Old 07-31-2020, 04:57 PM   #1
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Default Interesting time signature problem

I am trying to set up a grid that could fit the rhythm of this song. So far I was unable to do it. I believe it is an Arabic / middle eastern pattern jumping between 9/8 and 4/4 signatures. Also if someone is familiar with these types of patterns I think it also has a specific name (Morocco or some other region). The name might be useful in order to find some literature on it for further study.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHBUpdltXtc

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Old 07-31-2020, 05:24 PM   #2
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7/4
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:49 PM   #3
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septup...kan_folk_music
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:56 PM   #4
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Most of it as Fex mentioned is in 7/4. The slower parts are phrases of 2 bars in 7/4(or could be counted 14/4 if it helps), the faster part at 3:32 is also in 7/4. it changes at 3:47 to 11/4 phrased in 2 bars(you can count it in 22/4 if it helps to hear it). The part at 4:17 is in 13/4 ( easiest way to hear/count it, is break it into: one two three- one two three- one two three- one two- one two), there is a ritard at 4:50 that cuts off approximately an eighth note, and then it goes back into the slow original 7/4 feel for the rest of the tune.

Cool song. I haven't messed with the time sig changes in REAPER, but hopefully the breakdown above might help a little. That ritard at 4:50 might be tough to map to the grid, but there are so many knowledgeable people here in the community, I'm sure someone else can tell you an easy way to do it if there is a way.

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Old 07-31-2020, 06:14 PM   #5
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I was so sure that the next post would be someone talking out of their hat.... but BeatPsychic is legit.
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I haven't messed with the time sig changes in REAPER
I actually did, but I got bored before 3:47. I might have a look later, now I have BeatPsychic's work to go on.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:25 PM   #6
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Nice BeatPsychic and Fex, thanx for the breakdown, its kinda tough nut to crack technically. Im using this example to learn reaper in case i stumble on a similar project here in the Balkans
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:29 PM   #7
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In case someone is interested, I found this guy breaking down darabuka rhythms. Pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...TPA_CizVEH1zFO
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:30 PM   #8
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Im using this example to learn reaper
It's certainly a challenging project to learn Reaper on!

Let us know if you get stuck. It's not hard to map stuff like this, but it's real easy to mess it up if you're not sure what you're doing.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:11 PM   #9
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No prob! I've done plenty of 4/4 stuff, but just in case I have to learn time signature changes..
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:31 AM   #10
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I`ve jammed with balkan bands & Klezmer bands & the best way I found to meld with the rest of them is to just go with it. Dont try to count & if they are good players you will very quickly "feel" where it`s all going.

Mind you I grew up in a predominantly jewish/yiddish part of north london & was surrounded by this sort of music as a kid.
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:43 AM   #11
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Yeah, I also grew up around these ethnic gypsy / sevdah beats which use a lot of middle eastern / oriental styles. I have no problem "going with it" by ear, but when it comes to DAWs it is hard to place them in the grid. So as a studio tech/editor I have to get familiar with how to solve this in a project
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