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Old 10-01-2009, 06:59 PM   #1
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Default Reaper vs Pro-Tools editing

Just started using Reaper after around ten years working on Pro-Tools. Don't laugh but I still have a G4 running OS9 and PT LE 5 with a Digi 001! This has been fine for my purposes up till I got my hands on a Macbook and decided I'd like more a portable studio - at least more portable than draggin' around a G4 complete with CRT monitor!

Working on a project the other day I found I could complete the boring task of importing files from another machine and organising the folder structure in a fraction of the time it took previously. Awesome. The guy I was working with who is totally uninterested in technology was stoked! He was used to the tedious wait while I pissed about converting files and organising the hard drive. Shit, why did I wait so long to change up!

Anyway, being so used to PT I'm finding it difficult to get my head around editing in Reaper. I'm used to that list of files PT keeps on the right of screen and the mouse edit tools. I'd often create regions and use them to replace dud sections of a track and the like. Any tips for how I might achieve a similar task - or any editing tips for an ex PT user?

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Old 10-01-2009, 07:17 PM   #2
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I'm a regular Protools hound myself(dialogue, fx and mixing) and know exactly what you mean.

Here are a couple of tips on the basic concepts and editing workflows : http://www.cockos.com/wiki/index.php...ost_Production

It'll get you started. I'll chip in again tomorrow, if nobody's beaten me to it . Plenty of Protools people here.
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:53 PM   #3
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Wills, if you want the lowdown via voice, let me know. I'll PM you my Skype contact if you're interested.
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:56 AM   #4
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I just downloaded Reaper 3.13 as well. I have been strictly a Pro Tools guy for 10 years. I am working on a BLA modded Digi 002 with Pro Tools 8 on a 17" Macbook Pro.

I am trying out Reaper because I need a DAW with ADC, and mixing in LE can be a pain with manual Time Adjusting, and even using the Mellowmuse ATA.

So far, I think Reaper is really amazing. I tried switching to Logic, but it was just waaaaaay too much going on. Amazing program, but not for me.

I love the simplicity of Reaper. The routing Matrix is brilliant.

BUT!!!

I just want Pro Tools style editing. Is that really too much to ask for? Nothing is as easy as editing in Pro Tools, and I promise I will make the full switch to Reaper if I can edit with the same speed and ease as Pro Tools!!!

Is this possible??

Can i customize it somehow to do this??

Can this be implemented in a future update??

Thoughts?
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:02 AM   #5
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Hopefully this is coming soon xD

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=56

Be patient
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:03 AM   #6
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Also....

i just want to use my "two finger scroll" feature to look around the edit window, like in Pro Tools. But when i scroll, it zooms in and out. This is very frustrating and I don't like this workflow.

And the Navigator window?!?!?! why must i open another window to scroll around my project?

I really want to switch over, but I do a lot of Pro work, and I am very much considering an HD rig....but I want Reaper to change my mind!!!
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:37 AM   #7
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mate.
have you really explored reapers editing in depth ??
why not give examples of what your trying to do so folks can chime in.
yesterday for example (and ive done this on a thousand traks now prolly..)
just some examples of what i was doing in reaper.
1. general editing/clean up of a trak.
2. subtle fade ins on consonants n "esses" to even things out.
3. subtle fade outs on printed verbs.
4. automating a pan for a trak to move in the stereo image.
and oodles of other stuff i dont have time to type out.
theres even clever triks with reafir to change a traks sonic print as
well as normal nr.
the only thing there isnt is interpolation from what ive seen mate.
so please give examples so people can point you in the right direction.
do a list..
i want to do a , b , c etc etc.

gotta go now. will check back in 7 hrs or so.
all i can say is thers a ton of deep power in reaper,
and its like anything new..ya gotta familiarise yourself.
now i'm gonna go edit a difficult voc trak..lol.
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Also....

i just want to use my "two finger scroll" feature to look around the edit window, like in Pro Tools. But when i scroll, it zooms in and out. This is very frustrating and I don't like this workflow.
I have made a feature request for this issue here:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1518
This is also frustrating for coming from logic and seems counter-intuitive to me.

