v6.73+dev0114 - January 14 2023

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by benmiller

i still think the synced comp area should move with the item it's on when moving an item in a source lane. at least optionally

definitely only optionally though as both are very useful

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by ovnis

So, with your bug we have discoverd than it's possible to have no fixed lanes track without the fixed lanes area which is useless for these tracks!

And by recording from a fixed lanes track to another with fixed lanes and so on... you could continue comping to the infinity :P

[schwa]

Originally Posted by AZpercussion

The gif is too big, there is a short video:

OK, I see. You could click the bottom lane to make it the comp source, then shift+control+click the comp area to open it up, then align the new recording.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by schwa

OK, I see. You could click the bottom lane to make it the comp source, then shift+control+click the comp area to open it up, then align the new recording.

[FeedTheCat]

Originally Posted by sockmonkey72

# Media item lanes: remove option to record into (classic) takes while loop recording in fixed lane mode

Ouch! Please don't remove this. Maybe disable it only when comping is active?

It's really useful for people like me that are generally happy with the classic take system. Recording new/alternative takes over a bunch of split takes can get very messy very quickly. I use this to group my takes (when it's becoming too many of them, when days have passed between recordings, when trying out another idea).

Speaking of... The "razor edit solo" feature of +dev0114 was amazing. I really hope we can have that back in some shape or form.

It's a much better way of doing this: (especially if it is more than 2 lanes)

[ferropop]

Originally Posted by FeedTheCat

Ouch! Please don't remove this. Maybe disable it only when comping is active?

It's really useful for people like me that are generally happy with the classic take system. Recording new/alternative takes over a bunch of split takes can get very messy very quickly. I use this to group my takes (when it's becoming too many of them, when days have passed between recordings, when trying out another idea).

Speaking of... The "razor edit solo" feature of +dev0114 was amazing. I really hope we can have that back in some shape or form.

It's a much better way of doing this: (especially if it is more than 2 lanes)

The Razor Solo feature was amazing. A "non committed" way to hear an alternative, it was legit brilliant.

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[musicbynumbers]

Agree on both of these. Keep item take recording as an option in menus still but not default and temp solo was great too

Originally Posted by FeedTheCat

Ouch! Please don't remove this. Maybe disable it only when comping is active?

It's really useful for people like me that are generally happy with the classic take system. Recording new/alternative takes over a bunch of split takes can get very messy very quickly. I use this to group my takes (when it's becoming too many of them, when days have passed between recordings, when trying out another idea).

Speaking of... The "razor edit solo" feature of +dev0114 was amazing. I really hope we can have that back in some shape or form.

It's a much better way of doing this: (especially if it is more than 2 lanes)

[bolgwrad]

Originally Posted by Embass

I can't reproduce that one, but FWIW I am getting an intermittent redraw glitch which never happened before when resizing the TCP - which goes away if I switch out of Reaper and back again.

[IrishRover79]

I think you've got the lane numbering/naming right now.

I love how the default take numbers are editable but, if you don't edit them, they stay the same even when you add a new lane at the top to comp to.

Thank you!

[mabian]

Opening with this pre-version a project worked on with an earlier version of REAPER, I got a dialog with this text:

"There were 2 elements in the project that were not understood. If this project was created in a newer version of REAPER, this version may not preserve all of the settings of the project.

Project tokens not recognized:

POOLCOLOR".

Should I get worried?

- Mario

[schwa]

Originally Posted by mabian

POOLCOLOR

That was a never fully implemented element that was removed in this code branch, nothing to worry about.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Embass

screencaps

Punch list complete, all fixed for the next build, thank you!

[schwa]

Can we send you an edible arrangement or something?

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by Embass

Nice, can we have something similar as a feature?

"Create split point under mouse on comp area"?

[IrishRover79]

Hi, a few thoughts on recording into fixed lanes when you have already items on fixed lanes.

1. Recording additional take(s) under existing items creates a new lane for the first new take, a second new lane for the second new take, etc. This is great! Please don’t change this.

2. Recording into lanes elsewhere (no overlap) on the same track where there are no existing items. By default, this seems to put the first new take in the last existing lane. Why? I think it would be more logical for the first new take to go into a new lane by default. Having it in the same lane as the last recorded take elsewhere suggests there’s some connection between the first take in the new location and the last take in the old location but usually there won’t be. That said….

3. It would be really cool if we could choose exactly which lanes we want our new takes in the new location to go into. You’re giving us the ability to choose which lane to record into but this doesn’t seem to work with loop recording. It just keeps recording over the top of the first take. See GIF below. Perhaps we could have not only ‘record INTO lane’ but also ‘record FROM lane?’ This would allow us to choose the starting lane for any new set of takes in lanes. This would be useful for preserving the meaningfulness of the numbering/naming of lanes. So, if we have a lanes called ‘take 1,’ ‘take 2,’ etc, they will still refer to the same take in new location or the old one.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by IrishRover79

with loop recording. It just keeps recording over the top of the first take

As clarification, when loop recording with a recording lane set, all recording passes are separate media items, but all in the same lane. If it looks like later passes are writing over earlier passes, it's probably because you have Options / Offset overlapping items vertically disabled.

Having said that, it would probably be fine if loop recording with a recording lane set would put subsequent recording passes in subsequent lanes.

