Old 04-14-2010, 06:19 AM   #1
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This one is written by a friend who came over last week, initially just to put down some accoustic guitar to a click so he could then work up the rest of the song.
But we ended up with this

What do you think ?, song, mix etc,

The singing is very pitchy in places i know , right at the edge of my range. But my mate has a singer friend and he is most likely putting the vocals down for it soon.

EDIT: sorry having a problem with the link, will upload soon.
EDIT: working now

http://www.box.net/shared/oo88cjne2c


EDIT: New mix http://www.box.net/shared/quhjgg3567


EDIT No 2: Here is the latest mix http://www.box.net/shared/cm7laudn4a


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Old 04-14-2010, 08:29 AM   #2
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I like the song a lot and the mix is very good. You've got a nice sliding double-stop hook between verses. I think that a simple 3 or 4 note guitar licks bracketing the phrases in the verses could really lift this song to the next level - perhaps something like Neil Young might do. By the way, I find the vocal to be quite appealing even though you are pushing your range limits.

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Old 04-14-2010, 10:59 AM   #3
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Great stuff mate. I think the drums and bass are sounding great and the song is very good. I agree with T that you could rustle up more hookiness from the guitar.
I think I would like to hear the electric split into lead and rhythm parts with a sharper more compact sound on the rhythm. If I might be hyper critical I think that the guitar parts could be a little more sharply played timing wise.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:33 PM   #4
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Great song, I think it sounds great as well, as far as the vocals I think they fit the song, kinda Tom Petty like. Good job.
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I like the song a lot and the mix is very good. You've got a nice sliding double-stop hook between verses. I think that a simple 3 or 4 note guitar licks bracketing the phrases in the verses could really lift this song to the next level - perhaps something like Neil Young might do. By the way, I find the vocal to be quite appealing even though you are pushing your range limits.

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Thanks for listening, and for the encouraging comments, I'm sure we'll be doing more work on this song so i'll see if i can come up with some guitar hook in the verses.




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Great stuff mate. I think the drums and bass are sounding great and the song is very good. I agree with T that you could rustle up more hookiness from the guitar.
I think I would like to hear the electric split into lead and rhythm parts with a sharper more compact sound on the rhythm. If I might be hyper critical I think that the guitar parts could be a little more sharply played timing wise.
Thanks spike, this is one of the first mixes where I can say that i'm actually happy with the Bass sound , yey!!! at last.

AFA the guitar timing, are you refering to the accoustic or electric parts, or both ?

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Great song, I think it sounds great as well, as far as the vocals I think they fit the song, kinda Tom Petty like. Good job.
WOW, "kinda Tom Petty like" man you don't know how good that makes me feel ,

Glad you all liked the song.

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Old 04-16-2010, 01:36 AM   #6
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This one is written by a friend who came over last week, initially just to put down some accoustic guitar to a click so he could then work up the rest of the song.
But we ended up with this

What do you think ?, song, mix etc,

The singing is very pitchy in places i know , right at the edge of my range. But my mate has a singer friend and he is most likely putting the vocals down for it soon.

EDIT: sorry having a problem with the link, will upload soon.
EDIT 2 : working now

http://www.box.net/shared/oo88cjne2c


Cheers
very nice hook! I imagine some background chorus and some more instruments like a B3, at least here and there.
Concerning the "telephone voice" at the end: I would either exaggerate it to alienate it even more or do without it.

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Old 04-16-2010, 04:18 AM   #7
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AFA the guitar timing, are you refering to the accoustic or electric parts, or both ?
Electric - acoustic sounds great.
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:34 PM   #8
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really cool song. I am listening on headphones (middle of the night here).
What I notice is that the electric is quite louder than the acoustic. it sounds a little unbalanced this way, at least on headphones (AKG K 271 MK II)

I like the vocals the way they are. No need for perfection here !
Yet I would love some backing vocals on this one. that would make the chorus take off even more.
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Old 04-17-2010, 08:44 AM   #9
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This one is written by a friend who came over last week, initially just to put down some accoustic guitar to a click so he could then work up the rest of the song.
But we ended up with this

What do you think ?, song, mix etc,

The singing is very pitchy in places i know , right at the edge of my range. But my mate has a singer friend and he is most likely putting the vocals down for it soon.

EDIT: sorry having a problem with the link, will upload soon.
EDIT 2 : working now

http://www.box.net/shared/oo88cjne2c


Cheers
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liked it - out of the John Lennon "working class hero" influence
comparisons aside, it stands on its own as a song - the singing fits well with the feel
i'm too new at computed recording to comment accurately on the recording although in this song
under produced rather than over produced
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:20 AM   #10
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very nice hook! I imagine some background chorus and some more instruments like a B3, at least here and there.
Concerning the "telephone voice" at the end: I would either exaggerate it to alienate it even more or do without it.

