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07-15-2011, 09:39 AM
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+1
Pretty please?
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07-15-2011, 11:50 AM
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+1, at this time every project folder is a mess!
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07-15-2011, 12:45 PM
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+1
please
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07-15-2011, 12:46 PM
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Yeah it got over a hundred votes!
4.1 for the win!
I cannot bear reapeaks in all those project folders when viewed from other apps, if they had their own folder it would be so less confusing
It's a little easy to accidentally email someone the reapeak instead of the mp3 you just bounced down for them
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07-15-2011, 01:03 PM
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It really has to happen ... soon is preferable
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07-17-2011, 12:56 AM
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It may be a workaround, but you could use your OS to hide certain file extensions.
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07-17-2011, 05:41 AM
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The actual OSX workaround would be making an Applescript folder action to automatically sort files into their relevant folders.
This is not something that should require a workaround though!
It's simple, simple project file management, and reaper is crap at it ('scuse me) ...
Workaround shmirkaround ... this needs fixing.
It's one of the little things that I found really quite irritating when I first started using reaper, and it's just gotten slightly more irritating the longer I use it. I would imagine it's the same for any user who wants things organised and neat instead of just thrown into a single folder ... it's quite simply very annoying.
I'm totally aware that it might (for some reason) be a bit of a pita for Cockos to do, but it really needs doing.
my 2pence
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07-17-2011, 05:44 AM
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A mighty +1 from me
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07-17-2011, 05:50 AM
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Yes please! One of those little asap features requests that improve
organisation a lot!
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07-17-2011, 06:00 AM
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If you're like me - borderline OCD - when it comes to organization, this is at the top of my Reaper Gripes' list. I bounce between several programs, and keep centralized "loop" and "sample" folders, and it's a PITA to see all of these errant files cluttering up my highly organized folder structures - especially when viewed from other programs.
For the love of all that's good in the world - please fix this, or I will succumb to the madness of my own personal hell of manual file organization.
Seriously, it's one of the biggest reasons I keep PT around...
Terry
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07-17-2011, 11:41 AM
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When I first started using Protools ('96 or so, using it for real around '97), I was actually using Vegas v1 iirc. Somewhere around that time anyway.
I used to think "What a waste to put audio files in their own directory", because Protools put everything in to "Audio Files/". I wasn't doing a whole lot of production back then and was content to organize stuff on the timeline, name it and then export the regions/items.
But a clean project directory became important once I had to find session files.
Here is one important minus point to how Reaper organizes files right now.
You can have the peak files be created alongside the actual media files. This clutter and fucks up anybody's sample collection. The first damn thing I had to do a lot, was clean away those fucking peak files Soundforge and Vegas left behind.
That's the default, thank you very much.
You can of course have the peak files created in one specific directory for all projects and materials. That forces a recreation of the peak files for the project if it's opened on another computer. Small bummer that can turn in to a big bummer on some larger projects.
For speed and portability it is therefore best to have a directory for the peak files. Reaper can use the same means it uses to identify which file belongs to which peak files that is uses when the peak files are all in one big directory(and a bunch of Reaper-created subs).
Protools puts all the overviews in to one file btw, or embeds them in newly created files, though I haven't checked whether they still do that.
So anything that clutters up the project directory needs to go somewhere else. Audio media, peak files, project file backups.
I hope it's easy enough to do, maybe for 4.01 if not for 4.0 . It's one of those little things that makes digging up project files a little easier.
Btw, does the default Reaper create an audio subdirectory for projects ? I sure hope it does. That's a good one to put in for 4.0 at the very least.
Unclutter the projects.
Last edited by airon; 07-17-2011 at 12:25 PM.
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07-17-2011, 11:50 AM
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07-17-2011, 11:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Protools puts all the overviews in to one file btw, or embeds them in newly created files, though I haven't checked whether they still do that.
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Yep, the WaveCache.wfm is a significantly better way of handling it imo.
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So anything that clutters up the project directory needs to go somewhere else. Audio media, peak files, project file backups.
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Absolutely.
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Btw, does the default Reaper create an audio subdirectory for projects ? I sure hope it does. That's a good one to put in for 4.0 at the very least.
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I don't think so ... pretty sure that atm, new users will still have to go to Project Settings, type in 'Audio Files' and then save as default.
It's rather silly.
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07-17-2011, 12:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Btw, does the default Reaper create an audio subdirectory for projects ? I sure hope it does. That's a good one to put in for 4.0 at the very least.
Unclutter the projects.
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im pretty sure not, you have to put a word (like AUDIO) in the project settings>audio settings>relative path -
im sure that could be made default pretty easily though
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07-17-2011, 12:39 PM
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This is more then A +1 MUST have. Before R4 is released, it will be right for timing
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07-17-2011, 01:50 PM
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i still just want to be able to "shift delete" delete a file permanently from the arrange view, i have half a hdd full of rubbish takes
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07-17-2011, 04:55 PM
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+ for organizing the reapeaks per project.
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07-17-2011, 05:30 PM
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Oh good Almighty God of Organization, please make this happen for v4 or at least during v4.xx
I've been dreaming for 4 years, dreaming with *default* folders for .reapeaks, rpp-bak's, stems and rpp-undo's. I have a dream....