[IrishRover79]

Originally Posted by schwa

As clarification, when loop recording with a recording lane set, all recording passes are separate media items, but all in the same lane. If it looks like later passes are writing over earlier passes, it's probably because you have Options / Offset overlapping items vertically disabled.

Having said that, it would probably be fine if loop recording with a recording lane set would put subsequent recording passes in subsequent lanes.

Thanks, Schwa. Here's what happens when I enable that option. Lanes within lanes!! :-)

What I'm suggesting is a way to get the takes on separate fixed item lanes (new take 1 on the take 1 lane, new take 2 on the take 2 lane, etc)

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by schwa

Can we send you an edible arrangement or something?

no point.. He'd only find issues with it!

[ferropop]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

no point.. He'd only find issues with it!

Depending on your definition of edible, Embass might end up finding a rip in the space-time continuum

[BirdBird]

Toggling take volume on and off for items with comp areas crashes REAPER. (Take: Toggle take volume envelope, 40693, Windows 10)

Fades for items on comp lanes are very hard to access:


Hoping comp areas will also be affected by user edits in the future. (copy, paste, move, duplicate, regions etc.)

[benmiller]

Originally Posted by IrishRover79

Perhaps we could have not only ‘record INTO lane’ but also ‘record FROM lane?’ This would allow us to choose the starting lane for any new set of takes in lanes.

Yes something like this or record in playing lane if no overlapping item.

say you record 3 takes for the 1st verse, you get 3 lanes. then you jump to verse 2, there are no takes there yet, then you want to start recording in lane 1 again, and next passes should go in the next lanes.

currently in this scenario, per default your 1st take for verse 2 ends up on lane 3 (which you have maybe named take 3 ...). Selecting lane 1 as playing lane to start recording in there would seem like a logical way to to me. like this if you don't select lane 1 as playing lane, lane 3 is still selected and you get the current behaviour, or you can create a new lane and select it as playing lane if that's what you want to do.

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by benmiller

Yes something like this or record in playing lane if no overlapping item.

say you record 3 takes for the 1st verse, you get 3 lanes. then you jump to verse 2, there are no takes there yet, then you want to start recording in lane 1 again, and next passes should go in the next lanes.

So true!

Originally Posted by benmiller

currently in this scenario, per default your 1st take for verse 2 ends up on lane 3 (which you have maybe named take 3 ...). Selecting lane 1 as playing lane to start recording in there would seem like a logical way to to me. like this if you don't select lane 1 as playing lane, lane 3 is still selected and you get the current behaviour, or you can create a new lane and select it as playing lane if that's what you want to do.

It can be confused between solo lane and playing lane, I guess.
Shouldn't the comp lane be a playing lane by default?

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by schwa

OK, I see. You could click the bottom lane to make it the comp source, then shift+control+click the comp area to open it up, then align the new recording.

Ah, yeah, thanks!
But I still have to manually set the comp lane to solo.

And have you seen the second video which shows as it works with take system?
Isn't it more compact and less mouse clicks way?

Does my suggestion contradict the current lane system? As I see here people don't use recording in spiecific lane. So this part of lanes system can be improved without disturbing all these new stuff many people like so much.
I see that this new stuff is powerfull, but not so flexible as it can be and requires more actions from user.

[ferropop]

What's the plan when recording new takes that overlap an existing comp?



Right now it sets the new take as the audible lane (the entire thing).


I would imagine it should work like this :

1. if there's no Time Selection, just record the takes to new lanes - leave everything as-is with the comp - don't change audible lane!

2. if there IS a Time Selection, auto-promote just the time selection portion of the take to the comp. (basically Time Selection Auto-Punch) - don't change audible lane!


In neither case should it switch the currently audible (comp) lane, which is the current behaviour.

[ferropop]

^^^ also current behaviour if there's a Time Selection is to only record within the Time Selection

When in Fixed Lanes, it'd be more useful (and make more sense) to :


1. If there's a Time Selection, still record the entire pass to a new lane
2. Promote the Time Selection area

[mlprod]

Originally Posted by ferropop

^^^ also current behaviour if there's a Time Selection is to only record within the Time Selection

When in Fixed Lanes, it'd be more useful (and make more sense) to :


1. If there's a Time Selection, still record the entire pass to a new lane
2. Promote the Time Selection area

Why?

[Jae.Thomas]

Originally Posted by schwa

You can also shift+control+right drag in a source lane.

sweet! Makes sense and that's what I was looking for, thank you.

[FeedTheCat]

Originally Posted by ferropop

1. if there's no Time Selection, just record the takes to new lanes - leave everything as-is with the comp - don't change audible lane!

Seems weird to me, why would you not want the last recorded item to always get promoted?



Also imagine how it will look like when the comp is collapsed, you record and nothing happens?

That said, since reaper now has a "mode", we could theoretically have two distinct behaviors now. One with and one without comping enabled. So the world is our oyster I guess

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by ferropop

^^^ also current behaviour if there's a Time Selection is to only record within the Time Selection

When in Fixed Lanes, it'd be more useful (and make more sense) to :


1. If there's a Time Selection, still record the entire pass to a new lane
2. Promote the Time Selection area

Excellent! Just the core of my suggestion in a couple words.

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by FeedTheCat

Seems weird to me, why would you not want the last recorded item to always get promoted?

Your gif describes well the audition problem A lot of mouse clicks!
And you forgot about time selection.

We should remember that we have three record modes and three options for overlapping recorded items.
They help a lot for comping and they should work well and effective with lanes system.