Announcing ReaLearn: Sophisticated MIDI/MCU/OSC learn for REAPER

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hello,
I have ReaLearn 2 up and running. I'm very new to all this. I can see how to 'learn a target' by playing with the virtual button/knob. But I can't see how I can target "Load FX snapshot". I can't see anything in the User Guide to help, or anywhere else.
Please advise. Thanks.

Hi Bernard, you open the ReaLearn window, add a mapping via "Add one", press "Edit", see the target section at the right side of the window and select "Load FX snapshot (experimental)": https://i.imgur.com/ZmpmBQc.png

Then chose your track and your desired FX that you want to take a snapshot for, press "Take!" and that's it.

[foxAsteria]

So with OSC support is it possible to get names and values from Reaper feedback? Is this a use case for the dynamic feature?

I'd like to reuse the same knobs for different plugins and have the different parameter names show up.

I've already got that working through a combination of native OSC and MIDI over TouchOSC Bridge. If I can rather do it all through ReaLearn, I'd certainly prefer that...

[foxAsteria]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Hint: You 2 are talking about 2 completely different things

Man I told you I'm thick with this networking stuff. This is one thing I thought I understood, so please explain if you would.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by earlabs

I will record my movements with OBS. stay tuned.

Here you are
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fqhv8ttdd2...12-33.mkv?dl=0

I think it's self explanatory.
It looses its settings again and again

I watched your video. No, it doesn't lose its settings. You need to understand how "By ID" works. "By ID" means, you refer to a track by its unique ID. If you create a track in REAPER, it gets a random, unique ID. It's a stable track identifier that stays even if you move that track to another position or if you have two tracks of the same name. In your video, you create a new track X (= new ID) and create a ReaLearn VST instrument preset that uses this track "By ID". Then you close that project, create a new project, add a new track Y (= another new ID) and load that preset. ReaLearn tries to find that track X but of course it won't find it!

Simply use "By name" or "By position", then you can use a preset across projects. I know you don't like the user guide but I highly recommend to check it anyway, it's explained there.

Originally Posted by foxAsteria

So with OSC support is it possible to get names and values from Reaper feedback?

No.

Originally Posted by foxAsteria

Is this a use case for the dynamic feature?

No.

Originally Posted by foxAsteria

I'd like to reuse the same knobs for different plugins and have the different parameter names show up.

Use the "Projection" feature.

I've already got that working through a combination of native OSC and MIDI over TouchOSC Bridge. If I can rather do it all through ReaLearn, I'd certainly prefer that...

In future it will probably be possible.

Originally Posted by foxAsteria

Man I told you I'm thick with this networking stuff. This is one thing I thought I understood, so please explain if you would.

What you were saying was not wrong (I think), I was just pointing out that earlabs's issue had nothing to do with networking or OSC at all.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by earlabs

Further examination.
I tried all kinds of settings/presets on the x-touch 1. What nags me the most is that faderbank up/down and channel up/down won't come to life. I can't get them to work. They don't react. And there are other buttons that seem to have a dedicated function which you cannot get to work. When you take an action and try to add a button to that function then it will not react when I click the button. I don't know how they do that. I guess you do.

Only MC user preset offers the most flexibility is MC user. Here it seems that all buttons are open to program except for the upper row mute/solo/rec which are completely dead. The other buttons are programmable but feedback (like lighten the led of the button) is not possible.
I fiddled some time with programming the play/pause button and it either didn't light up (but transport worked) or it stopped immediately after touching the button.

So now I;m back to MC reaper. The setting I have been using since a year which offers the best functionality (but not the goddamn fader/channel buttons and som of the transport options are effed up too.

Signing off for now!

I got the X-Touch One 15 minutes ago ...

1. Fired it up (by default it starts in MC mode = Mackie Control mode) and connected it to my PC
2. Enabled in for MIDI input and output in the REAPER preferences
3. Set it as "Control input" and "Feedback output" in ReaLearn
4. Set "Mackie Control" as controller preset in the "Controller mappings" compartment (available on ReaPack)
5. Learned some mappings in the main mappings compartment.

Result: Works instantly.

- Fader with 10-bit resolution including feedback (motorization)
- Encoder
- Jog wheel
- All buttons including LED feedback (EXCEPT the Master button which seems to be not programmable in MC mode)

I'll try to fiddle with the other modes and see which one is the best fit for ReaLearn. But MC mode is already quite comprehensive.

