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Old 02-04-2008, 02:44 PM   #1
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Default Dual panning controls (DONE)

Greetings,

One of the few things that I find very useful in Pro Tools, that I believe is not yet implemented in REAPER, is having stereo tracks present two panning sliders. Although a bit on the small side, here's a sample of what I'm talking about:

http://www2.digidesign.com/digizine/.../mixwindow.gif

All the tracks are stereo in this particular example, and their slider positions are far left/right (as seen above each fader).

This feature provides a lot of panning flexibility while still allowing one to keep a stereo instrument on a single track. As an example, I recently recorded a track with a stereo organ patch that had a great Leslie simulation--however, as I recorded it as a stereo track, I'm forced to either keep equal panning at full width or use the single pan knob to favor one side or the other.

My band, Advent, recently did a mix in Pro Tools and these dual panning controls turned out to be extremely helpful. It would be awesome to see this implemented in REAPER as well, if possible.

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P.S. Note that this request also represents a subset of:

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15460
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:02 PM   #2
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Greetings,

Really hate to keep bumping my own requests (but it seems to help, so I'm going to try again). Isn't anyone else interested in this?

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Old 02-17-2008, 06:40 PM   #3
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++1 for dual panners
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Old 02-17-2008, 11:43 PM   #4
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Omg, please stop calling it "dual panning"

It's called power panning: when you can tweak the stereo image and pan with the same set of controls.

Put this on the firs post:

VIDEO: http://shup.com/Shup/23664/powerpanning.swf (Vienna Symphonic Ensemble)

++1 for this feature. Every modern DAW should have it.
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:15 AM   #5
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++1 for power pannıng.
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:37 AM   #6
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Wouldnt "ChanMix2" (JS Plug) do what you all are talking about?
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:56 AM   #7
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++1 for power pannıng.
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Old 02-18-2008, 08:04 AM   #8
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Wouldnt "ChanMix2" (JS Plug) do what you all are talking about?
Reaper is trying to be the cutting edge of hosts. This should not be a JS plugin.
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Old 02-18-2008, 08:44 AM   #9
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Reaper is trying to be the cutting edge of hosts. This should not be a JS plugin.

+1 to this comment.

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Old 02-18-2008, 09:24 AM   #10
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Yeah - something like this although I can't find the download....

http://www.kellyindustries.com/panhandler_vst.html
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:54 AM   #11
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http://www.kellyindustries.com/stereo_tools.html

http://home.netcom.com/~jhewes/StereoPan.html

jens put me on to (at least one of) these,

But +1 anyway
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Reaper is trying to be the cutting edge of hosts. This should not be a JS plugin.
With due respect...
I personally like the "modular" nature of Reaper.
If I need EQ... Insert it. If I need Dual panners, insert it.
If not...

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Old 03-12-2008, 06:29 AM   #13
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lets get some more comments for this
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:53 AM   #14
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++1 for dual-panners!
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Old 03-12-2008, 07:00 AM   #15
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I miss the Cubase handles and offers multiple methods of panning.
by far my favorite flexibility seen thus far.

we have regular (like Reaper)
Dual Like pro Tools
and combined which... errm combines the two by enabling you to set the position of the left CH and the right ch, and then if you want you can pan that width. Very cool

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I'll give this a +1, as long as it's optional per stereo track.
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Old 03-12-2008, 11:36 AM   #17
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optional definitely! The panner should be able to be switched from power panning to normal panning.
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Stereo Balance Panner controls the balance between the left and right channels.
This is the default mode.
  • If you right-click in the pan control field for a (stereo) audio
    channel, you can select one of three pan modes:

  • If Stereo Dual Panner is selected, there will be two pan controls with the upper controlling pan for the left channel, and the lower controlling pan for the right channel. This allows you set pan independently for the left and right channels. Note that it is possible to reverse the left and right channels, i.e. the left channel can be panned to the right and vice versa. You can also “sum” two channels by setting them to the same pan position (i.e. mono) – note that this will increase the volume of the signal.

  • If Stereo Combined Panner is selected, the left and right pan positions are shown as two lines with a blue/gray area between them. If you reverse the left and right channels, the area between the pan controls will be red instead of blue/gray.

yessir!
now that is what I'm talking about!


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Old 03-12-2008, 03:29 PM   #19
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+1

I use this all the time for narrowing the stereo image of music in a scene(using Protools).
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:51 AM   #20
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Gotta ++1 this request.
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+1 from me for Cubase-like optional pan control modes.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:28 AM   #22
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I was just working with a stereo piano track in Reaper and was wondering how to narrow the width/sprad so I came here a'lookin' for answers.

Glad I'm not the only one who would find this useful!

+1 for me!

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Old 03-16-2008, 09:13 AM   #23
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The point is...you can already do this if you need to. You've made your point, now use the tools you have to get the job done.

Chanmix2 does exactly what you need. Now, maybe you think that it shouldn't have to be a plugin...but it IS what it is. Personally, I don't care if it's there or not...I'll use the plugin if I need it. The tool is there. Use it. If it shows up the way you want it in a later revision, then great; if not, you've still got the capability.