My first one of those and I hope I've followed procedure correctly.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:22 AM   #9
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I just downloaded Reaper 3.13 as well. I have been strictly a Pro Tools guy for 10 years. I am working on a BLA modded Digi 002 with Pro Tools 8 on a 17" Macbook Pro.

I am trying out Reaper because I need a DAW with ADC, and mixing in LE can be a pain with manual Time Adjusting, and even using the Mellowmuse ATA.

So far, I think Reaper is really amazing. I tried switching to Logic, but it was just waaaaaay too much going on. Amazing program, but not for me.

I love the simplicity of Reaper. The routing Matrix is brilliant.

BUT!!!

I just want Pro Tools style editing. Is that really too much to ask for? Nothing is as easy as editing in Pro Tools, and I promise I will make the full switch to Reaper if I can edit with the same speed and ease as Pro Tools!!!

Is this possible??

Can i customize it somehow to do this??

Can this be implemented in a future update??

Thoughts?
This program is all about keyboard shortcuts. You have to dive into the action list and memorize the functions on your keyboard. I barely needed the manual learning this program. The action list covered pretty much everything I was looking for. Now I’m at the point where I’m controlling reaper like it was a video game. The keyboard shortcuts can be customized. Select a function and look at the bottom of the action list and you should see edit. This allows you to add additional actions to one keystroke. This is the key to using this program. Cheers


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Old 11-03-2009, 08:04 PM   #10
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Being a 10+ year user of PT, I've been gradually setting up Reaper to mimic PT in areas including the editing. I've gotten it close, and even improved in spots. The port over has been quite a bit of work thus far but will help many of the PT veterans once done. Definitely go and vote for the following FR's:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=122

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1256

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=892

Here are some old images of the menus I've been overhauling recently:





[img]http://img197.**************/img197/4883/mainfile.png [/img]



[img]http://img10.**************/img10/7030/viewrulers.png [/img]

I recently got the selecting to behave very similar to PT which has been quite a bit of work via a few scripts and actions etc.

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Also, take advantage of Screen Sets and the SWS/Xenakios extensions to get some more of the PT functions and feel such as the SWS Track List etc:

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/

[img]http://img24.**************/img24/4663/ptscreenset2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img24.**************/img24/2015/ptscreenset.jpg[/img]

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Old 11-03-2009, 08:48 PM   #12
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OMFG!!!!

Reading your last two posts kick started a choir of fucking angels in my head!!!

A Track Show/Hide Bin and a Regions Bin was one of my first FR's for Reaper. I have no problem translating menu's, functions and etc between PT and Reaper... it's just a lack of certain features that I've been wanting.

Thank you for posting this!!!


Now I have to go and figure out how to install these scripts.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:14 AM   #13
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Shan
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:26 AM   #14
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Shan. Thanks for this I'm also in the pt boat.

But PLEASE tell me your theme that your using? Looks ace!

Where can I get it? What's it called!

Thanks
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:35 PM   #15
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i was just needing somebody to tell me how to post a question on this site, thanks.
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i was just needing somebody to tell me how to post a question on this site, thanks.
You just did.


The only surface/DAW competitors are Pyramix and Nuendo/Euphonix atm. Who knows, maybe Harrison will chime in too one day.

We've just had a few enhancements in the latest version, 3.41pre4 in terms of keeping user data together and easier to manage for the Windows folks. OSX folks have always had all their data in the user directories anyway. Head on over to the pre-release forum and take a look.

The surfaces I use are mostly available for use in Reaper. Its great strength can also be a weakness, as the user is left to configure so many things him or herself. There is however no shortage of users pointing out flaws when they find them, and there's no shortage of developers fixing those things either, even though they're only three if you don't count the enormous talent of folks making extensions, control surface plugins(Klinkes MCU for example), JS effects(directory names=user names take a look), VST plugins (Stillwell and Schwa started here with JS AFAIK) and general support.

