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Old 11-12-2010, 08:04 PM   #281
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I'm hoping some kindly soul could give me a leg up with getting the Klinke plugin mapping editor running.

Main problem I have is bringing the editor itself up. In Klinke's video, http://www.screencast.com/users/Klin...6-d2bfa7b1d55a , there's a neat editor with a save function. I have ReaGate on a track. There's a Reagate PlugMap in my c:\Program Files\REAPER 3\Plugins\MCU\PlugMaps\ folder. When I hit Alt+Plugin on my BCF2000 an editor comes up but not the one in the video and it's not mapped to ReaGate with no save function or much else. I have the ReaGate selected in the FX track list.

All the rest of Klinke's fine app is working great but I'm scratching my head on this issue.

Wot have I got wrong?

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Old 11-14-2010, 12:36 PM   #282
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I'm not sure if this is your problem, but you must select ReaGate on the BCF, normally this selection is independent of the selection in the FX track list.

Or did you open the wrong editor? There is also someone for the action mode. In this case you did pressed ALT-EQ and not ALT-PLUG.
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Old 11-14-2010, 01:21 PM   #283
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Or did you open the wrong editor? There is also someone for the action mode. In this case you did pressed ALT-EQ and not ALT-PLUG.
Cheers, Klinke. That sorted it out just fine. I was getting the action mode editor instead of the plugin one. Wrong button presses.

We are now awn line and rockin'. Thanks a billion for this great piece of work.

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Old 11-16-2010, 03:34 AM   #284
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Genmce - redux
Reaper version - ready for test.
Use any controller with klinke's plugin.
See keymce link in sig.
This is a work in progress.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:22 PM   #285
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Default Klinke! this new "4" API might interest you! ;)

+ API: added CountTCPFXParm, GetTCPFXParm functions (to access FX knobs the user has placed on the TCP)

I think it means you could have an additional "view" on the mackies for named assigned track fx parameters and since parameters save with fx chains could be a fast way of showing your favourite and most used parameters for not just one but ALL of the fx on that track.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:37 PM   #286
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any chance this might be available for reaper osx?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:30 AM   #287
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Thanks so much for all your work Klinke!

Just picked up a MCU Pro and I'm already up and running with basic controls. I'll have to take some time to figure out the plug-in control. I did read through the thread, but much of it started going over my head as I'm not familiar with the board and your program.

Looking forward to get up and running with a real control surface again.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:03 PM   #288
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+ API: added CountTCPFXParm, GetTCPFXParm functions (to access FX knobs the user has placed on the TCP)

I think it means you could have an additional "view" on the mackies for named assigned track fx parameters and since parameters save with fx chains could be a fast way of showing your favourite and most used parameters for not just one but ALL of the fx on that track.
Yep, i have seen this also. I started to think about the way i will support this functions (did you prefer to have the fx parameters only on the VPOTs instead of pan/actions or as an additional plugin-mode, so that the fx parameters can be controlled by the faders?). Also i plan to support the new pan-modes.

But this will not happen in the near future, at the moment i'm working on the last details of a new version and don't want to make bigger changes till this is released.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:05 PM   #289
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any chance this might be available for reaper osx?
Not from my side. As mentioned in this thread i'm willing to support someone how tries to do a OS-X port, but that's not a simple task. Sorry.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:07 PM   #290
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Just picked up a MCU Pro and I'm already up and running with basic controls. I'll have to take some time to figure out the plug-in control. I did read through the thread, but much of it started going over my head as I'm not familiar with the board and your program.
I hope that the next version will also contain an improved (proof-read) manual. But this isn't done yet, so i can't promise anything. But just ask questions, if you need help.
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Excellent news Klinke!

Instead of pan actions would be the primary mode but if you get round to it a "flip" mode would be great too. would be very powerful.

As for the new width controls, perhaps that can be a shift (locked) thing along with the pan button.

However you do it, I'm up for alpha/beta testing when you get the time, no rush though!

Will give you a donation for this because you deserve it anyway but really think this will be a powerful mode!

(Along side my alpha track that I can use just on the master track or a buss)

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Yep, i have seen this also. I started to think about the way i will support this functions (did you prefer to have the fx parameters only on the VPOTs instead of pan/actions or as an additional plugin-mode, so that the fx parameters can be controlled by the faders?). Also i plan to support the new pan-modes.

