoframe with poor ventilation that it is today... I switched to an Asus laptop with Windows 8, and in the next future I'll build an Ivy Bridge-based fanless custom build.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:13 AM   #172
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Do let us know how that turns out, and post in the Tips and Tricks forum mate.

We all love to hear about clever PC builds.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:59 AM   #173
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serr, many times that can be explained by the fact that a large number of beginners will end up starting on windows
Not me, I was so retarded back then, that I started with a Commodore VIC 20
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:15 AM   #174
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It’s all changing fast,

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/educatio...r-a-pc-company
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:18 AM   #175
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I was an apple guy when I had my G4, which was I think for the time the best computer available, period.

When apple dropped their PPC customers like a hot potato, I struggled on with OS9 for a while. Tried to make OSX work for a time with ever increasing need for hacks and workarounds. In the end decided to return the favor and drop apple like a hot potato and now make my own PCs (I've even built a couple of hackintoshes for other people just out of spite )

I won't do anymore business with them and will never buy another one of their increasingly dumbed down, non backward compatible products. They have an alarming propensity to just abandon their existing, loyal customer base for something new and shiny!

I also feel like the whole "Think Different" era ended a long while ago. They're a mega corporation only interested in making as much money as possible these days. So I might as well give less of my money to other mega corporations only interested in making money, to get essentially the same or a better product

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Old 05-21-2013, 02:23 AM   #176
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I just taking a glance through this thread and a lot of people seem to think that Apple use Linux. Let's be clear here, Apple do not and have never used Linux, they cannot use it, as to use freely open software that you can use to do whatever you wish with your computer goes against Apple's ethos of One store to rule them all, Apple would never be able to comply with the requirements set out by the GPL agreements, and they certainly do not contribute anything new to the Linux code base, which is much better than OS X by a long stretch. I'm aware that Apple sometimes uses GPL'd software and tries to pass it off their own, <cough>Konquorer</cough> without placing their changes back upstream until they are forced to do it. For this reason a lot of Apple's users are actively partaking in patent violation. Linux users are not, and how do we know? We can see the code for the linux kernel in all its entirety, you do not have this luxury with OS X, yet OS X seems to have everything that many of the distro's have 3 months after its main release. Remember this term .Wayland. You heard it here first. Who will be the first to implement it after linux users have it and use it. Will it be Microsoft, or will it be Apple? I think we all know the answer to that.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:09 PM   #177
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Nice soapbox rant.

For the record: OS X is based on BSD, not Linux. FreeBSD is like Linux, with quality control. (OK, that's just a smart-ass remark, but with some truth in it.) Apple has, in fact, contributed a lot of development of open source components; and they are not violating any licenses by using FreeBSD code.

Show me a Linux distro that you can set up a decent DAW on without a she-tonne of tweaking and then we'll talk. And for the record: yes, I have used Linux; compiled kernels & source, configured X by hand, etc...and I'm very glad that Apple has taken care of all that for me, so I can get on with recording.
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:14 AM   #178
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cheers friendly folks, this is my first post. switched from long time dos/win to linux several years ago but have an mac to do music and text crossplatform apps. Mac is mostly cool but also not bugfree and has only creative spirit if your just a user. Curiously what brought my attention to reaper was its Perl support. As being an hardcore perl dev I appreciate that very much and hope its still in place. That doesn't mean that i will throw my stonemountain away, but I see here some features which I plan to use. Best to you all

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