Some folks are even working on a Control 24 surface plugin, though I hope we can find the Icon guy at some point .

Think of this :
You can pay folks to make a control surface plugin just for your needs if you really want to. A guild or other organization could pay someone to create specific functions for their line of work. To quote my semi-religous English family, never in this year of our lord will this happen with Avid. The odds are just against it.

So I came here just like you, making a difference to myself and others.
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...To quote my semi-religous English family, never in this year of our Lord...
They sound like good Catholics! [Anglican or Roman ]

Perhaps Nightdog wanted to post the question as a new thread!?
Post new thread is found on the first page of each sub-forum


If I were Avid I would be worried:
Russuk came here and the way he was greeted I knew he was important. I took a look at his blog
and then at the DUC [I'm crazy like that].
This thread today has some obviously senior and hardcore p/toolers speaking here
I'm shocked and I've never used P/tools or cared about it.
I think they're sweating bullets.


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and then at the DUC [I'm crazy like that].
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where can I download the cursors (for osx) ????
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So exiting this look and feel of Pro Tools in Reaper.
Great work, Shane. It looks awesome.
Any idea when you´ll publish it :-)
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So exiting this look and feel of Pro Tools in Reaper.
Great work, Shane. It looks awesome.
Any idea when you´ll publish it :-)
At the moment, I'm pretty much full time on the current REAPER beta as there are new editing features that PT users will definitely be experiencing tears of joy over, and feel quite at home with. I'm making damn sure this one new editing feature not only matches PT, but also utterly destroys it, by bringing it to a whole new level.

So far, so good, as we have developers that listen, understand, and deliver.

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Patience is a virtue...
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...And the axe is sharp. Guess which one I have?
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At the moment, I'm pretty much full time on the current REAPER beta as there are new editing features that PT users will definitely be experiencing tears of joy over, and feel quite at home with. I'm making damn sure this one new editing feature not only matches PT, but also utterly destroys it, by bringing it to a whole new level.

So far, so good, as we have developers that listen, understand, and deliver.

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Oh Shane, you are the biggest tease in history!

From where I stand, I have fear of this near future, coz this new reality you are going to bring is gonna change the world forever, big time ("good" fear though, like fear of success -I know, not good :P). All the change is gonna bring this little thingy you are gonna release. To put in a better way: It's gonna be BIG BANG version 2! (From a single push of a button, which is this thing of yours, the "mess" it's going to create!)
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where can I download the cursors (for osx) ????
The cursors are done but the feature to use themeable cursors in OSX isn't implemented in the public release yet. The good news, is that it's been implemented in the newest beta 3.4.1pre9 build.

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Alright troops, these are essential editing enhancements we need yesterday. Editing in REAPER is very long winded without these unfortunately and I'm experiencing an increased margin of error during basic editing procedures. I'm going bonkers without these and I'm sure you are to. So, start voting. We need these ASAP:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2457

Here is the discussion thread:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...869#post506869

This one needs to be done right from the get go IMHO. The wheel isn't being reinvented on this one. It is standard fundamental behavior found in every other DAW out there and pretty vital to fluid efficient editing.

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Alright troops, these are essential editing enhancements we need yesterday. Editing in REAPER is very long winded without these unfortunately and I'm experiencing an increased margin of error during basic editing procedures. I'm going bonkers without these and I'm sure you are to. So, start voting. We need these ASAP:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2457

Here is the discussion thread:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...869#post506869

This one needs to be done right from the get go IMHO. The wheel isn't being reinvented on this one. It is standard fundamental behavior found in every other DAW out there and pretty vital to fluid efficient editing.

