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Old 08-23-2016, 10:58 AM   #1001
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Mouse wheel on vertical scrollbar should really vertically scroll and not zoom. Ideally mouse wheel on track name on the left should be a different target that vertically scrolls without a modifier too.
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:53 AM   #1002
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Hi Everyone,

Sorry if this has been answered. I tried to search it but no reply (:

I was wondering if we can directly set our chords to a beat when we write it? For example I write a C chord and can say right click and assign it to say a 16th beat or so on....?

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Old 08-24-2016, 02:59 PM   #1003
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I don't understand the question... what exactly do you want to do?
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:42 PM   #1004
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Hi Everyone,

Sorry if this has been answered. I tried to search it but no reply (:

I was wondering if we can directly set our chords to a beat when we write it? For example I write a C chord and can say right click and assign it to say a 16th beat or so on....?

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Like step recording? yes, Reaper can do that
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:55 PM   #1005
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Like step recording? yes, Reaper can do that
Great, Thanks! How do I do that in NOTATION mod?

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Old 08-27-2016, 03:52 PM   #1006
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How do you suggest I get the notation view side by side with the MIDI editor if I'd like both docked? Not floating.
You replied to julians bug report with a question that really does not relate to 'Notation pre-release'.

You (and subsequent posters asking general questions about workflow in Notation) should be posting in the Q&A, tips and tricks forum. Can we please keep this thread useful for it's stated purpose?
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Old 08-27-2016, 04:01 PM   #1007
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You replied to julians bug report with a question that really does not relate to 'Notation pre-release'.

You (and subsequent posters asking general questions about workflow in Notation) should be posting in the Q&A, tips and tricks forum. Can we please keep this thread useful for it's stated purpose?
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:43 AM   #1008
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@Schwa :

Excuse me for being repetitive, but I´m afraid that my posts about this issue might have passed unnoticed. The thing is that, as I exemplify here : http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=20 , tuplet creation is buggy when set to high or low voice. Default voice is fine, as far as I could see.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 08-31-2016, 09:29 PM   #1009
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@Schwa :

Excuse me for being repetitive, but I´m afraid that my posts about this issue might have passed unnoticed. The thing is that, as I exemplify here : http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=20 , tuplet creation is buggy when set to high or low voice. Default voice is fine, as far as I could see.

Thanks in advance!
BTW, I am also seeing this bug.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:37 PM   #1010
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Is it fixed in v5.24? seems to be.

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Old 09-04-2016, 12:31 AM   #1011
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"juliansader:
The only remaining limitation is that multiple editors cannot have the same active item"

Ähm.. half... if really necessary-different zoom levels|long items,....or whatever reason-
it is,somewhat, possible with a little trick.....
Lice: Multi view/edit three times the same item content


but only the piano & notation view/editor would update the item content directly/on the fly during mouse edits.
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:53 AM   #1012
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tuplet creation is buggy when set to high or low voice. Default voice is fine, as far as I could see.
AFAICT the bug is that setting the voice in the tuplet dialog does not change the voice of the selected notes, though it does change the note positions/durations if that setting is enabled. If the selected notes are already in the correct voice, then the dialog works as expected. Does that match what you are seeing?
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:42 AM   #1013
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Exactly!! You nailed it! After testing with that in mind, it proves to be as you say...

Since I have been dealing with tuplets in my latest reports, take a look at this :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0o73cimz...bZFbBiZta?dl=0

After moving the bracket from the low voice tuplet, the first note of the high voice is messed. Broadly speaking, tuplet brackets handling seems to be visually confusing most of the times. Whenever you move them above or below, the brackets themselves remain between the notes. I hope there can be a cleaner way at some point...
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Old 09-07-2016, 01:21 PM   #1014
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Thanks so much for the fix, Schwa! Now tuplets seem to work fine, as far as I could test...
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:42 AM   #1015
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The MIDI standard provides a variety of Text Event types, including:

Cue Point: "This optional event is used to describe something that happens within a film, video or stage production at that point in the musical score (eg 'Car crashes', 'Door opens', etc)."

Instrument Name: "This optional event is used to provide a textual clue regarding the intended instrumentation for a track (eg 'Piano' or 'Flute', etc)."

Marker: "This optional event is used to label points within a sequence, eg rehearsal letters, loop points, or section names (such as 'First verse')."

These sound like the kind of instructions that are commonly seen in scores. Perhaps it would therefore be a good idea to (optionally?) display these MIDI events in the notation view?

