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Old 01-30-2014, 03:27 PM   #1
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Default Variety of Sound plugs randomly dying in REAPER x64?

Anyone else? The VoS plugins used to be fine bridged in x64 REAPER but for quite some time now I've noticed that some of them (mainly NastDLA MkII and Density Mk II) just sort of... die after a while. They work fine when a project is loaded, but after say 30 minutes they just go silent, muting all output on the tracks they're on.

Offline-toggling the offending plugs brings them back to life, but they're also reset to the default values.

I love these plugs but this is becoming more and more of a deal breaker for me. Oh why no 64 bit versions?! *cry*
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:33 PM   #2
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I am using nasty dla on a song I just finished and I never had any issues with it or any other Bootsy plugs. I don't allow Windows updates but I am on Windows 7 x64 service pack 1, hope you get it sorted. Might try running as a dedicated process.
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Yes Density, exact same! Dumped.
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I love vos plugs so much I went back to 32 bit even though bridging was fine until it's not
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same, with my last build. new machine doesn't have this problem. 64 bit both.
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I am on Windows 7 x64 service pack 1
Same here.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:25 AM   #7
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I'm having this same issue with SynthMaster and Sytrus, it seems my midi devices die after about 30 minutes of use. I'm wondering if this is an x64 thing, as I'm using x64 SynthMaster and x64 Sytrus with x64 Reaper on Win 7 x64.

It's possible that this is a hidden DRM "feature" of the unlicensed software...I haven't yet registered my copy yet because my direct deposit hasn't shown up yet, but I have left it open in the background for a couple days so it's possible that the app starts degrading itself after awhile if you've used it for 72 hours and haven't registered? I've seen this sort of thing before, but the site claims there is no DRM.

I do have eLicenser installed for Analog Lab but everything I'm running is legitimate, I'm on a fresh install of windows so it shouldn't be bugging out.
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I'm having this same issue with SynthMaster and Sytrus, it seems my midi devices die after about 30 minutes of use. I'm wondering if this is an x64 thing, as I'm using x64 SynthMaster and x64 Sytrus with x64 Reaper on Win 7 x64.

It's possible that this is a hidden DRM "feature" of the unlicensed software...I haven't yet registered my copy yet because my direct deposit hasn't shown up yet, but I have left it open in the background for a couple days so it's possible that the app starts degrading itself after awhile if you've used it for 72 hours and haven't registered? I've seen this sort of thing before, but the site claims there is no DRM.

I do have eLicenser installed for Analog Lab but everything I'm running is legitimate, I'm on a fresh install of windows so it shouldn't be bugging out.
Might be it in your case, but I doubt it applies to the freeware VoS plugs
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oh good, i thought i was the only one. I unconsciously stopped using the delay and density because of this, which is sad!
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:12 PM   #10
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Back to the issue at hand, I did have one project where NastyDLA was very integral to some key sounds and was misbehaving; muting itself, or acting like it was running but not outputting any audio. For that one project I just rendered those particular tracks and worked with the prints.

Not sure why it was doing it, and it's never happened again.

Was happening in 4.58something on WinX64.
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:57 PM   #11
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I'm having this same issue with SynthMaster and Sytrus
Don't know if it solves your problem, but Image-line released a new Sytrus VST beta (32- and 64-bit) an hour ago. Have a look here:

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopi...=1919&t=117241
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i had a similar problem recently and found that somehow i had this setting ticked:


unfortunately my sister had come by and wanted to listen to almost every one of my new songs, many of which i then of course saved, thereby losing the settings for many crucial sounds in...

fortunately i still had backups for most, which reaper creates every 2 minutes. but i still have to go through them all and find the most recent, non-fucked backup and save new versions... i just don't know how or why it got ticked.
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i had a similar problem recently and found that somehow i had this setting ticked:


unfortunately my sister had come by and wanted to listen to almost every one of my new songs, many of which i then of course saved, thereby losing the settings for many crucial sounds in...

fortunately i still had backups for most, which reaper creates every 2 minutes. but i still have to go through them all and find the most recent, non-fucked backup and save new versions... i just don't know how or why it got ticked.
Ouch. That is an unfortunate box to have accidentally ticked!
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Had no problems soooo far, and that box is unticked. Win7x64 and Reaper 4.60pre10a(and previous versions AFAIK).
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:06 AM   #15
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Win7/64, 4GB Ram, Reaper 4.591. No Problems with bridging 32 Bit Bootsy VSTs.
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I've started replacing all instances of VoS plugs with x64 equivalents where I come across them. Density is not a huge loss, there are other good compressors out there. NastyDLA OTOH is trickier to find a direct replacement for, as it's kind of a hybrid delay/chorus/saturator/spacy coolness machine. TAL DUB II seems to be the closest match so far but it feels seriously lacking compared to NastyDLA.