[earlabs]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

I got the X-Touch One 15 minutes ago ...

1. Fired it up (by default it starts in MC mode = Mackie Control mode) and connected it to my PC
2. Enabled in for MIDI input and output in the REAPER preferences
3. Set it as "Control input" and "Feedback output" in ReaLearn
4. Set "Mackie Control" as controller preset in the "Controller mappings" compartment (available on ReaPack)
5. Learned some mappings in the main mappings compartment.

Result: Works instantly.

- Fader with 10-bit resolution including feedback (motorization)
- Encoder
- Jog wheel
- All buttons including LED feedback (EXCEPT the Master button which seems to be not programmable in MC mode)

I'll try to fiddle with the other modes and see which one is the best fit for ReaLearn. But MC mode is already quite comprehensive.

Not here....

MC mode = MC Std?
What firmware are you using? I guess it's 1.04?

[earlabs]

I have been testing the controller mappings. Preset save is still not keeping the settings. I wonder if I should completely uninstall all the lbx stuff. stripper and smartknobs... EDIT: no, uninstalled the scripts, rebooted. no dice.

Noticed that character of the controller setting is not present on default. When I click the 14bit option and then click it again, the character setting is present. But you probably noticed that already?

[earlabs]

For the time being, I'm letting this go. Sorry. Too frustrated and need to go on with my musical work.

I'll check later in the year. Good luck with your development and thanks for all your time and energy.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Hi Bernard, you open the ReaLearn window, add a mapping via "Add one", press "Edit", see the target section at the right side of the window and select "Load FX snapshot (experimental)": https://i.imgur.com/ZmpmBQc.png

Then chose your track and your desired FX that you want to take a snapshot for, press "Take!" and that's it.

Hi Benjamin,
I have got snapshots working and now will investigate more. I feel like a six-year-old boy with his first train set! Now another basic question: On my Akai Key25 - With a snapshot on pad one and one on pad two... how can I operate them without the APC triggering a note - note as in 'an audible musical noise', that I don't want to hear? So, I see I can do this by not having the APC as a a midi-input on the track, but I suspect there is a more sophisticated and useful way of knowing how to do this.
Many thanks. Bernard.

[bernardg]

Hi Benjamin,
My instinct tells me to put ReaLearn plugin on each track I want to use it on, and save that track as a preset. In the instructional project you sent me, you had Realearn on a separate track. Does it matter either way?
Thanks. Bernard.

[bernardg]

(Using AKAI APC Key 25)
I have the CLA Unplugged VST open. I can set the faders easily enough with ReaLearn. It also has above each fader a button that goes from 'off' to 'sub', 'lower' and finally, 'upper'. It's a cycle that goes one way, Off, 1,2,3. If you press the button after 3, it takes you back to Off and then you go up again.
See attached photo.
I can see how in the Realearn Edit box I can see how I can choose 'incremental buttons' to go through the cycle up to 3. I can choose 'Rotate' to keep going round the cycle..But then, it goes only as far as step 2, 'lower', before returning to 'off'. I don't know why. Curiously, if I tick the 'reverse' box, it goes through all four stages fine. So for now, I'm going in reverse, which isn't the work flow I'd choose. Can anyone help? Thanks.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by earlabs

Not here....

MC mode = MC Std?
What firmware are you using? I guess it's 1.04?

Yes, MC Standard. Firmware 1.04.

Originally Posted by earlabs

I have been testing the controller mappings. Preset save is still not keeping the settings. I wonder if I should completely uninstall all the lbx stuff. stripper and smartknobs... EDIT: no, uninstalled the scripts, rebooted. no dice.

You must have somehow missed my message about the meaning of "By ID". It explains the phenomena in your video and why what you observe is not ReaLearn forgetting settings - on the contrary, it'supposed to work like this.

Originally Posted by earlabs

Noticed that character of the controller setting is not present on default. When I click the 14bit option and then click it again, the character setting is present. But you probably noticed that already?

That's by design. It doesn't make sense for controllers to let relative encoders or buttons emit 14-bit CC messages. It should always be a range element (fader, knob etc.).