(Markers and cues are already displayed in the arrange view.)
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Old 09-26-2016, 02:14 AM   #1016
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Hi,

I get a crash everytime I want to select notes with rectangular marquee in a staff and scrolling to the right in linear view.

And a wish (perhaps it's already there, but I cannot find it): A function/action to select all notes in a staff, e.g. the upper staff of a piano system.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:27 AM   #1017
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There is currently no direct way to select all notes in either upper of lower staff of a piano part. One fairly simple way to do this would be set note range in the MIDI filter. ie. Filter Events: Check 'Show only events that pass filter' Event type : Note Low 59 B3 High 127 G9

Hit the 'Invert' button to get all F clef staff notes.

Right marquee selecting notes is working for me in 5.24, which version have you been having problems with?
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:01 AM   #1018
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I get a crash everytime I want to select notes with rectangular marquee in a staff and scrolling to the right in linear view.
Could you possibly attach a project that demonstrates this? We can't reproduce it here.
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:42 AM   #1019
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"There is currently no direct way to select all notes in either upper of lower staff of a piano part. One fairly simple way to do this would be set note range in the MIDI filter. ie. Filter Events: Check 'Show only events that pass filter' Event type : Note Low 59 B3 High 127 G9

Hit the 'Invert' button to get all F clef staff notes."

That's not the same. There could be notes higher than the filter borders in the low staff and vice versa.

Could this function be implemented? And perhaps - like in Overture - another to select one or more bars by e.g. double clicking?
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:51 AM   #1020
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"We can't reproduce it here."

It happens, when you go to the right as far as possible while holding down the right mouse key. The score begins to scroll to the left. Now release the mouse key and there it is.
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:55 AM   #1021
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"which version have you been having problems with?"

The newest pre: 526pre3
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:16 AM   #1022
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It happens, when you go to the right as far as possible while holding down the right mouse key. The score begins to scroll to the left. Now release the mouse key and there it is.
Would you care to try 5.26pre4a to see if it fixes this problem?

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=181910
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Old 09-26-2016, 11:38 AM   #1023
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Yes, works. Thanks!
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Old 09-26-2016, 09:55 PM   #1024
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... and bonus select all notes in staff Thanks schwa!
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:14 AM   #1025
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Tested the XML-export into notation apps and it's not good so far. Sent a demo piece (just some random notes called "Rumspielerei") to the Overture forum and got the following answer:
"Reaper created a bad MusicXML file. They have a bug in the very beginning that would set the first clock to three beats before the measure.
I have trapped that but am looking into hacking around the other bad data in the file."
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:05 AM   #1026
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Tested the XML-export into notation apps and it's not good so far. Sent a demo piece (just some random notes called "Rumspielerei") to the Overture forum and got the following answer:
"Reaper created a bad MusicXML file. They have a bug in the very beginning that would set the first clock to three beats before the measure.
I have trapped that but am looking into hacking around the other bad data in the file."
Thanks for the feedback. Any specific information like this about errors in the exported MusicXML is really useful.

That particular bug relating to pedal notation will be fixed for the next build. It would also be useful to have the original .RPP that generated this file, for testing.
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"That particular bug relating to pedal notation will be fixed for the next build. It would also be useful to have the original .RPP that generated this file, for testing."

Of course, here it is. I'll ask at the other forum, if the developer give some details of the other bugs.
It seems, that the pedal marks ar always showing up at the upper staff of a piano score.
In Reaper I would wish to have the possibility to set the distance of the pedal marks manually. They always collide with deep notes. And to have the choice of the line or the asterisk for pedal up.
And very important for good exports to notation apps: We need more than two voices, at least two per staff, better four.
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I'll ask at the other forum, if the developer give some details of the other bugs.
I would feel bad asking the developer of some other program to debug REAPER output Overture does have a demo (and we're already testing with MuseScore and Sibelius), so all we really need is examples of .RPP files that do not export musicxml that can be read into another program.
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And very important for good exports to notation apps: We need more than two voices, at least two per staff, better four.
There are currently 3 voices (default, high, low). There are plenty of requests to increase this, so we probably will!
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Okay. But you need to test with the newest version of Overture 5. It's 5.05, but a big update to 5.1 is in the pipeline.
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I would feel bad asking the developer of some other program to debug REAPER output
Awww, so humble, schwa.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:43 AM   #1032
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As another .rpp example you can look at my last example "test marquee crash".
This looks in Overture like this:
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:49 AM   #1033
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BTW pedal

at export:

redundant within the same XX measure

<direction placement="below">
<direction-type>
<pedal line="yes" sign="yes" type="start"/>
</direction-type>
</direction>

the same for type stop

Hold pedal stop at the end of XX measure wont be exported.. if the end measure would be the same as the exported one.. REAPER place
the stop at the next measure.

