Old 09-16-2019, 02:50 PM   #4721
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Great Do the displays work ok? (plugin parameter name/value)



To open the learn window, you need to assign a button:
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By all means familiarise yourself with the Learn window, but LearnMode itself is still being developed, so it might be a while before you can map plugins with it.



No problem Once get the hang of how Zones work and have mapped few plugins it will seem a lot easier
No, The parameters were swapped around! eheh
One thing i noticed is that reaper hangs too much when removing the plugin, stops responding a while and then comes back (maybe because of the file that i´m editing is open on notepad++ ?
Another thing is the rotary encoders, even with FXparameters set different some change at same time!
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:54 PM   #4722
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Please post the contents of your .ost and .zon files immediately, before any more stress is incurred

Seriously, post 'em and we'll get you sorted.
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That's everything, Just in case.
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That's everything, Just in case.
Sometimes there are unintended consequences... that actually work in your favour

You just sent me the whole debug set

I'm just starting to work through -- notice that the switches are generating Press only using your .touchosc files on a Mac, confirming our bug in Windows Touch OSC of a while back.

I will fix all of that up, then move on to .ost file -- notice the switches map, the rotaries don't, but I can see input from rotaries, that suggests an .ost problem.

I'll work through this and get you going...
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I have this in my UAD zon file

DisplayUpper7 FXParamNameDisplay 2 "CPS"
DisplayLower7 FXParamValueDispaly
Rotary7 FXParam 2
Toggle+RotaryPush7 NoAction

if i move the plugin with the mouse i can see it changing in the X-Touch encoder but when i move the encoder it takes wayyyy tooo long to change the parameter in the plugin, can i make it faster changing the value ?
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Old 09-16-2019, 03:47 PM   #4725
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Sometimes there are unintended consequences... that actually work in your favour

You just sent me the whole debug set
I figured you might as well have everything to get the full overview, incase I miss something.
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I have this in my UAD zon file

DisplayUpper7 FXParamNameDisplay 2 "CPS"
DisplayLower7 FXParamValueDispaly
Rotary7 FXParam 2
Toggle+RotaryPush7 NoAction

if i move the plugin with the mouse i can see it changing in the X-Touch encoder but when i move the encoder it takes wayyyy tooo long to change the parameter in the plugin, can i make it faster changing the value ?
Check that you haven't turned on any MIDI monitoring options in the Learn Window. Also zip up your files and post them, if you want me to take a look at them (there's a typo in the DisplayLower line you posted)
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I figured you might as well have everything to get the full overview, incase I miss something.
Yeah, I didn't really get this until now, but I am saying this Touch OSC is going to be GREAT for debugging -- I can trace from the Surface emulation right through.
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Right it doesn't have a Shift.

The Shift function doesn't have to be defined for each Surface -- Shift is at a Page level.

Whatever Surface you Press Shift on doesn't matter -- any Shift pressed on any Surface Shifts the whole Page.
That's not what I'm seeing. I've had to include the Shift Shift line in any zone on the surface that has the Shift button. If I do that, then any other surface can use it no problem. Same goes for Alt/Control/etc.

I've simplified this right down, pulling out all other Zones except my Home zone, and even then I still need to put Shift Shift in.

That fixes it and I'm moving ahead, but let me know if you want more details in case anyone else is seeing this (I think maybe @Freex is seeing the same behaviour)

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I have a FCB1010, which is a foot controller. It has a bunch of foot switches and two expression pedals. One of the expression pedals maps perfectly as a Fader7Bit, the other one is a bit odd.

Basically anytime it moves in the bottom half of its range, it transmits ba 0a 00. Regardless of whether it is increasing or decreasing, as long as it is under half way, it sends that same message

Equally, if it is in the top half of its range, it sends ba 0a 01. Again, regardless of whether it is increasing or decreasing.

This seems really odd. If it sent 00 when decreasing and 01 when increasing, that would make sense. I've tried resetting it back to default settings, but still the same behavior.

Anyone seen a control like this before? Any idea how I define it as a widget?
I think this one got lost in the great Shift Shift discussion

Anyone seen a widget behave like this?
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I think this one got lost in the great Shift Shift discussion

Anyone seen a widget behave like this?
Did you try this ?