Originally Posted by earlabs

For the time being, I'm letting this go. Sorry. Too frustrated and need to go on with my musical work.

I'll check later in the year. Good luck with your development and thanks for all your time and energy.

Well, that sounds a bit like a rant, but thank you. Hope you will have more luck with your setup another time.

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Benjamin,
I have got snapshots working and now will investigate more. I feel like a six-year-old boy with his first train set! Now another basic question: On my Akai Key25 - With a snapshot on pad one and one on pad two... how can I operate them without the APC triggering a note - note as in 'an audible musical noise', that I don't want to hear? So, I see I can do this by not having the APC as a a midi-input on the track, but I suspect there is a more sophisticated and useful way of knowing how to do this.
Many thanks. Bernard.

The APC Key 25 transmits note on/off messages for the normal keyboard on MIDI channel 2. The pads and knobs transmit on channel 1. With that knowledge, you can do this:

1. Set the MIDI input of your instrument track to "APC Key => Channel 2".
2. In the same dropdown menu, choose "Map input to channel => Channel 1" (because many VST instruments expect incoming note messages on channel 1).

There's also another way, see below ...

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Benjamin,
My instinct tells me to put ReaLearn plugin on each track I want to use it on, and save that track as a preset. In the instructional project you sent me, you had Realearn on a separate track. Does it matter either way?
Thanks. Bernard.

This is mostly a matter of personal preference. Sure, you can put it on each track, e.g. above the VST instrument that you want to control if that makes you feel good (but it can be anywhere really).

This gives you another solution to your problem with audible notes that you don't want to hear. When you do the following, each pad that you use within ReaLearn will *automatically* be blocked and NOT reach the VST instrument:

1. Add ReaLearn *above* (this time really) your VST instrument.
2. Choose "<FX input>" as control input.
3. Choose "APC Key 25" as feedback output.
4. Make sure that "Let through: Matched events" is UNTICKED (this is the default).

This is an elegant solution in lots of cases.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

(Using AKAI APC Key 25)
I have the CLA Unplugged VST open. I can set the faders easily enough with ReaLearn. It also has above each fader a button that goes from 'off' to 'sub', 'lower' and finally, 'upper'. It's a cycle that goes one way, Off, 1,2,3. If you press the button after 3, it takes you back to Off and then you go up again.
See attached photo.
I can see how in the Realearn Edit box I can see how I can choose 'incremental buttons' to go through the cycle up to 3. But then it gets stuck. It won't go back to the 'Off' position. Is this possible? (I can see a clunky solution, to have another mapping where I use the 'reverse' box, but I'd love to do this all with one button, not two.) Many thanks.

Yes. Tick the "Rotate" checkbox.

[bernardg]

Hi Benjamin,
I too was having major problems with Track Presets.
They now appear to be solved.
I changed settings from 'track ID' to 'track name' and also the 'track selected' that you recommended to another user.
Many thanks.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Yes. Tick the "Rotate" checkbox.

Thanks for this. However, it doesn't solve the problem that if 'reverse' is not ticked.. the rotate won't take me to the maximum value (3 in this case), it will only take me to 2, before going back to zero. 0,1,2,0,1,2,0,1,2,etc

Yet with reverse ticked, it will happily go 3,2,1,0,3,2,1,0, etc

Curious.

[earlabs]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Yes, MC Standard. Firmware 1.04.



You must have somehow missed my message about the meaning of "By ID". It explains the phenomena in your video and why what you observe is not ReaLearn forgetting settings - on the contrary, it'supposed to work like this.



That's by design. It doesn't make sense for controllers to let relative encoders or buttons emit 14-bit CC messages. It should always be a range element (fader, knob etc.).



Well, that sounds a bit like a rant, but thank you. Hope you will have more luck with your setup another time.

well it's not really meant as a rant, but I'm nackered atm. And feeling frustrated that the x touch one worked like a charm with your setup. SOmehow it seems like there is something wrong in my setup.
BTW 1.04 is not the latest firmware. That's 1.07. There are several warnings NOT to upgrade to this version but I read those áfter I upgraded.