But this will not happen in the near future, at the moment i'm working on the last details of a new version and don't want to make bigger changes till this is released.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:49 PM   #292
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[...] at the moment i'm working on the last details of a new version and don't want to make bigger changes till this is released.
Nice.
Looking forward to it.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:16 PM   #293
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Thanks Klinke,

I wanted to mention a couple strange behaviors.. trying to figure out if it's a defective MCU Pro, or quirky software behavior...

First off, when I go into the preferences and edit my Klinke surface ie. checking any of the options, my MCU Pro's display gets all wacky. It was doing this before with Mackie's (not Klinke's) control program. Now if I close REAPER, switch off the board... then switch on the board and open up REAPER, it acts fine. Is this normal behavior?

Also, along with the display, sometimes, the faders don't calibrate properly(or so it says) when they move up and down and I'm switching options around.

I'll try to write up an exact step-by-step to reproduce for others to try probably tonight. I'm also trying to troubleshoot some performance issues, but I'll try to get around to everything tonight hopefully.

Finally, I was wondering if you're using a Lexan template of any kind for your MCU Pro Klinke. I don't have any Lexans on and I'm not sure how many of the default buttons map correctly. Is there a post or thread somewhere that might help a brand new MCU Pro user understand how to get the most out of it w/REAPER?

I appreciate all your hard work, once I'm up and running, I'll be hitting your PayPal. Much respect!
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Attaching a photo of the messed up display.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:41 PM   #295
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I'm noticing a popping/crackling sound when I adjust many faders at once. I can easily duplicate the noise by grabbing 4-6 faders and moving them up and down, happens even when I go SUPER slow.. anyone else experience anything like this?
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:02 PM   #296
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First off, when I go into the preferences and edit my Klinke surface ie. checking any of the options, my MCU Pro's display gets all wacky. It was doing this before with Mackie's (not Klinke's) control program. Now if I close REAPER, switch off the board... then switch on the board and open up REAPER, it acts fine. Is this normal behavior?
Which version do you use? The 0.6.4.0 from the stack or the newer version that i have mentioned some posts above in this thread (i can't check the version number at the moment)? If you use the newer version please try to reproduce the problem with 0.6.4.0. And does this also happened with the original MCU plugin?

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Also, along with the display, sometimes, the faders don't calibrate properly(or so it says) when they move up and down and I'm switching options around.
That is strange, because the calibration check is only triggered by the software, as far as i remember, i send only some MIDI-events that tell the MCU, that it should calibrate. Does this error message also sometimes appear after you turn on the MCU?

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Finally, I was wondering if you're using a Lexan template of any kind for your MCU Pro Klinke. I don't have any Lexans on and I'm not sure how many of the default buttons map correctly. Is there a post or thread somewhere that might help a brand new MCU Pro user understand how to get the most out of it w/REAPER?
I don't use a Lexan templete, i try to stay as near as possible to the default buttons. cdoerman created a word/open office template that can be used to create an overlay by yourself, see http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=41973. And i think the main reference at the moment is the readme that is part of the plugin release and this thread.
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I'm noticing a popping/crackling sound when I adjust many faders at once. I can easily duplicate the noise by grabbing 4-6 faders and moving them up and down, happens even when I go SUPER slow.. anyone else experience anything like this?
Reaper call the extensions in his GUI-Thread, so a extension can only block the User Interface, but not the audio-processing. But maybe the driver of the MIDI-Interface cause troubles when you send many MIDI events? Here is also the question: Does this also happen with the original MCU plugin?
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Which version do you use? The 0.6.4.0 from the stack or the newer version that i have mentioned some posts above in this thread (i can't check the version number at the moment)?
I'm running v0.6.4.0.

The display issue happens with the original MCU setting as well.
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That is strange, because the calibration check is only triggered by the software, as far as i remember, i send only some MIDI-events that tell the MCU, that it should calibrate. Does this error message also sometimes appear after you turn on the MCU?
Sorry, I must have explained it wrong.. the calibration message appears on the MCU Pro display. Says something along the lines of fader x did not calibrate properly, please run the manual calibration, if that doesn't fix it, then contact Loud Technologies.

The message appears randomly it appears, but more often when I'm opening or closing REAPER, or selecting a removing and adding a different surface setting, or checking/unchecking the boxes within a surface's preferences.
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:12 AM   #300
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Hi Klinke;

Just a line to say I tested yesterday your plugin on a Tascam DM4800. Mixing table was in Remote mackie controle for sonar mode. OS win 7x64, Reaper 64bit, everything works smoothly.