Any suggestions?
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I've started replacing all instances of VoS plugs with x64 equivalents where I come across them. Density is not a huge loss, there are other good compressors out there. NastyDLA OTOH is trickier to find a direct replacement for, as it's kind of a hybrid delay/chorus/saturator/spacy coolness machine. TAL DUB II seems to be the closest match so far but it feels seriously lacking compared to NastyDLA.

Any suggestions?
I LOVE both TAL DUB II and TAL DUB III. Those are my go to delays actually.
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I LOVE both TAL DUB II and TAL DUB III. Those are my go to delays actually.
I probably need to spend a little more time with them. I miss the chorus section of NastyDLA though, it's kinda neat having both chorus and delay in the same plug.

Well there's always VallhallaUberMod I guess...
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Old 02-01-2014, 02:12 PM   #19
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My Density is not dying, but it is just heavy on render ...
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is this a synthmaker problem? does it happen with synthedit and juce too?
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is this a synthmaker problem? does it happen with synthedit and juce too?
I don't think I use a single Synthedit plugin anymore. As for juce I don't know. Which plugs are made with juce?

Oh wait: juce, that's the stuff that needs runtime libs right? No, don't have any juce plugs.
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I've started replacing all instances of VoS plugs with x64 equivalents where I come across them. Density is not a huge loss, there are other good compressors out there. NastyDLA OTOH is trickier to find a direct replacement for, as it's kind of a hybrid delay/chorus/saturator/spacy coolness machine. TAL DUB II seems to be the closest match so far but it feels seriously lacking compared to NastyDLA.

Any suggestions?
I love nastyDLA but when i went completely x64 i found that the CM version of Volfram was the closest (without spending lot's of cash on other plugins).

http://www.subsoniclabs.com/

...but i really missed nastyDLA so now i'm using it again (bridged in x64). The chorus effect on that thing is irreplaceable in freeware.
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The chorus effect on that thing is irreplaceable in freeware.
Yup, I agree.

Dust Bucket is nice though.
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Old 02-02-2014, 03:46 AM   #24
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Default Bridging 32Bit VSTs in Reaper 64

I have no problems with my 32Bits VSTs running bridged in 64bit Reaper. By the way, there were no recent updates by Bootsy, so why suspect the plugins as the bad guy, could it be the Bridge in Reaper 64, that has changed recently?
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I have no problems with my 32Bits VSTs running bridged in 64bit Reaper. By the way, there were no recent updates by Bootsy, so why suspect the plugins as the bad guy, could it be the Bridge in Reaper 64, that has changed recently?
I suppose so, but AFAICT this doesn't happen with any other bridged 32 bit plugs. So yeah it might be some kind of REAPER issue but this doesn't change the fact that I can't use the VoS plugins anymore.

I'm trying to go 100% 64 bit anyway so they got to go sooner or later, might as well be sooner.
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ok dunno if this is relevant to you but i just had the problem you described, but traced it to an audio item which was causing a massive volume spike (could see in the peak meter) right before silencing ferricTDS in the master channel.

had to reload a new instance of the plug and get rid of the item to get sound back.

of course in my case it was happening every time the play cursor hit the item, so maybe not a solution for you, but maybe a clue...
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Same problem here with the VOS plugins running in REAPER x64 and Win 8 x64.

Eventually had to replace them with something else just as good (not an easy task) that wouldn't hang my computer every now and again - not too often, but happening.

2CAudio Aether is another hanger too...
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Hello,

I experience the same problems with the VoS Plugins. Well, in fact I have problems with just one plugin yet because I just started using VoS Plugins on a regular basis.