[bernardg]

Hi Benjamin, I'm trying to work out how to have Realearn on a track control more than one plug in. So I tried looking for something like 'last FX touched' and didn't find anything. Then I tried to save a preset for one plug in and another preset for the second plug in. So it's all fine when the first preset is loaded - the knobs don't activate the second plug in - good. However, when I try to load the second preset, the knob in question activates the second plugin - good - but also keeps activating the first plug in.
The first preset, when I've tried deleting mappings from it, they keep working. Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks.
Bernard.
PS I guess a third approach to my desire for same knobs to control different plugins on same track would be to have an instance of Realearn for each plug-in and only have one enabled at any one time. I'm guessing you have a recommended approach to the solution I'm seeking.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Thanks for this. However, it doesn't solve the problem that if 'reverse' is not ticked.. the rotate won't take me to the maximum value (3 in this case), it will only take me to 2, before going back to zero. 0,1,2,0,1,2,0,1,2,etc

Yet with reverse ticked, it will happily go 3,2,1,0,3,2,1,0, etc

Curious.

Which version do you use? There are prerelease versions available (2.8.0-pre3 at the moment, intended for public testing, attainable via right mouse click on ReaPack package => Versions) which contain a bugfix for a very similar issue and I think it will solve yours, too. Let me know if it does. But attention: Usually, once you save a preset with a newer version of ReaLearn, you can't safely use it with older ReaLearn versions anymore. If you want to be a bit more on the safe side, wait for the final 2.8.0 release (maybe one more week).

Originally Posted by earlabs

well it's not really meant as a rant, but I'm nackered atm. And feeling frustrated that the x touch one worked like a charm with your setup. SOmehow it seems like there is something wrong in my setup.
BTW 1.04 is not the latest firmware. That's 1.07. There are several warnings NOT to upgrade to this version but I read those áfter I upgraded.

Ah, good to know. Yes, maybe something is interfering. Would be interesting if it works with a clean portable REAPER installation.

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Benjamin, I'm trying to work out how to have Realearn on a track control more than one plug in. So I tried looking for something like 'last FX touched' and didn't find anything.

Interesting, "Last touched" could be a new FX selector. I added an FR for the sake of completeness, maybe I'll implement it one day if there's demand.

Originally Posted by bernardg

Then I tried to save a preset for one plug in and another preset for the second plug in. So it's all fine when the first preset is loaded - the knobs don't activate the second plug in - good. However, when I try to load the second preset, the knob in question activates the second plugin - good - but also keeps activating the first plug in.
The first preset, when I've tried deleting mappings from it, they keep working. Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks.
Bernard.
PS I guess a third approach to my desire for same knobs to control different plugins on same track would be to have an instance of Realearn for each plug-in and only have one enabled at any one time. I'm guessing you have a recommended approach to the solution I'm seeking.

There are multiple ways, yes. I don't understand yet how you want to decide which is going to be the plug-in that you want to control. By switching between the plug-ins manually, pressing a button? Or always target the plug-in which is focused?

[helgoboss]

Released ReaLearn 2.8.0-pre4 (ReaPack installation instructions)

Changes:
- #186 Added FX selector <This> for targeting the own ReaLearn instance (good for using conditional activation and <Dynamic> in reusable presets)
- #121 Added copy/paste of mappings or even just sources/modes/targets (also across compartments and instances)
- #157 Added copy/paste of the complete filtered mapping list (e.g. to copy/paste whole compartments, groups or search results)
- #244 Added possibility to use names for virtual control elements instead of numbers
- #246 Added quick start section at the top of the user guide
- #236 Added FAQ section to the user guide
- #247 Fixed possible "unwrap" error with certain mapping tuning settings, e.g. jump and step size
- Fixed possible "borrow" error when using FX parameter target with own ReaLearn instance

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

There are multiple ways, yes. I don't understand yet how you want to decide which is going to be the plug-in that you want to control. By switching between the plug-ins manually, pressing a button? Or always target the plug-in which is focused?

Ah, Now that I realise what the FX Focused box does my problems in this respect have been solved. So I have an instance of ReaLearn for each VST in the track, and make sure I tick the FX focus box. Progress. Many thanks.

[nofish]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Released ReaLearn 2.8.0-pre4

Nice additions I can probably make good use of (copy/paste, names for virtual control elements), thanks.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Ah, Now that I realise what the FX Focused box does my problems in this respect have been solved. So I have an instance of ReaLearn for each VST in the track, and make sure I tick the FX focus box. Progress. Many thanks.

