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+ NINJAM: fix clipsort.log import
+ ReaEQ: option to increase band handle size
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+ Takes: improve behavior of next/previous take actions with multiple items selected (in both empty-take-selectable mode and not)
+ Takes: overhauled display vs selection of empty takes options -- display no longer affects functionality
# Takes: remove smart reconciliation mode, behavior is implied by empty take selection option
# note: shall we make "allow selecting empty takes" be off by default?

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# note: shall we make "allow selecting empty takes" be off by default?
If empty takes are able to exist by default, IMO they should be selectable. If you're recording a bunch of takes and playing with your vocal phrasing, it's entirely plausible that an item where takes 1-9 had words could be intentionally silent in take 10.
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If empty takes are able to exist by default, IMO they should be selectable. If you're recording a bunch of takes and playing with your vocal phrasing, it's entirely plausible that an item where takes 1-9 had words could be intentionally silent in take 10.
Hmm usually they'll be recorded as silence, though. The nice thing about having them not selectable is that for the parts where you didn't overdub, you get the previous take...
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Ah, I misread "empty". Never mind.
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As long as it's an option, either is fine with me as the default.
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Nice! Could you also add two mouse modifiers to ReaEQ: "double-click empty spectrum space" to add a new band and "alt-click a band" to remove it? If the first one minded frequency position and auto set appropriate filter type for the new band - it would be superb. But any implementation of the modifiers would be great. Thanks!
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On topic of ReaEQ... will you ever fix the incorrect phase plots?

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ReaEq - potentially dangerous behavior: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....93#post2045493

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@spk77, you're right, very important issue.
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# Takes: remove smart reconciliation mode, behavior is implied by empty take
Sorry just having a go at testing this. How do I now access the new behaviour?
Is it a preference or an action? Thanks
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If you have "select empty takes" enabled, you get smart reconcile behavior.
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Thanks - you mean "Allow selecting empty take lanes" ?

Hmmn. Just trying that. I have a few takes with empty parts in the middle.
I can't see any change in behaviour. At least nothing is broken for me!

update: I can see two new behaviours when more than one item is selected in a row when using the select next/previous take. Instead of rotating the next part it tends to use whole takes (either with or without the empty bits) This does indeed seem logical
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+ Takes: overhauled display vs selection of empty takes options -- display no longer affects functionality

How about removing the link between selecting items and takes completely by having a discreet mouse modifier for selecting takes (including across multitracked items). (Clicking to select items would then not also activate the take under the mouse)

For me this would open up click workflows when editing multitracked takes across tracks. I currently use a workaround selecting items with "show all takes in lanes" turned off and using the select next and previous take actions. So my workflow is still dictated by the display.
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discreet mouse modifier for selecting takes (including across multitracked items). (Clicking to select items would then not also activate the take under the mouse)
You can already do this with the existing mouse modifiers. I always select items with marquee select (Arrange view->Right drag) if I want to select items without selecting takes.

There's plenty of other options for setting this up as well. Explore the "Media Item->Left Click" modifiers and using an action of your choice.
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If you have "select empty takes" enabled, you get smart reconcile behavior.
Hm...does this mean when I have "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off, which I usually have, I can't benefit from the new smart behaviour?
Or is 'smart reconcile' irrelevant anyway when having "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off?
(I admit I still haven't fully grasped what it actually does.)
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Hm...does this mean when I have "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off, which I usually have, I can't benefit from the new smart behaviour?
Or is 'smart reconcile' irrelevant anyway when having "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off?
(I admit I still haven't fully grasped what it actually does.)

Try selecting more than one item in a row which has various lanes used and not used then run "select next take".
My understanding is: this version activates the same take in each item including empty take lane portions if that option is selected (otherwise it sticks with the previous take for just that bit.)
The current release literally chooses the next take for each item so if they started off being from more than one take source they end up being from more than one take source.
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You can already do this with the existing mouse modifiers. I always select items with marquee select (Arrange view->Right drag) if I want to select items without selecting takes.

