Old 01-21-2015, 02:53 AM   #1
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Hi,

I have been looking for a while for real space mic'ed I.R's for use with ReaVerb and other than this ;

http://www.openairlib.net/ which has some interesting things ( but no studio size treated rooms )

i am drawing a blank...

There used to be many links for I.R's but most if not all now seem to be dead ( i wonder why ? ). I recently tried the voxengo Free Reverb Impulse Responses, but then realised they were created with an impulse modeler. I tried the Reaper resources but all the I.R's i found were based on algorithm units.

I know the briscali M7 impulses are available again which i will try but i am after real space I.R's.

Does anyone know of any studio room I.R links please ?

If i can't get them for free i will buy, but again i can only find whole packages like altiverb, waves with actual I.R files available.

This has been bugging me for a while as my room is not the best for recording monitor output ( for room guitars using amp sims, etc ) and i would like to try I.R's instead of algorithm's to see if any improvement in realism.

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Old 01-21-2015, 05:40 AM   #2
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:43 AM   #3
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Thanks man but they are ported roland vs verbs which i am assuming are algo's.

I have now got the briscali m7 verbs and they are very nice and sound pretty realistic ( shame there is no I.R's for spring verbs in there ).

Would be nice to get some real room I.R's though.....

Anyone ?

If there are non free, what are the best paid for options please that include real I.R's ?

ps. found this for more venues etc..with one studio but a bit too well damped and large. Still pretty nice though and more realistic than the briscali to me ;

http://www.echothief.com/venues/

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Old 01-21-2015, 08:46 AM   #4
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I've tried to ask the same question in the past and never got an answer other than 'Bricasti' I'm afraid, which isn't what I was after either. Waves IR-L comes with a large impulse library of real spaces, even including photos of the space and details of microphone placement etc. I find them quite good and there is a lot of variety.
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Thanks for the reply.

This is what i was expecting / fearing, having to buy more relatively expensive software for reaper as it doesn' t have I.R libraries included....

Oh well

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Old 01-21-2015, 09:31 AM   #6
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I am similarly frustrated.

Why are all the good natural space impulses only found in proprietary formats for RIDICULOUSLY expensive IR verbs like altiverb.

Are there seriously NO quality real space impulse packs for sale that will work with convolutions verbs like Reaverberate, SIR, Reverberate LE, etc.

The free M7 impulses are good but for drum room (my main use for IR's) a REAL room just sounds better to me. ALOT better. I have about 3 useful IR's for this application. I'd like to have at least a dozen.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:46 AM   #7
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real spaces is decent but expensive & it means giving money to EWQL :/

altiverb is the best for studios im afraid to say. the zappa rooms are worth every penny.

probably not what you wanna hear though.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:57 AM   #8
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I am similarly frustrated.

Why are all the good natural space impulses only found in proprietary formats for RIDICULOUSLY expensive IR verbs like altiverb.

Are there seriously NO quality real space impulse packs for sale that will work with convolutions verbs like Reaverberate, SIR, Reverberate LE, etc.

The free M7 impulses are good but for drum room (my main use for IR's) a REAL room just sounds better to me. ALOT better. I have about 3 useful IR's for this application. I'd like to have at least a dozen.
Yes, exactly. I could find nil and can ill afford the expensive ones.

Do other DAW's ( like logic pro ) have included real room I.R's i wonder ?

Altiverb waaaaay out of my current price range

Like the dude said " this is a bummer man "

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Old 01-21-2015, 10:39 AM   #9
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Magic buss,

Would you mind sharing the links for your drum room I.R's please .

Those links i posted do have a few nice spaces. The last ones studio is pretty nice as a mono to stereo effect with reaverb. It just took a while to match the phase of the pre-delay and then.... nice room to put guitars through.

I did try the waves ir-l years and years ago and remember the rooms sounding thin but i couldn't put a finger on it....may have ever been my fault ( or not knowing about phase issues at the time ! )
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:42 AM   #10
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FWIW here are links to the IR sets that have some decent live rooms

http://www.voxengo.com/impulses/
http://www.emes.de/pageseng/products...e/eimpulse.htm
http://www.hopkinsmediaservices.com/ir.html P.S. the EMT plate impulses are pretty damn good.

Still looking for more. Hard to believe there is not a commercial impulse pack in wav format featuring real live rooms/spaces. This seems to be a huge hole in the market just waiting to be filled.
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:46 AM   #11
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Totally agree.

You posted this answer at the same time as i was posting the question !!! That was mint !

It was as if you read my mind and utilised the pre delay that is in built in me to post the answer..hehe
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http://www.liquidsonics.com/software_reverberate.htm

The demo version comes with IR's in FLAC format, they have real space names but I can't be sure where they are actually sampled from.

I assume they work anywhere. Maybe a bit cheeky if you don't buy the software...

Also my friend Nikolay Georgiev has some great free ones, i know he took a great deal of time making them very good quality:

http://georgievsound.com/free-downloads/
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The Emes IR's are software models, but if they suit your purpose by all means go for it.