Hi Ben, I'm getting a little frustrated. This morning I spent a few hours sorting out presets on tracks with two plugins and two instances of ReaLearn. Everything was working perfectly. For each mapping I chose, 'track selected' and 'by name' and FX Focus box ticked.
This afternoon I restarted my laptop and none of them work. There is no response at all. Can you advise?
It's not just that if I load a preset it's not working. The track in my project that was already set up has the problem too.
Thanks, Bernard.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Ben, I'm getting a little frustrated. This morning I spent a few hours sorting out presets on tracks with two plugins and two instances of ReaLearn. Everything was working perfectly. For each mapping I chose, 'track selected' and 'by name' and FX Focus box ticked.
This afternoon I restarted my laptop and none of them work. There is no response at all. Can you advise?
It's not just that if I load a preset it's not working. The track in my project that was already set up has the problem too.
Thanks, Bernard.

Going to need a test project to see what's going on.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Going to need a test project to see what's going on.

Yes, but since I posted (typical), it's been working well. I think it may still be something to do with some of my settings being on 'this' and ID etc. If it's still a problem tomorrow maybe i can send you the relevant project to test. Thank you.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Yes, but since I posted (typical), it's been working well. I think it may still be something to do with some of my settings being on 'this' and ID etc. If it's still a problem tomorrow maybe i can send you the relevant project to test. Thank you.

You could send it anyway and I can have a look if your settings make sense. ReaLearn doesn't currently save you from shooting yourself in the foot by using weird settings.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

You could send it anyway and I can have a look if your settings make sense. ReaLearn doesn't currently save you from shooting yourself in the foot by using weird settings.

Hi Ben, so in the rpp attached: Two plug ins, Effect Rack (Soundtoys) and CLA Unplugged (Waves). When using the Akai key25... the Effect Rack works fine. The CLA, I have to 'reload' the User preset everytime to get it working. I do this by simply loading a different preset, and then loading the 'CLA UNPLUGGED stereo' preset.

You will see that I did not use Controller Mappings for the Effect Rack, but that I did for the CLA. I don't know if that makes any difference.

[bernardg]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

You could send it anyway and I can have a look if your settings make sense. ReaLearn doesn't currently save you from shooting yourself in the foot by using weird settings.

Hi Ben, this is the second one, very strange. The track here has two plugins, Effect Rack (soundtoys) - again working fine, and Arturia's Mini V - almost working fine. The User preset for the latter in ReaLearn is MINI AAA However, the K4 knob on the Arturia will (not always!) activate not one, but two knobs on the Mini V plugin. It activates the one it's supposed to, and also the one directly below it (which has a similar name in the plugin). Curiously, it will never do this if I deactivate the instance of Realearn linking to the other plug in.
(It was behaving this way this morning, and now it's been behaving fine. So I delete the track, reload the track preset with this content and the problem is back. )
Also, it was more likely to misbehave if it was docked rather than floating.

One other question: How do you delete the User presets, as opposed to the Controller Mapping presets?
Thank you so much for your patience and help.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Ben, this is the second one, very strange. The track here has two plugins, Effect Rack (soundtoys) - again working fine, and Arturia's Mini V - almost working fine. The User preset for the latter in ReaLearn is MINI AAA However, the K4 knob on the Arturia will (not always!) activate not one, but two knobs on the Mini V plugin. It activates the one it's supposed to, and also the one directly below it (which has a similar name in the plugin). Curiously, it will never do this if I deactivate the instance of Realearn linking to the other plug in.
(It was behaving this way this morning, and now it's been behaving fine. So I delete the track, reload the track preset with this content and the problem is back. )
Also, it was more likely to misbehave if it was docked rather than floating.

I can't help you with the Mini V plug-in specifically because I don't have it. However, I think what you are observing is a result of setup issues:

1. You have 2 ReaLearn instances on 1 track that use exactly the same "Control input" and "Feedback output". This is possible but it makes everything more difficult to see through and reason about. Why would you do that? Usually one would do that only if the controllers are different or if one of them uses "Auto-load preset" or if they are on different tracks and use "<FX input>".
2. The "Controller mappings" in the first ReaLearn instance is a *modified* "APC Key 25" preset that not just contains virtual targets but also some real ones that you added on your own. Your "Main mappings" are completely empty. That's not the right way. Controller mappings are intended to model your controller 1:1 and in most cases they should only have virtual targets. Many users will not even touch them but just load an existing preset (e.g. APC Key 25) and I would suggest you do the same (unless you have really specific requirements and know what you are doing).
3. Some controller mappings in the first ReaLearn instance have duplicate sources (e.g. CB 1/1 and SLB 1). This might explain your problem.
4. In the 2nd ReaLearn instance, why do you use Track "<Selected>"? You only have one track.