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Alright troops, these are essential editing enhancements we need yesterday. Editing in REAPER is very long winded without these unfortunately and I'm experiencing an increased margin of error during basic editing procedures. I'm going bonkers without these and I'm sure you are to. So, start voting. We need these ASAP:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2457

Here is the discussion thread:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...869#post506869

This one needs to be done right from the get go IMHO. The wheel isn't being reinvented on this one. It is standard fundamental behavior found in every other DAW out there and pretty vital to fluid efficient editing.

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voted.

Not really using that feature but If its good 4 Shan its good 4 me :-)
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Not really using that feature but If its good 4 Shan its good 4 me :-)
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hey there.
heard that i might have better luck posting here (that Shane was the man to talk to)

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=57792

any help would be appreciated.

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hey there.
heard that i might have better luck posting here (that Shane was the man to talk to)

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=57792

any help would be appreciated.

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Pro Tools is a sample-by-sample coded DAW. It was created to run on external DSP chips. As a result, the entire audio engine is always active, even when it's completely idle. Other DAWs such as Logic and REAPER don't operate in real time in this same manner. If REAPER is sitting idle, very little to no CPU cycles will be used. If a track is muted, it's completely offline with no CPU usage. If a track is muted in PT, it still takes up CPU because it was coded for a completely different purpose, which was to run on external DSP chips. If a track is soloed in REAPER, every other track will become completely inactive and again, take no CPU. If a track is soloed in Pro Tools, all other tracks are still active. If a plug-in is bypassed in REAPER, it will take no CPU cycles. If a plug-in is bypass in Pro Tools, it is still active and using CPU cycles. Logic takes this one step further. If no audio or MIDI is passing through a plug on playback, the plug-in remains offline in the back ground taking no CPU cycles. When you play the same session with the same plug-ins with active audio running through those plug-ins, you'll find that many DAWs are actually very close to using the same amount of CPU cycles. REAPER will still come slightly on top as it's extremely efficient with multiple cores etc.

Hope that helps.

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Thanks for the info Shane.
This is why Avid needs to come up with a new native Pro Tools system, that can compete with other systems when it comes to cpu-usage.

I hope that they will. I really like Pro Tools.
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Shan I must correct you here:

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If a track is soloed in REAPER, every other track will become completely inactive and again, take no CPU.
Unsoloed tracks are still being processed in the same manner
as if they were muted with the "don't process muted tracks"
option disabled.

There was a feature request for this, but this should be highly
optional as it would ruin the ability to quickly solo/unsolo tracks
without glitches. It would however enable faster rendering of single
(or less) track(s) with cpu heavy projects, but Dstruct's suggestion
to disable unsoloed tracks at render would solve this.

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There was a feature request for this, but this should be highly
optional as it would ruin the ability to quickly solo/unsolo tracks
without glitches. It would however enable faster rendering of single
(or less) track(s) with cpu heavy projects, but Dstruct's suggestion
to disable unsoloed tracks at render would solve this.
Alt+click the mute button will do the above. No need for the FR.

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Old 05-17-2010, 12:08 AM   #39
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Alt+click the mute button will do the above. No need for the FR.

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Edit: Ah yes, that works in a similar fashion, but reducing
cycles in solo mode should also be possible if needed, as
you cannot unmute to previous state without using undo.
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MacBook Pro 2011, 8G RAM, Reaper 4.58.

I have built a drum track and peripheral instruments. I add a shaker which I need to edit. I cannot select, nor drag, nor alter it in any way. Any click in the item results in a region selected - all I want to do is move the gd item.

Previously there were no problems. I originally selected LOCKED and UNLOCKED/Media Item Buttons in preferences - it seemed stupid at the time, but I followed the pdf - so I deselected them: no effect.

<< This locks the current time selection so that, for example, if you accidentally click and drag at some other point along the timeline your time selection will remain unchanged. You can remove a locked time selection by pressing Esc then selecting Yes when prompted. >> This has no effect. I wish I'd seen it earlier.

I'm gonna try removing the shaker and try again. When I attempt to unlock the lock icon, I create another editing region. OK. I feel better. Thanks for listening.
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