3 control surfaces have to be added, using the three Tascam MIDI ports (numbered 5,6,7 I think), with an offset of 0,8,16 respectively.
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Sorry, I must have explained it wrong.. the calibration message appears on the MCU Pro display. Says something along the lines of fader x did not calibrate properly, please run the manual calibration, if that doesn't fix it, then contact Loud Technologies.

The message appears randomly it appears, but more often when I'm opening or closing REAPER, or selecting a removing and adding a different surface setting, or checking/unchecking the boxes within a surface's preferences.
I think i have understood you correct. Is it the same error message as that you get when you hold a fader while you turn on the MCU? What i tried to say is that this check is only triggered by the Reaper plugin, but that the calibration check itself is run from the hardware itself (and i think it's the same as when you turn on the MCU, but it's a black box, so i can't say it for sure).
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Hi Klinke;

Just a line to say I tested yesterday your plugin on a Tascam DM4800. Mixing table was in Remote mackie controle for sonar mode. OS win 7x64, Reaper 64bit, everything works smoothly.

3 control surfaces have to be added, using the three Tascam MIDI ports (numbered 5,6,7 I think), with an offset of 0,8,16 respectively.
Just to add that on the DM4800 transport control work sometimes but not all the time. Don't have a clue if this is related to the CSurf or internal Tascam Remote mode issues.
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Just to add that on the DM4800 transport control work sometimes but not all the time. Don't have a clue if this is related to the CSurf or internal Tascam Remote mode issues.
Does PLAY and STOP also sometimes not work, or only REWIND and FFWD? Especially for PLAY and STOP i think that this can only happen, when the CSurf doesn't get the corresponding MIDI-Messages. Maybe you can check with a MIDI-Monitor if the DM4800 sending MIDI events while the CSurf doesn't respond.
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Does PLAY and STOP also sometimes not work, or only REWIND and FFWD? Especially for PLAY and STOP i think that this can only happen, when the CSurf doesn't get the corresponding MIDI-Messages. Maybe you can check with a MIDI-Monitor if the DM4800 sending MIDI events while the CSurf doesn't respond.
Thanks for your answer Klinke. Play and stop also show an irregular behavior. Next studio session, I'll do as suggested and revert.
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Just reformatted my PC. Which version should I install? <crosses fingers>
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Just reformatted my PC. Which version should I install? <crosses fingers>
I suggest to install the v0.64 from the stash (the link in the first post). I will release in the near future a new version that will be better tested then the version i have posted some month ago. I would wait for this before i update.
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Strange, I'm not seeing the Klinke MCU from the list of control surfaces in REAPER.

I'm running 64-bit. It's strange because I saw it before. I followed the readme instructions. I see the Klinke csurf next to the default one in the directory.

Any ideas?
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Are you sure that you have replaced the reaper_csurf_klinke.dll with the 64bit version that you can find in the subfolder Reaper/Plugins/MCU/64bit_version? You must see a file called reaper_csurf_klinke_x64.dll next to the default one.
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Are you sure that you have replaced the reaper_csurf_klinke.dll with the 64bit version that you can find in the subfolder Reaper/Plugins/MCU/64bit_version? You must see a file called reaper_csurf_klinke_x64.dll next to the default one.
That's what I forgot... lol.

Nonetheless, I'm still having issues with my Mackie and REAPER. With Klink csurf and the REAPER default ones both. The problem is...

I switch on MCU, fire up REAPER. No problems. I close REAPER, leaving the MCU on. Then when I restart REAPER, the display shows nonsense. It works unstably until it glitches.

The way to fix it.

I have to close REAPER. Shut off MCU, then fire it up again. Then fire up REAPER.

That usually does the trick. But still, more often that it should, the MCU will glitch and freeze on a button press. Most of the time while I'm navigating the session timeline with the arrows on the MCU. It may glitch when I'm scrolling left, and continue to scroll indefinitely and all other inputs are immediately overrun by the stream of left scroll. I hope that makes sense.

Don't understand why I haven't run across anyone else facing this issue. My PC is a custom DAW PC with GigaByte GA-X58A-UD3R motherboard.