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07-17-2011, 08:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Oh good Almighty God of Organization, please make this happen for v4 or at least during v4.xx
I've been dreaming for 4 years, dreaming with *default* folders for .reapeaks, rpp-bak's, stems and rpp-undo's. I have a dream....
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+1. Yeah, those too...
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07-17-2011, 11:55 PM
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+1. Yep. Needs to happen.
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07-18-2011, 03:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caustic
i still just want to be able to "shift delete" delete a file permanently from the arrange view, i have half a hdd full of rubbish takes
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There's an sws action for that you could assign to shift + delete but what about the clean project directory window under file menu
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07-18-2011, 04:03 AM
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Yes organization is everything
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07-18-2011, 05:39 AM
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+1 for ReaPeaks not in same folder as audio files! I would like it best, if (when no project is saved) the peaks wouldn't be saved at all (just keep them in RAM), and if the project is saved, store them in a (configurable via preferences) relative path (e.g. ".\Peaks\").
My annoying scenario:
I'm also a drummer and often need to create sheet music from MP3s. I load them into Reaper, and I do want to see the peaks. But they shouldn't be created within my music library...
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07-18-2011, 05:49 AM
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I'm gonna bump this even though it doesn't need it
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07-18-2011, 10:23 AM
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So the list is simple, just to clarify so the devs don't need to search the entire thread when they wish to tackle this.
Relative default folders for :
audio
reapeaks
rpp-bak's
stems
rpp-undo's
That's it, right ?
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07-18-2011, 10:31 AM
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+1
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07-18-2011, 10:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
So the list is simple, just to clarify so the devs don't need to search the entire thread when they wish to tackle this.
Relative default folders for :
audio
reapeaks
rpp-bak's
stems
rpp-undo's
That's it, right ?
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Exactly it @airon. I again believe this is a must because when you look inside a reaper Porject, its honestly a total mess.
Keep the faith
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07-18-2011, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Relative default folders for :
audio
reapeaks
rpp-bak's
stems
rpp-undo's
That's it, right ?
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Renders (bounces)
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07-18-2011, 11:18 AM
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I'm certainly all for it, would this all take place in the " Project Settings"?
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Originally Posted by timlloyd
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Renders (bounces)
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Hi tim, in Sonar I got used to them called Bounces. In Reaper I'm getting used to them being call Stems.
So that leads me to another question since I'm not very familiar with R4 yet. Is there something new in R4 that uses Bounce?
Heh heh, it's all getting a little confuseing.
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07-18-2011, 11:29 AM
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Well there's "render" which can be realtime or non-realtime, and there's also "bounce" (save live output to disk).
"Stems" are not the same as a "render"bounce" of a mix/master ... stems are the high-level component parts, not the "whole".
I would suggest perhaps, that a dedicated "Stems" folder could exist relative to the "Bounces/Render" folder. If you bounce stems before a mix, then both folders would obviously need to be created relative to your project directory.
What do people think of this?
[IMG]http://img840.**************/img840/4660/exampleprojectdirectory.png[/IMG]
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07-18-2011, 11:34 AM
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I reckon it's more practical to keep all project subfolders at the same level. Gives a better overview of where the data is located imo.
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07-18-2011, 11:35 AM
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ok, that makes sense as well
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07-18-2011, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Well there's "render" which can be realtime or non-realtime, and there's also "bounce" (save live output to disk).
"Stems" are not the same as a "render"bounce" of a mix/master ... stems are the high-level component parts, not the "whole".
I would suggest perhaps, that a dedicated "Stems" folder could exist relative to the "Bounces/Render" folder. If you bounce stems before a mix, then both folders would obviously need to be created relative to your project directory.
What do people think of this?
[IMG]http://img840.**************/img840/4660/exampleprojectdirectory.png[/IMG]
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digging this mockup big time simple and straight to the point
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07-18-2011, 12:33 PM
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I think ramses is right though, it would be better to have each sub-folder at the same level.
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07-18-2011, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by timlloyd
I think ramses is right though, it would be better to have each sub-folder at the same level.
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Yes he is but i was simply referring to your mockup image But indeed what @ramses says makes total sense
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07-18-2011, 01:08 PM
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I'm sure one more page in the prefs won't hurt to allow us to choose our own places/hierarchy within the project folder
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07-18-2011, 01:56 PM
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Keep it simple, please. One folder for each file type less .rpp's, done.
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07-18-2011, 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Well there's "render" which can be realtime or non-realtime, and there's also "bounce" (save live output to disk).
"Stems" are not the same as a "render"bounce" of a mix/master ... stems are the high-level component parts, not the "whole".
I would suggest perhaps, that a dedicated "Stems" folder could exist relative to the "Bounces/Render" folder. If you bounce stems before a mix, then both folders would obviously need to be created relative to your project directory.
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Thanks tim.
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
I'm sure one more page in the prefs won't hurt to allow us to choose our own places/hierarchy within the project folder
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Shouldn't this go in the "Project Settings" since it will be unique for each project?
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07-18-2011, 02:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tod
Shouldn't this go in the "Project Settings" since it will be unique for each project?
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I don't think so, because the whole idea is that we simply decide what these folder should be called, and then reaper creates them as needed within our project directory.
I don't see the benefit of being able to change the names of each folder for specific projects.
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