2.9 Calibrating expression pedals A and B

Should you experience problems with exact MIDI controller data transmission while using the expression pedals, we recommend calibrating the pedals. Calibrating the pedals follows the complition of the FCB1010 self-test.
◊ All software versions 1.4 and newer allow for direct calibration by keeping the switches 1 and 5 pressed while powering up the unit.
If your FCB1010 features the software version 1.4 or higher, skip the first 4 steps in the set of instructions that follow (i.e. start at point number 5). To find if your unit features version 1.4 or higher of the software, first try keeping the switches 1 and 5 pressed while powering up the unit. If nothing happens, start calibrating your FCB1010 beginning with the first step in the list that follows.
• Keep the switches 1 and 3 pressed while powering up the unit. This puts your FCB1010 into self-test mode, and all LEDs are being tested.
• Please wait until all switch LEDs light up. Then press all the switches, including the UP/ENTER and DOWN/ESCAPE keys, so that all LEDs are turned off.
• Wait for a moment while the relay test is completed (four quiet cliking sounds are heard). The display shows F1 if no MIDI connection is present. If you connected MIDI Out to MIDI In, the display shows A1. In this case, the MIDI connections operate correctly.
• Press DOWN/ESCAPE once.
• Move the expression pedal A to the lowest value possible (pedal open). The VALUE 1 LED lights up. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal A to the highest value possible (pressed down all the way). The VALUE 2 LED lights up. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal B to the lowest value possible. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal B to the highest value possible. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
Both pedals are now correctly calibrated.
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Configurator update

Bug fix: Prevented error message on Windows when file selector box is cancelled without choosing a file.

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Did you try this ?

2.9 Calibrating expression pedals A and B

Should you experience problems with exact MIDI controller data transmission while using the expression pedals, we recommend calibrating the pedals. Calibrating the pedals follows the complition of the FCB1010 self-test.
◊ All software versions 1.4 and newer allow for direct calibration by keeping the switches 1 and 5 pressed while powering up the unit.
If your FCB1010 features the software version 1.4 or higher, skip the first 4 steps in the set of instructions that follow (i.e. start at point number 5). To find if your unit features version 1.4 or higher of the software, first try keeping the switches 1 and 5 pressed while powering up the unit. If nothing happens, start calibrating your FCB1010 beginning with the first step in the list that follows.
• Keep the switches 1 and 3 pressed while powering up the unit. This puts your FCB1010 into self-test mode, and all LEDs are being tested.
• Please wait until all switch LEDs light up. Then press all the switches, including the UP/ENTER and DOWN/ESCAPE keys, so that all LEDs are turned off.
• Wait for a moment while the relay test is completed (four quiet cliking sounds are heard). The display shows F1 if no MIDI connection is present. If you connected MIDI Out to MIDI In, the display shows A1. In this case, the MIDI connections operate correctly.
• Press DOWN/ESCAPE once.
• Move the expression pedal A to the lowest value possible (pedal open). The VALUE 1 LED lights up. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal A to the highest value possible (pressed down all the way). The VALUE 2 LED lights up. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal B to the lowest value possible. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
• Move the expression pedal B to the highest value possible. When the value is adjusted, press the UP/ENTER key.
Both pedals are now correctly calibrated.
Yeah, I did that one as well after the factory reset. Will try and use the FCB1010 editor when I get home tonight and see if I can redefine what it is.

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I suppose we should be grateful they still support 32 bit, Apple have just killed support for it.
No way to use a GNU compiler ?

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Old 09-16-2019, 11:26 PM   #4734
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To open the learn window, you need to assign a button:
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Is it necessary to define a Learn button on the Surface ? In case there are not that many buttons, it might be more desirable to assign a PC key combination for this.

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Is it necessary to define a Learn button on the Surface ? In case there are not that many buttons, it might be more desirable to assign a PC key combination for this.

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You can put the shortcut in reaper, it's the "no action" shortcut.
I have it on my tool bar atm just in case everything goes rogue.