There's plenty of other options for setting this up as well. Explore the "Media Item->Left Click" modifiers and using an action of your choice.
I'll have another look for an item select that ignores take activation when they're visible.
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Hm...does this mean when I have "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off, which I usually have, I can't benefit from the new smart behaviour?
Correct.

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Or is 'smart reconcile' irrelevant anyway when having "Allow selecting empty take lanes" off?
(I admit I still haven't fully grasped what it actually does.)
Also correct.

The "Smart reconcile" option doesn't allow you to have inactive takes in your selection. Here's a gif showing both:

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Got it, thanks for the helpful gif.
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This is how it looks on my system in 5.941 and dev1013 (apologies for full width images).
Note: all items are selected and then I'm running "switch items to next take" a few times round. The behaviour of 5.941 is different to dev1013 even with "allow selecting empty take lanes" turned off.

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There's plenty of other options for setting this up as well. Explore the "Media Item->Left Click" modifiers and using an action of your choice.
I've had a look and I can't find any actions to select an item by clicking that doesn't also activate a take if the mouse lands on it when clicked when takes are displayed.
"Select item under mouse curser" does just select the item if it's used as a key command, but if you assign it as a mouse modifier the independence between item selection and take activation is lost.
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This is how it looks on my system in 5.941 and dev1013 (apologies for full width images).
Note: all items are selected and then I'm running "switch items to next take" a few times round. The behaviour of 5.941 is different to dev1013 even with "allow selecting empty take lanes" turned off.
Yes, the behavior in dev1013 will be different for both "allow selecting empty take lanes" enabled, and disabled. If you have specific comments as to what change you like or dislike, it would probably be helpful to describe the behavior, and how you feel about it.
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I've had a look and I can't find any actions to select an item by clicking that doesn't also activate a take if the mouse lands on it when clicked when takes are displayed.
"Select item under mouse curser" does just select the item if it's used as a key command, but if you assign it as a mouse modifier the independence between item selection and take activation is lost.
Use right drag marquee to select items or item. Using left click is not ideal in this situation...

Especially since the left-click modifiers are somewhat broken (they all select, even if the action doesn't). It's up to Cockos if they wanna fix that or not.
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Use right drag marquee to select items or item. Using left click is not ideal in this situation...

Especially since the left-click modifiers are somewhat broken (they all select, even if the action doesn't). It's up to Cockos if they wanna fix that or not.
If justin wants, I can elaborate on this issue more. (I've reported it part of it before (https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=190555)
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A vote for fixing it! Coded a script yesterday (align selected takes to take under mouse cursor), where exactly this happened (all items were unselected), while executing the script.
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If justin wants, I can elaborate on this issue more. (I've reported it part of it before (https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=190555)
I replied in that thread
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Yes, the behavior in dev1013 will be different for both "allow selecting empty take lanes" enabled, and disabled. If you have specific comments as to what change you like or dislike, it would probably be helpful to describe the behavior, and how you feel about it.
I was just reflecting on post #19. I thought it needed clarifying that depending on the pattern of takes selected the behaviour would be different in this pre.

I'm in favour of the new way it works thank you.

I also vote for including selecting the item/take to be separately included in modifiable behaviour via mouse modifiers
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what does this Dev 1013 mean?
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what does this Dev 1013 mean?
From note on landoleet

Notes on versioning (the numbers here are for example purposes only):

1. 596: release version (though if it is here, it means it has likely not yet been released)

2. 597pre1, 597rc1: pre-release versions. The functionality of this version will usually
(though not always) end up in the next release.

3. 596+dev1009: development version. Includes functionality that will likely not end up in
the next release (and may not end up in any release, ever). The version number of these
builds includes the last release/pre-release that build was based on, and the four digit
number following +dev references the month and day the build was made.
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