Running W7 64-bit.
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On a side note, I did test my MCU out on my friend's Mac Pro w/Logic. Works flawlessly! I know MCUs work well with Pro Tools; I ordered a copy last week, so we'll see how it fares with PT9. If it works fine, then I know it's not my PC and something to do with REAPER and MCU... but that seems odd like I said before, not many people having my issue, if any? Anyone else experiencing bugs or glitches with their MCU? Display scrambling, or command presses getting stuck?
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Does PLAY and STOP also sometimes not work, or only REWIND and FFWD? Especially for PLAY and STOP i think that this can only happen, when the CSurf doesn't get the corresponding MIDI-Messages. Maybe you can check with a MIDI-Monitor if the DM4800 sending MIDI events while the CSurf doesn't respond.
Ok, just used MIDI Ox, the issue came from the mixer. Switched the remote emulation mode on the DM4800 back to logic mode, seems to work now. Thanks for your help.
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Thank you Klinke for this great plugin. I'm using it with a Tascam US-2400. Had to remap some of the MIDI messages from it using MIDI-OX and some virtual MIDI cables. Works great now. Could post the translation maps if anyone is interested.
I'd be interested in the maps. BTW, which of the 2400's Mackie modes are you using, and what are the main advantages of Klinke's plugin in your view for 2400 users? I feel like I'm starting to haul my keister up a steep learning curve hill again, so any pointers would be appreciated.

I note that in the downloaded files is a keyboard map for use on a mackie controller. Do these things translate to keys of the 2400?

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Can someone explain what the basic purpose of this plugin is? I literally have no idea.

On another thread it was suggested this might help me set up my Behringer BCR2000 (not BCF), but if so, how so? What will it do that the Behringer won't do by itself?
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I'm also using this plugin with a BCR2000.

There are basically two ways you can use the BCR in Reaper.

Via Reaper's Midi learn feature or you assign it as a control surface, assigned in Preferences -> Control surfaces. (then the BCR is used as a Mackie control emulation).

The big advantage for me using the BCR as control surface in Mackie emu mode is that I get parameter feedback, ie. if I tweak a parameter in Reaper this gets written back to the BCR thus avoiding parameter jumps.

Reaper has already natively a plugin for doing so, Klinke's version is a "enhanced modification" (just my own words, hope this hits it) of it, giving some nice extra functions (for example a mapping editor).

I've written here in more detail how I the BCR together with this plugin:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110
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I seem to be up and running albeit I'm limping a bit from the display issues and strange hiccup at the start of a session.

Finally chipping away at the manual again to see what kind of functionality I can get out of the csurf.. I'm so impressed! Had a quick question, what happens after marker 8? Is there a way to continue to 9-16?
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Also, is there a way to make it so the db reading has precedence over the VU on the MCU display when adjusting the fader? Right now, when I adjust a fader and the session is playing back, it shows the VU activity over the db reading.
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Also, is there a way to make it so the db reading has precedence over the VU on the MCU display when adjusting the fader? Right now, when I adjust a fader and the session is playing back, it shows the VU activity over the db reading.
Strange behaviours you get. Never seen this in my units.

Maybe a faulty one?
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Strange behaviours you get. Never seen this in my units.

Maybe a faulty one?
You're saying that when you adjust your faders, the db takes precedence over the VU meters? Are you using the Klinke csurf?
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You're saying that when you adjust your faders, the db takes precedence over the VU meters? Are you using the Klinke csurf?
Yes, when I touch any fader the metering on that track disappears and the dB value is shown

Using latest stable version (the one in the stash).
Mackie MCU + Extender (not the Pro, mine is the older grey one without usb ports). Have you tried using MIDI ports instead of the USB? ......... who knows!

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Yes, when I touch any fader the metering on that track disappears and the dB value is shown

Using latest stable version (the one in the stash).
Mackie MCU + Extender (not the Pro, mine is the older grey one without usb ports). Have you tried using MIDI ports instead of the USB? ......... who knows!
Well shit.. another "feature"!

It's strange, when I move a fader(while session is playing), the VU disappears entirely, and the db reading flickers BARELY through, sometimes I can read it, other times I can't. Not very ideal for mixing.

I've been forced to just look at the monitor while adjusting faders. I'm getting used to it.. ehh.. but this is so ghetto!

You're on an original MCU, I wonder if some other MCU Pro users could chime in with their current experience.

PS - I've tried MIDI cables, 4 different PC computers, 2 different Mackie Pro boards, 4 different DAWs. It seems only Logic is running spotless. This is most likely an error on Mackie's part. Unless I got 2 identically flawed units some how... which IS a possibility, albeit, very slim..
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