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Yeah we will be doing more with this song in the future so i'll keep your thoughts in mind.

Thanks for listening.

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Electric - acoustic sounds great.
Hmmm... that would be my sloppy Guitar playing , i'll see if i can do something with it when we revisit the song.

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really cool song. I am listening on headphones (middle of the night here).
What I notice is that the electric is quite louder than the acoustic. it sounds a little unbalanced this way, at least on headphones (AKG K 271 MK II)

I like the vocals the way they are. No need for perfection here !
Yet I would love some backing vocals on this one. that would make the chorus take off even more.
Stoked you like the song

RE: the accoustic/electric balance, is anyone else hearing the accoustic to be too soft ? I wonder if its my listening enviornment.

Thanks for your thoughts

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liked it - out of the John Lennon "working class hero" influence
comparisons aside, it stands on its own as a song - the singing fits well with the feel
i'm too new at computed recording to comment accurately on the recording although in this song
under produced rather than over produced
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Well i'll take under produced rather than over produced any day
The fact you thinks it stands on its own as a song is very satisfying.

Thankyou


Thanks again to you all.

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Old 04-22-2010, 08:46 AM   #11
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I just listened to this Wolfie, and I didn't read any other posts, so I'm not influenced, I'll do that in a minute.

Great song, fantastic performance and recording.

The guitar is a bit loud and the solo needs a bit more support I feel, but overall i get the feeling it's actually a bit too tight. Either that or there isn't much to distract one in the areas of roughness. I know that sounds nuts but I am thinking it's a shade short on the organic side. I'm thinking more "feedbacky spacious" type guitars - I don't mean like reverb, but maybe you could try spreading the geetars with very short delay to get more spread - just a thought


That's just how I like things and I already know we don't have the same tastes in production.

Another thing I might try is to put another (messed up and not very loud) guitar behind the solo and take the solo level down. I think I would try and get a bit more room sound and drop the drums a tad too.

Vocals are sounding top notch
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:56 AM   #12
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As other have said it's a good catchy song and a good overall sound/performance.

The guitar hook is good. Going along with what Spike said, I wonder whether the lead guitar could be more sharply played. Also, perhaps less 'straight' - I'm not even sure what I mean by that , but I'm thinking of something along the lines of a Mark Knopfler'ish feel.

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Old 04-26-2010, 10:20 AM   #13
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Catchy tune, Wolffman. It's got a great, driving along a dusty desert road kind of feel to it. Lots of cool hooks. In my mind, I can hear some kind of vintage keys in the background. Something like a Hammond maybe?

Looking forward to more.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:12 AM   #14
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Ted, Pete & fishy, Thanks for having a listen and posting your thoughts, i really appreciate it !!

I've had a little time to get back to this and have a second go at the mix, taking into account the tips posted by everyone in this thread.
I hope i've addressed most of the issues ( except for maybe the guitar timing, i didn't play it again but i did try to straighten it up some )

i've posted the mix in the 1st post, I tried to mix it a little less agressively if you get my drift.

I did have a go at some gritty hammond organ but i totaly suck at keys, SO,
if anybody wants to play some keys on this " GO FOR IT ", I think it would really help the song.

Please let me know if the new mix is going in the right direction , or not


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Old 04-28-2010, 01:37 PM   #15
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Oh, most certainly in the right direction and already most way down the road - this sounds great!

My only mix thought now was whether the vox could use just a tiny amount of what the lead guitar has on it (verb and delay I guess) just to put it a bit of the same space and tuck it into the mix. Just a tiny tad mind, not so it is "wet" but just so that it sits back a little.
Just a thought.
But mainly this is sounding really great and, yeah, very catchy.
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:45 AM   #16
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Hi all

So, as i said in the OP my mate has a singer friend and they have been back and we did some more tracking, 2nd elec guitar, new vocals ( not me this time ) and some banjo, i think that was all.

I have been tinkering with the mix for a while and think i've got it close to finnished.

Its in the OP, EDIT No 2.

Feedback welcome.

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Sorry to bump this one but i'm needing to mail this of to my mate this week and would like some opions on the mix so i can tweek any areas that i've missed before mailing.

any crtique most welcome.

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PS its edit 2 link in the op
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:22 PM   #18
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Cool tune Wolf. Very good composition.

My only nits would be mix wise but mostly just personal pref stuff, not worth mentioning.
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