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Diving into this new learn mode!!! Looks awesome, STILL.
How does waves make it on the LV1 system, so that no need to make custom mapping for every plugin its loaded on the surface ? it automatically maps the parameters to the plugin. Does this make sense for further programming ?
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Could you please help on how to make this.
I´m mapping the ReaEQ to my X touch. Since i only have 8 encoders i would like to make one encoder to be able to perform 2 functions.

1- changing the frequency value + rotarypush and rotate adjust the Q factor for that frequency
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DisplayUpper3 FXParamNameDisplay 3 "LMHz"
DisplayLower3 FXParamValueDispaly 3
Rotary3 FXParam 3
Toggle+RotaryPush3 FXParam 5

what it does it changing the bandwidth from monimum to max value, doesn´t change the actual value . I know i´m doing something wrong, cant figure out what.
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DONE

DisplayUpper3 FXParamNameDisplay 3 "LMHz"
DisplayLower3 FXParamValueDispaly 3
Rotary3 FXParam 3
Shift+Rotary3 FXParam 5
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Yeah, I did that one as well after the factory reset. Will try and use the FCB1010 editor when I get home tonight and see if I can redefine what it is.

Cheers
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OK, after too much time mucking around with two different PC editors for the FCB1010, I found out it was set to an odd midi configuration apparently used for controlling old theatre lighting systems (as best I can google).

For some reason I couldn't dump a new SYSEX to it, so resorted to directly programming the expression pedal on the device. At times it felt like the Riverdance, with all the pedal pressing and foot crossing, but I got into a bit of a rhythm and changed all 100 presets to send the original, encoder-like messages and now it's good to go.

If anyone in future reads this with an FCB1010, save your ankles and message me and I'll send you the sysex.
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DONE

DisplayUpper3 FXParamNameDisplay 3 "LMHz"
DisplayLower3 FXParamValueDispaly 3
Rotary3 FXParam 3
Shift+Rotary3 FXParam 5
Change:
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DisplayLower3 FXParamValueDispaly 3
to

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DisplayLower3 FXParamValueDisplay 3
This was a typo in my original post.
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At times it felt like the Riverdance, with all the pedal pressing and foot crossing, but I got into a bit of a rhythm and changed all 100 presets to send the original, encoder-like messages and now it's good to go.
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New build is up.

More CR LF stuff.

IncludedZones and ParentZone should now work in Learn Mode.

Thanks to @Freex, there is now a Touch OSC layout for the C4, that means we have a C4 emulator -- YAY !

Also included are the .ost and a starter .zon or 2 in the C4 folder.

@Freex, I tuned those files a bit, should work better now.
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Thanks to @Freex, there is now a Touch OSC layout for the C4, that means we have a C4 emulator -- YAY !
I haven't really kept up with the C4 emu, can it use the same FX.zon files as a real C4?
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Another curious person chiming on, recommended by Gerrit. Interesting project.

Looking into the options of building hardware controllers myself, with moderate abilities and experiences in electronics and programming. I just don't work well with a mouse. Never have.

I got a Console 1 available right now as a surface, and I can load the Control Surface Integrator into Reaper and configure things with Console1 fine. Trying to assign controls with targets now but I'm having slow progress trying to get Console1 control ReaComp. As usual, Console1 doesn't seem to want to work with anything other than its own plugins.
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Another curious person chiming on, recommended by Gerrit. Interesting project.

Looking into the options of building hardware controllers myself, with moderate abilities and experiences in electronics and programming. I just don't work well with a mouse. Never have.

I got a Console 1 available right now as a surface, and I can load the Control Surface Integrator into Reaper and configure things with Console1 fine. Trying to assign controls with targets now but I'm having slow progress trying to get Console1 control ReaComp. As usual, Console1 doesn't seem to want to work with anything other than its own plugins.
Geoff is really the one to answer this, as he has a Console1, but I don't think the Console1 can work 'natively' with its own plugins at the same time as outputting MIDI to work with CSI.
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I haven't really kept up with the C4 emu, can it use the same FX.zon files as a real C4?
Yes, that's the way I set it up, it's the c4 with a few extra buttons, more for convenience.

I'm using it to check my fxzones when i'm on the home pc.
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Another curious person chiming on, recommended by Gerrit. Interesting project.

