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06-21-2010, 09:06 PM
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Test Mix before we start recording album.
We start recording our album (concept album....16 tracks, jesus).
Hardware is dual Presonus Firepods, KRK RP6's. Reaper for my DAW.
Cheap CAD pro drum mic set minus the SM on the snare. Individually miced, but that doesn't matter because my room is shit. Working on that, but for this album I'm using drum samples triggered by Drumagog.
Guitars/bass are all DI and are all Guitar Rig 4 with custom presets (yes I know, and I do have the Le and TS30, and Nick's sim). Using Kefir for Mesa Impulses.
No vocals on this test mix, just prepping some recording/mixing techniques before we start on this bitch. I've been recording my ex-band (punk) for two years now, first metalish thing I've done in ages so I'm trying to get a grasp. I'm running Waves SSL EQ/comp on the guitars and bass. The OH's have some compression and the whole kit has a little bit of reverb to kind of mix things together. Guitars are double tracked, my brother is the other guitarist along with me. Two different guitars (S520EX on my side (left), Schecter C1 for him (right)). Guitars are panned 80% both ways. The guitar's are a bit sloppy and will be tightened up in the end.
Any tips are greatly appreciated!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324982/SKULLABYE-testmix.mp3
I have lots of troubles with getting levels and compression right.
EDIT: NEWEST MIX
Here is a newwer mix, minus compression on the master buss.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324982/SKULLABYE-MIX8.mp3
Last edited by Roncore!; 06-24-2010 at 03:46 PM.
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06-24-2010, 06:25 AM
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No tips. Just dropping by to say that it sounds like a good start and I'm looking forward to hearing more.
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06-24-2010, 07:48 AM
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06-24-2010, 09:20 AM
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The first one makes better impression. I think the second one may be overcompressed. Honestly, I think it needs more work either way.
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06-24-2010, 09:38 AM
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Thanks for the comment. I think that is probably the compression on the master buss that is doing that. I'll try to put the uncompressed version up.
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06-24-2010, 12:05 PM
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I also think the 1st one is better, tho the drums do sound "flat".....
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06-24-2010, 12:52 PM
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Listening to the first one...
First thing I noticed is, the kick has too much reverb on it.
If you're running a reverb buss off your main drum track, put an EQ after it and high-pass it at about 180Hz or so; that should clean up the kick nicely.
Then turn the drums (not overheads) up as a whole, or turn the guitars down some; that would probably be better, actually, because they're really loud, especially the cleans.
The toms need some more work... too much compression, seems like. Let them breathe a little. Turn them up, and take some of that compression off. Toms can be a little louder than the rest of the mix; they add a huge dynamic element when they sit right and punch through.
I'm not at my studio right now, so I'm listening on cheapo computer speakers, but try those suggestions and see what you get.
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06-24-2010, 03:26 PM
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That kick is sampled and doesn't sound like it has reverb on it to me as a single file, maybe the rest of the tracks reverb is clouding it? The kick is actually on a separate chain than the rest of the drums for that purpose. I will def try the hi-pass. I have a hi-pass at 100hz on everything but the bass and kick right now.
Here is a newwer mix, minus compression on the master buss.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324982/SKULLABYE-MIX8.mp3
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06-24-2010, 03:40 PM
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Lots better! Kick still needs some work, but the weird reverby effect from before seems to be gone.
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06-24-2010, 03:42 PM
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Thank you and I agree, the kick is still standing out somehow, any suggestions?
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06-24-2010, 03:45 PM
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It's not standing out, it's getting lost!
If it were me, I'd put a high-shelf around 2k, and start boosting it until the click starts coming through; the low end seems to be there, but there's no highs, so the guitars cover it up.
How are you getting that kick sound? What program, compression, EQ, etc.
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06-24-2010, 03:47 PM
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The kick is being triggered via drumagog. The kick, I believe, was already compressed and eq'd before it was released out in the wild. I'll try the pass.
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06-24-2010, 03:50 PM
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High-shelf, not pass. Huge difference.
And if you can't get it to come to life, try another sample. That's the awesome thing about samples; there's tons of them. XD
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06-24-2010, 03:53 PM
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Yep Yep! I actually originally used a Sneap sample, but it was too clicky. Maybe I need to find a middle ground, haha.
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06-24-2010, 03:56 PM
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Yeah, sounds like it! Haha.
Try high-shelving the Sneap sample, but doing a cut instead of a boost.
That will bring down the click some, while retaining the thump.
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06-24-2010, 04:30 PM
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Aw yeah, that's it!
You could probably use some automation to crank up the kick and snare for the loud parts, and bring them back down for the softer passages.
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06-24-2010, 04:38 PM
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How much would you raise the heavy parts on automation? I've got the kick and snare right around -5 to -6 peak right now.
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06-24-2010, 04:43 PM
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Maybe 3dB. Not enough to clip it out, but enough to add a little fire into the chorus.
Alternatively, you could automate the clean parts down; that would probably be the safer bet.
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06-24-2010, 05:16 PM
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Sounding really good, man! I'm diggin' it.
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06-24-2010, 11:18 PM
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06-24-2010, 11:25 PM
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I had to listen really low, because it's late, but...
awesome. \m/
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06-25-2010, 05:27 AM
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Hey, now.
Sounds great with the vocals. I really like the style. The clean sections almost have a Roger Waters or Frank Black kind of vibe to them and the heavy sections are really aggressive, but not harsh.
Nice one.
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07-02-2010, 06:50 PM
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07-03-2010, 10:27 AM
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