If the fact that it doesn't show up on the MCP or TCP GUI is stopping you from getting work done, then you REALLY need to look at HOW you're doing your work. It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools.

I understand that it would be marginally faster to have it on the MCP and/or TCP, but IT DOESN'T STOP YOU from doing the job. Then, add to that the fact that you don't use this style of panning every day for every track (I think this would have come up MUCH earlier if we DID use it more often, no?), and I don't personally see it as that big of an issue.

Just playing devil's advocate on this one...

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Old 03-17-2008, 04:05 PM   #24
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Im up for this feature
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:27 PM   #25
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Scott is right.

Until this turns up as a feature in Reaper, user selectable panner on a per track basis, the JS plugins and indeed several free VST plugins will do the trick VERY easily.

Visit gersic.com and kvraudio.com for a comprehensive list of plugins.
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!group "Dual panning controls"
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Chanmix2 does exactly what you need.
Does Chanmix2 look good? no.
Does Chanmix2 have GUI features that make it quick to use? no.
Does it load automatically at the bottom of a track's fx chain? no, due to a bug in Reaper.. of course that could be fixed but STILL NO!

I don't think it does exactly what I need. It wouldn't be too hard of a feature to add I don't think.
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:39 PM   #28
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who wants to search and load a plugin to do this job? Its something i miss from FLstudio and Samplitude. Strange those hosts have it and reaper doesnt.
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Great discussion yet again. Somehow I totally missed Chanmix2 until I read this thread, very useful tool. I just added it to my track template for stereo tracks and now it will be there whenever I need it. To me it is the same argument as EQ per track (ReaEQ is included in my templates too). All cool ideas for inclusion as feature requests, but in the meantime I have everything I need when I need it.
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I appreciate the facilities offered by JS and generosity of folks smarter than I who are making it happen.

That said, I prefer one less layer. I Like At-A-Glance visual feedback, and I don't get that with channel mix, like I do with: and, and, .

though not a priority as we can accomplish similar crud already, but a huge polish/finishing touch. y'know... a PRO feature


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No intent of diminishing the value of the feature request at all, it sounds and looks really cool. Mainly I was just saying thanks for helping me notice something I hadn't before.
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looks great, Tali.

ummmmm.. just one thought... let's remember that Reaper is skinnable, and that different themes include different pan buttons. If implemented, J&C would have to consider that.

Maybe something simple like this would be easier to implement while still leaving the button design to the theme maker. Not as pretty, granted, but....




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Does Chanmix2 look good? no.
Does Chanmix2 have GUI features that make it quick to use? no.

Wha...after all my hard work!!??



FWIW, I wouldn't mind seeing the pan controls improvements either



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looks great, Tali.

ummmmm.. just one thought... let's remember that Reaper is skinnable, and that different themes include different pan buttons. If implemented, J&C would have to consider that.

Maybe something simple like this would be easier to implement while still leaving the button design to the theme maker. Not as pretty, granted, but....




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that would be perfect...
especially with a mod that pans both sides relative... so we can set the width then pan the whack.
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steriod bouncer does this and a more, I have used it a few times and it works well

http://www.cloneensemble.com/sb_main.htm
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steriod bouncer does this and a more, I have used it a few times and it works well

http://www.cloneensemble.com/sb_main.htm
actually, with respect, it doesn't.
sure it may pan and all that, but unless the plugin is open, you cannot see your settings.

imagine this / try this... set your panners in reaper to be at the bottom... open and size another window to cover them... now look at your pan settings... you can't they are hidden behind an extra, unnecessary layer.

some may argue that dual panners and stereo combined panners are not necessary... and that may be, but no js/vst/dx plugin does this or this or this: , because the plug in versions hide the visual feedback inside the FX bin. and thus simple tweaks are extra clicks away. and thus workflow is hindered.



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yeah, this really needs to be integrated into the mixer.
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I don't want to have to click twice to adjust panning. There should be a way to move left and right at the same time, like this:

VIDEO: http://shup.com/Shup/23664/powerpanning.swf (Vienna Symphonic Ensemble)

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actually, with respect, it doesn't.
sure it may pan and all that, but unless the plugin is open, you cannot see your settings.

imagine this / try this... set your panners in reaper to be at the bottom... open and size another window to cover them... now look at your pan settings... you can't they are hidden behind an extra, unnecessary layer.

some may argue that dual panners and stereo combined panners are not necessary... and that may be, but no js/vst/dx plugin does this or this or this: , because the plug in versions hide the visual feedback inside the FX bin. and thus simple tweaks are extra clicks away. and thus workflow is hindered.



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fair enough, I am a longtime Protools user and I like their panning. would definitly like it if Reaper had both modes.
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Wha...after all my hard work!!??

Exactly! ChanMix has a GREAT GUI!


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What i'd envision is:
- Click-drag to slide both halves
- Alt-click-drag to slide only one half

So they're linked unless Alt is pressed.

But, I trust J&C to implement this smarter than i could design.


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