Looking into the options of building hardware controllers myself, with moderate abilities and experiences in electronics and programming. I just don't work well with a mouse. Never have.

I got a Console 1 available right now as a surface, and I can load the Control Surface Integrator into Reaper and configure things with Console1 fine. Trying to assign controls with targets now but I'm having slow progress trying to get Console1 control ReaComp. As usual, Console1 doesn't seem to want to work with anything other than its own plugins.
You can't run the Console 1 Software with CSI -- Console 1 stops sending/receiving Midi when you run the software.

There is a ReaComp .zon file in CSI/Zones/Console1.

Here is a quick demo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqW...ature=youtu.be
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I haven't really kept up with the C4 emu, can it use the same FX.zon files as a real C4?
Yes, it's fantastic, now when anyone has trouble with a C4, they can send along the .ost/.zon files and the recipient can troubleshoot just like there was a real C4 in the room -- GREAT for debugging !!
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You can't run the Console 1 Software with CSI -- Console 1 stops sending/receiving Midi when you run the software.

Here is a quick demo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqW...ature=youtu.be
Ah, I suspected this about Console 1. And your video was originally what made me think that perhaps I might run CSI from Console1 after all, because mr Waddington sure seems to do just that in the video. :P

I'll have to get another control surface to experiment with then. Thanks for the tips.
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Yes, it's fantastic, now when anyone has trouble with a C4, they can send along the .ost/.zon files and the recipient can troubleshoot just like there was a real C4 in the room -- GREAT for debugging !!
Wow, awesome idea! Presumably this can be extrapolated to any other surface?

Also, I remember seeing in your video that when both the TouchOsc and real surface were present, that the controls on one were intrinsically linked to the controls on the other. This surely opens up the possibility of providing a display capability for surfaces that don't have one (the Behringer BCR2000 springs to mind, amongst others- MIDI Twister?)
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guys, i would like to be able, for the tracks that have more than one plugin already mapped to CSI, to choose what plugin to control before the display shows the parameters. how can i do that ?
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guys, i would like to be able, for the tracks that have more than one plugin already mapped to CSI, to choose what plugin to control before the display shows the parameters. how can i do that ?
In the X-Touch Home Zone add:
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In the same X-Touch .zon file add a new Zone:
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		DisplayLower| NoAction
		Rotary NoAction
		RotaryPush| GoFXSlot |
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In every FX Zone, make sure you have:
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SelectedTrackNavigator
Not:
Code:
FocusedFXNavigator
You'll probably want to enable/disable the FX Menu appearing when you switch tracks, pick a button and put this in the X-Touch Buttons Zone:
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Wow, awesome idea! Presumably this can be extrapolated to any other surface?
Yes, that's exactly the idea !

Getting @Freex up and running required changes to the .touchosc, .ost, and .zon files as well as some internal coding changes on my end for things I hadn't considered about always allowing Press/Release -- which right now were only showing up with OSC.

That bunch of problems would have been extremely difficult to diagnose if I didn't have everything here right in front of me -- on the bench as it were -- and would have buried this thread with back and forth noise as we sorted through it -- this way -- Piece of cake


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Also, I remember seeing in your video that when both the TouchOsc and real surface were present, that the controls on one were intrinsically linked to the controls on the other.
That's just because both the Console 1 Compressor section and the iPhone where both mapped to the LA2A Compressor, but yeah, easy to do.

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This surely opens up the possibility of providing a display capability for surfaces that don't have one (the Behringer BCR2000 springs to mind, amongst others- MIDI Twister?)
Oh yeah, and much, much more
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:29 AM   #4754
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That's just because both the Console 1 Compressor section and the iPhone where both mapped to the LA2A Compressor
No. In your video, the example with the IK Multimedia LA2A is just the last example of three where the Console1 is involved.

At 20 seconds into the video, you do turn an EQ control on your Console1 and your IK Multimedia Pultec on the screen responds accordingly. You actually say it out loud too, right at that point, that the Console1 EQ is mapped to the Pultec EQ. And next up you turn a button on the compressor section of Console1, and say that this button is mapped to your IK Multimedia Fairchild 660, and we can clearly see a control on the 660 move correspondingly.