Import:
REAPER ignore XML pedal at XML import.
..
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Better I attach some easy understanding files.

1. the MIDI Source (of course very well at import and export)
Name- pedal3-MIDI-Source

2. REAPERs export as XML (Media Item size at export the same as the MIDI Source)
Name- Pedal3-XMLexport same size

3. REAPERs export as XML (I resize the Media item size one measure bigger before export to xml-- it is ugly to resize the item bigger only for capturing the hold pedal off for export to XML )
Name- Pedal3-XMLexport +1measure size

4. My hand modded one as it should be and look like after export (2.-Pedal3-XMLexport same size)
(one Start at the beginning of measure one; one stop at the End of measure 4 )
Name- Modded-Pedal3-XMLexport same size

the same like within the MIDI Source...


I think this would help..
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File Type: mid pedal3-MIDI-Source.MID (57 Bytes, 357 views)
File Type: xml Pedal3-XMLexport same size.xml (4.7 KB, 290 views)
File Type: xml Pedal3-XMLexport +1measure size.xml (6.9 KB, 302 views)
File Type: xml Modded-Pedal3-XMLexport same size.xml (4.7 KB, 320 views)
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That's, what was said additional: They use an offset of 24 for the pedal in the beginning and then backup 24 after that.
There should not be a backup of 24. Offsets do not affect the current time.
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There should not be a backup of 24. Offsets do not affect the current time.
That specific bug is fixed for the next build. I note that MuseScore does not seem to handle this properly, btw.
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As another .rpp example you can look at my last example "test marquee crash".
This looks in Overture like this:
This one seems to import more or less properly into MuseScore and Sibelius (after fixing the offset/backup error). Overture 5 does seem to have some issues with musicxml import, so it might be difficult to try to debug both REAPER export and Overture import at the same time.

Screenshot is MuseScore import, REAPER original, Sibelius import.


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since REAPER exports and imports into/from MIDI Files is really the best at the market
and the Reason No 1 for people to export
there work which they have done with REAPER
to something like these XML junk,
which only blow up the Data size
which REAPER can store already within MIDI Files,
which has at the end one much smaller data size
is printing out there stuff.

Should the other learn to import and interpret REAPER Notation ..

I personally would not spent so much of my DEV time for export and import XML,
if the No 1 reason for people would be printing out there work.
The first prio possibility should better Printing-Out REAPER work from REAPER.

Maybe after this i would do workings at these XML junk.
Another simple lice example..
Track 1 the source.. export to MIDI and XML
Track 2 the re-importing from the export MIDI File
It looks within Notation absolute exactly the same as the source.
Track 3 the re-import from the XML
Hola rosi, whats going on here^^ wrong positions, looks totally wired vs
the re import from the MIDI File (Track 2) or the Source (Track 1)...
And the export size of these simple XML is six times bigger than the MIDI File..

REAPER needs de facto the possibility for printing and the other should learn REAPER Notation from/to MIDI.

Certainly a little irony from me but in principle it hits the head and is more than just a grain of truth

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I personally would not spent so much of my DEV time for export and import XML,
I would agree that there are more urgent bugs. (The purpose of XML export is anyway to export to a proper notation program where small export errors can be sorted out.)

Schwa's progress with the notation editor has been so amazing that, somewhat ironically, working in the notation editor feels smoother and less buggy than the far older piano roll view.
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Hmmm, but what about DEV time setting up a 'basic' print function vs time perfecting MusicXML i/o?

If the 'basic' print can of worms gets opened then that will spill out eveywhere in an ugly way (Just my 2 cents obviously!!)

While I do share ELP enthusiasm for REAPER extended MIDI (Notation protocol), and in a perfect world the others would drop MusicXML development and add REPER MIDI_NOT, the other thing is just really well established now, so in my opinion better to focus on that.

It works quite will REAPER<>MuseScore and for potentially millions of users in the near future (by MuseScore 3+).

So keep tuning MusicXML I say.
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First keep the basics clean...

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Fix with 5.26pre7
(after glue|render|apply fx)


There is a big bug within the Notation..
I also test this with 5.23 and it is already there.

Glue|Render|or Apply FX|... item destroy the MIDI item which include REAPER Notation events!!

As example add one dynamic like Crescendo or text or whatever
add a note, glue the item..

After glue every new added Note add Copys of every notation event..

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