So I suggest: Start again, clean. One instance only. Don't modify controller mappings, just use the vanilla "APC Key 25" preset. Add only the mappings that you need and think *exactly* what track/FX selectors ("By ID", "By position", "<Selected"> etc.) are suitable for your case. Their meaning is explained in the user guide.

Using ReaLearn needs precision.

Originally Posted by bernardg

One other question: How do you delete the User presets, as opposed to the Controller Mapping presets?
Thank you so much for your patience and help.

What are "user presets"? ReaLearn only has "Controller mapping" presets and "Main mapping" presets, nothing else. Both can be deleted by pressing "Delete".

Originally Posted by bernardg

Hi Ben, so in the rpp attached: Two plug ins, Effect Rack (Soundtoys) and CLA Unplugged (Waves). When using the Akai key25... the Effect Rack works fine. The CLA, I have to 'reload' the User preset everytime to get it working. I do this by simply loading a different preset, and then loading the 'CLA UNPLUGGED stereo' preset.

You will see that I did not use Controller Mappings for the Effect Rack, but that I did for the CLA. I don't know if that makes any difference.

Same issues as with the other project.

[audiohome]

Hi there,

First of all congratulation on making ReaLearn. It is amazing. Really, well done.

I am trying to find out how I can use the auto-load preset (depending on focused FX) in combination with another preset that has Conditional activation of groups.

So when no FX is focused then a preset of my choice is enabled that, for example, controls the sends of selected channel + other stuff depending on Conditional activation of groups.

Thank you very much

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by audiohome

Hi there,

First of all congratulation on making ReaLearn. It is amazing. Really, well done.

I am trying to find out how I can use the auto-load preset (depending on focused FX) in combination with another preset that has Conditional activation of groups.

So when no FX is focused then a preset of my choice is enabled that, for example, controls the sends of selected channel + other stuff depending on Conditional activation of groups.

Thank you very much

So you have one controller that you want to use for controlling the focused FX IF there is one in focus. And if there's none in focus you want to essentially "fall back" to some normal mappings? If yes, then the bad news is that it's not yet possible. The good news is that it will come soon. I'm currently discussing with a user what's the best way to implement it (https://github.com/helgoboss/realearn/issues/227). Most likely it will involve using 2 instances. Your comment actually throws another idea into the mix: Activating a particular preset whenever no FX is focused (but I think that's a bit inflexible compared to the multi-instance solution).

[audiohome]

Hi there,

I tried to follow the conversation on github as good as I could. Unfortunately I am new to ReaLearn and also don't know what is easy or difficult when codding, but I will try to add my 2 cents. Please forgive me if it does not make any sense.

My understanding of the situation is that the problem comes only when the "focused FX" is selected, then you can just be in this mode. (only work with selected plugin). If you can select another preset by defocusing the window (maybe also with a control parameter) then you can do whatever you want with the "defocused preset", using the conditional activation of groups.

I would assume that is the easiest way to do it and it covers all needs. I hope I am not talking rubbish.

Thank you again for an amazing addition to Reaper. It has really changed my future plans for my studio and my workflow.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by audiohome

My understanding of the situation is that the problem comes only when the "focused FX" is selected, then you can just be in this mode. (only work with selected plugin). If you can select another preset by defocusing the window (maybe also with a control parameter) then you can do whatever you want with the "defocused preset", using the conditional activation of groups.

I would assume that is the easiest way to do it and it covers all needs. I hope I am not talking rubbish.

The question is, how do you decide *which* is the "defocused preset"? "Auto-load preset: Depending on focused FX" works by linking VST plug-ins to presets - globally! That means whatever project you are in, you will always have the same links.Makes sense. But in my opinion it wouldn't make sense for a "defocused preset". Surely you don't want the same "defocused preset" in each project.