That was what gave the impression that Console1 could control plugins via CSI. That's why I tried to do the same myself
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That's what gave the impression that the Console1 could control plugins via CSI.
It can, what's your point?
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No. In your video, the example with the IK Multimedia LA2A is just the last example of three where the Console1 is involved.

At 20 seconds into the video, you do turn an EQ control on your Console1 and your IK Multimedia Pultec on the screen responds accordingly. You actually say it out loud too, right at that point, that the Console1 EQ is mapped to the Pultec EQ. And next up you turn a button on the compressor section of Console1, and say that this button is mapped to your IK Multimedia Fairchild 660, and we can clearly see a control on the 660 move correspondingly.

That was what gave the impression that Console1 could control plugins via CSI. That's why I tried to do the same myself
Communication issue

You absolutely can use Console 1 to control plugins, just not IF you run the Softube app (executable) that gives you the screens for the selection buttons, other fancy graphics, etc.

If you don't start that app, Console 1 Midi works fine, and that's what you see in the video, the Console 1 plugged in, but NO Softube Console 1 app running -- CSI and Console 1 work fine together in this configuration.

BTW UAD not IK Multimedia

If this is not clear, please ask away
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It can, what's your point?
My point? Is that in #4747 Waddington told me that Console 1 can't be used, because it stops sending/receiving Midi when you run CSI. But it seems he edited his message since then ... Hm, now I'm a bit confused what happened here.

Plus, from his response, (as I read it), I wrote (#4749) that I now believed that Console1 couldn't control CSI. And so far nobody has corrected that, if it was a wrongful conclusion/statement.

And finally my test with my own Console1 (which failed) seemed to confirm what I felt I heard Waddington tell me.


But .. hmm ...

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Gah, seems I'm wrong about every little detail now ... aaaahh

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Yes, In short. Something happened here it seems. Human bug, weird misunderstanding.
I have to retry Console1 then ..

Great first impression in the thread, Colox. Superb
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My point? Is that in #4747 he told me that Console 1 can't be used, becuse it stops sending/receiving Midi when you run CSI. But it seems he edited his message since then. Hm, now I'm a bit confused what happened here.

Plus, from that response (as I read it) I wrote that I now believed that Console1 couldn't control CSI. And so far nobody has corrected me about that, if it was a wrongful conclusion/statement.


And finally my test with my own Console1 (which failed) seemed to confirm what I felt I heard Waddington tell me.


But .. hmm ...
No, he told you that the Console 1 stops sending/receiving MIDI when the Console1 Software is running , not CSI.
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I'm pretty sure I just did

Seriously though, there are a few things to get right to make it work, just keep asking questions
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My point? Is that in #4747 Waddington told me that Console 1 can't be used, because it stops sending/receiving Midi when you run CSI. But it seems he edited his message since then ... Hm, now I'm a bit confused what happened here.
Yeah, I edited it, because i realized "the software" could mean CSI or the Softube Console 1 app, so I changed it -- but that is indeed where this all started

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Yes, In short. Something happened here it seems. Human bug, weird misunderstanding.
I have to retry Console1 then ..

Great first impression in the thread, Colox. Superb
Thanks, yeah, the Console 1 works just fine, especially with addition of a Phone and/or Pad.

The console1 fulfills the "Channel" role and the devices fulfill the "Outboard" role to use old school large studio terms.

It's a very powerful combo, and you can add as many Phones/Pads as you have kicking around, as well as surfaces of course.
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Thanks @MixMonkey, that worked. I had stuff there but there was a | sign blocking things from going to subMenus i think.

Now another thing is my Faderbank and channel bank dont do anything, I have them set in the widgets page, *.mst file

Widget BankLeft
Press 90 2E 7f
WidgetEnd

Widget BankRight
Press 90 2F 7f
WidgetEnd

Widget ChannelLeft
Press 90 30 7f
WidgetEnd

Widget ChannelRight
Press 90 31 7f
WidgetEnd


and in the Zone Buttons set this way:

BankRight TrackBank 8
BankLeft TrackBank -8
ChannelLeft TrackBank -1
ChannelRight TrackBank 1

anything else missing ?
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