The ThrillseekerLA stops working randomly, muting the signal on the relevant track. In this case I just save my project and reopen it again > solved. It's annoying though as you can probably imagine because it throws me off my workflow every now and then.

I'm currently testing DensityMKIII in a project on a Master Bus, no problems so far.

Replacing the great sounding VoS plugins would be a pitty.

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Same problem here with the VOS plugins running in REAPER x64 and Win 8 x64.

Eventually had to replace them with something else just as good (not an easy task) that wouldn't hang my computer every now and again - not too often, but happening.

2CAudio Aether is another hanger too...
If that's version 1.6 (released a couple of weeks ago), then report that issue to Andrew Souter at 2CAudio. My x64 version on Reaper x64, Win7x64 has been running fine so far.
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i had a similar problem recently and found that somehow i had this setting ticked:


unfortunately my sister had come by and wanted to listen to almost every one of my new songs, many of which i then of course saved, thereby losing the settings for many crucial sounds in...

fortunately i still had backups for most, which reaper creates every 2 minutes. but i still have to go through them all and find the most recent, non-fucked backup and save new versions... i just don't know how or why it got ticked.
If you're having problems and have this box checked, try unchecking that.

Which of you are having these problems have Win8 (or 8.1) running ?
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I don't think I use a single Synthedit plugin anymore. As for juce I don't know. Which plugs are made with juce?

Oh wait: juce, that's the stuff that needs runtime libs right? No, don't have any juce plugs.
Juce is a library that many 'real' vst devs use to draw their gui and stuff.

Real vst devs that use Juce: Arturia, Cableguys, Cytomic, Valhalla, Mackie, TAL...

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They work fine when a project is loaded, but after say 30 minutes they just go silent, muting all output on the tracks they're on.
I found a potential solution, go to Power Options and disable USB Selective Suspend:

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I found a potential solution, go to Power Options and disable USB Selective Suspend:

Uh... what does usb have to do with VST's?
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If you're having problems and have this box checked, try unchecking that.

Which of you are having these problems have Win8 (or 8.1) running ?
of course i don't have that checked anymore (who knows why anyone would want to), but i was just sharing a loosely related anecdote about why it's a terrible terrible setting to have accidentally ticked... incredibly destructive, that... win7 btw
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Uh... what does usb have to do with VST's?
most midi controllers these days are usb. i was having the same issue that the op was having with things seeming to mute themselves after 30 minutes until i figured out it had to do with some power saver option that turns off usb that it thinks isn't in use. if you're using usb midi controllers on windows to talk to the VST and then the VST eventually seems to mute itself, like after 30 minutes, then my previous post has the solution to that problem.
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most midi controllers these days are usb. i was having the same issue that the op was having with things seeming to mute themselves after 30 minutes until i figured out it had to do with some power saver option that turns off usb that it thinks isn't in use. if you're using usb midi controllers on windows to talk to the VST and then the VST eventually seems to mute itself, like after 30 minutes, then my previous post has the solution to that problem.
I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with usb, as 1) the VoS plugs are not VSTi's, and 2) this happens no matter what track the plugin is on. I.e. it frequently happened on my drum folder track with Density on it. The folder track itself is never record armed and thus has no midi input. So I think we can rule out usb issues. Thanks for the tip though.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:41 AM   #37
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This can't be an USB issue because my interface works with Firewire. (Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP)

Density MKIII works fine for me. No problems so far. But as I mentioned earlier in this thread "ThrillseekerLA" keeps crashing.
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Win8 64,i5 quad core, 8gig, Reaper 64

No probs with Density MkIII or Thrillseeker LA which are all I've used so far to any real extent.

BUT BootEQ caused muting of the entire track, consistently so I've dumped it.

And yes, a real pity if these prove to be problematic in Reaper64
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BUT BootEQ caused muting of the entire track, consistently so I've dumped it.
did you happen to notice volume spikes in the track meter when this was occurring? i've seen that a few times with some of the VoS plugs.

they were triggered by certain items. never could tell what was wrong with them, so i just ended up recreating the items.

and no, this has problem absolutely nothing to do with usb or any other type of interface. if an interface shuts off because of power-saving, it would stop making sound completely, not just on tracks with certain plugins...
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did you happen to notice volume spikes in the track meter when this was occurring?
Now that you say it, yes.
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