There's a few reasons why live studio IR's are so hard to find.

1) Many of the studios used for our favorite songs are now parking lots, condos, or Starbucks. I know this is the case in NYC at least.

2) Those that remain are keeping a tight leash on access, for use in their own (for-profit) IR packs.

For example, Carnegie Hall has expressly forbidden recording any IRs.
If you're in their room, you'd better be working on a session for one of the major New York orchestras.

3) Studio owner: "Convolution reverb? Impulse responses? Are you effin' kidding me? That stuff will never sell."

edit: having said that, I dug and found this: the Fokke van Saane impulse responses

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Old 01-21-2015, 11:04 AM   #14
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Magicbuss,

Thanks very much. I saw your first two links before and assumed they are synthesised rooms from what was said, like the voxengo being made by an impulse modeller but the other one says it uses real rooms virtually rendered. Are they real I.R's though ?

David Else,

Many thanks for these, especially the Nikolay Georgiev link. That looks like a fine resource indeed so i will check it out with appreciation.

Cheers

Ginormous,

You answered my question thanks
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Old 01-21-2015, 11:11 AM   #15
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I saw your first two links before and assumed they are synthesised rooms from what was said, like the voxengo being made by an impulse modeller but the other one says it uses real rooms virtually rendered. Are they real I.R's ?
well I'll be...
The Emes response are indeed "virtual" rooms
Not sure about voxengo. The wording is vague.

The Hopkins are definitely real spaces and real plates.

Here's another link

Finnvox real plates and rooms: direct download link
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=h...AxNDIxODYzNDA4

A couple I just found today

http://blog.liveschool.net/studios-3...tral-room-irs/

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/impulses
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The Emes IR's are software models, but if they suit your purpose by all means go for it.

There's a few reasons why live studio IR's are so hard to find.

1) Many of the studios used for our favorite songs are now parking lots, condos, or Starbucks. I know this is the case in NYC at least.

2) Those that remain are keeping a tight leash on access, for use in their own (for-profit) IR packs.

For example, Carnegie Hall has expressly forbidden recording any IRs.
If you're in their room, you'd better be working on a session for one of the major New York orchestras.

3) Studio owner: "Convolution reverb? Impulse responses? Are you effin' kidding me? That stuff will never sell."
I would think that a Sound City drum room impulse set (now Fairfax studio A) would sell a bajillion copies. UAD has Oceanway. Altiverb offers MANY well known live rooms just not in wav format.
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http://www.liquidsonics.com/software_reverberate.htm

The demo version comes with IR's in FLAC format, they have real space names but I can't be sure where they are actually sampled from.
I have reverberate LE and I demo'd the full reverberate and I dont like ANY of the rooms. :-(

FWIW I tend to use Slate Trigger 2 for sample reinforcement and I am finding that using his room/ambience samples can work well for snare, toms and even kick in lieu of room impulses. But I still like some room verb on the OH's. And I also like rooms for guitar.

Anyway, you can even trigger JUST the room samples (no actuall sample replacement) if you can find ones that sound reasonably close to the real drums.
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Old 01-21-2015, 12:00 PM   #18
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Magic buss,

Many thanks for the extra links,I will be sure to try them.

Cheers


Does anyone have any real spring reverb IR's they could share with me please ? ( I would really appreciate it. )
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Old 01-21-2015, 12:30 PM   #19
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The Finnvox link no longer seems to work unfortunately and it sounds like they could be really good.
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Here's a link to the finnvox youtube video. The DL link is in the description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...-ts=1421782837

Here's an alternate direct download link
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338211/Finnvox_Impulses.zip
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Ahh thanks very much man, very kind of you. The youtube link seems to have worked for me.

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Old 01-24-2015, 07:55 AM   #22
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Thanks for everyones help here.

I think i am sorted for rooms now but the only spring IR i have found that i like is this one :

the Fokke van Saane impulse responses

http://fokkie.home.xs4all.nl/IR.htm

which i cannot use as it is set up for altiverb......

Is there any easy way to convert these files to wav ( without having to download trial period software ) as i know it can be done without it but then you don't get the important things converted like sample rate etc...

The Fokke site mentions converting them on a mac - i use a mac but cannot work this out

Any help would be much appreciated ( or links to real spring IR's in .wav format ).

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I would think that a Sound City drum room impulse set (now Fairfax studio A) would sell a bajillion copies. UAD has Oceanway. Altiverb offers MANY well known live rooms just not in wav format.
I would suspect we will see IRs from Blackbird at some point.
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There are a few here..

http://www.cksde.com/index.php/2012-...resp-libraries

Nevermind... Those used to be free and downloadable IIRC
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Thanks for trying anyway.

I tried a few more IR's from the Hopkinsmedia site and the akg spring is nice actually, maybe a bit long for a guitar amp but better than the algo's i have tried, as it has more depth and realism.

It's mad but i can't find a standard guitar amp tank reverb IR anywhere. I know the tubes need to be involved but its a shame some of the dudes who D.I.Y them haven't put up a few IR's of them .

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