Originally Posted by audiohome

Thank you again for an amazing addition to Reaper. It has really changed my future plans for my studio and my workflow.

Happy to hear that

[audiohome]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

But in my opinion it wouldn't make sense for a "defocused preset". Surely you don't want the same "defocused preset" in each project.

Many people would, because they have standard mappings like send levels etc. But of course there has to be a way to add a new preset. But that is the same now, you add presets, some you have as default for all projects and some you add them for a specific project and change them manually.

Maybe in the same sense that you link the preset to the VST you can link a preset to defocus. So when no window is focused it takes you to the defocus presets and one of them can be the default. In this mode you can manualy select other defocus presets like you do now. When an FX window opens again then it takes you automatically to the linked preset.

Maybe a way to control presets with parameters also would help? So you open an fx but if you want to go to sends you press a button and then press it again to return to focused window.

From the other hand if there are many instances of ReaLearn, one for focused FXs, one for the default mappings of all projects (sends etc) and one for new mappings of the specific project. That could work just fine I am sure.

I hope I am making sense and adding something useful.

[oldmanstan]

I think I had issues with ReaLearn last year...

Just wanted to pop in and say everything works brilliantly now! The hard work really shows. Very very very cool.

Loose note: I was noodling with the Projection / Companion (could be a real workflow changer). The server & everything seemed to boot and host properly - but wouldn't go past a screen which read "Please select a controller in ReaLearn".

Unsure what the means, as I'd been playing with a controller in ReaLearn. (unless "select a controller" refers to a more specific bit of UI I'm not seeing)

Thanks for everything!

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by audiohome

Many people would, because they have standard mappings like send levels etc. But of course there has to be a way to add a new preset. But that is the same now, you add presets, some you have as default for all projects and some you add them for a specific project and change them manually.

Maybe in the same sense that you link the preset to the VST you can link a preset to defocus. So when no window is focused it takes you to the defocus presets and one of them can be the default.

Mmh, this is exactly where I see the problem. You can only have at a maximum one preset linked to a particular plug-in. Doing it the same way with defocus (= "no plug-in"), you would get at a maximum one preset linked to "defocus". This wouldn't be enough. Even if many users are satisfied with one global defocus preset, many others probably will not (I wouldn't for sure).

Originally Posted by audiohome

In this mode you can manualy select other defocus presets like you do now. When an FX window opens again then it takes you automatically to the linked preset.

As long as you are in "Auto-load preset" mode, ReaLearn takes full control. It won't let you manually select other presets.

Originally Posted by audiohome

Maybe a way to control presets with parameters also would help? So you open an fx but if you want to go to sends you press a button and then press it again to return to focused window.

This is also subject of an ongoing discussion on GitHub (#109). If I just make some minor improvements to multi-instance usage, this will work. So I think this will be the first thing I will implement before adding other potentially more convenient ways.

Originally Posted by audiohome

I hope I am making sense and adding something useful.

Sure! Good to have a fruitful brainstorming. Let's discuss things like that on GitHub though in the specific issues.

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by oldmanstan

I think I had issues with ReaLearn last year...

Just wanted to pop in and say everything works brilliantly now! The hard work really shows. Very very very cool.

Loose note: I was noodling with the Projection / Companion (could be a real workflow changer). The server & everything seemed to boot and host properly - but wouldn't go past a screen which read "Please select a controller in ReaLearn".

Unsure what the means, as I'd been playing with a controller in ReaLearn. (unless "select a controller" refers to a more specific bit of UI I'm not seeing)

Thanks for everything!

Cool! You need to navigate to the "Controller mappings" compartment in ReaLearn and select a controller preset (I think it's even written there in the app . If you don't have one, download one from ReaPack (if it has one for your controller) or craft one on your own. The user guide mentions how in section "Controller mappings".

[grandfougue]

hello when I launch actions from my controller thing in addition to the action to assign to my button it passes trus bizard 1 the actions are slow and make me a kind of zoom on the area and on the tracks. How to fix this problem?

[helgoboss]

Originally Posted by grandfougue

hello when I launch actions from my controller thing in addition to the action to assign to my button it passes trus bizard 1 the actions are slow and make me a kind of zoom on the area and on the tracks. How to fix this problem?

Sorry, I don't understand this. Please describe more in detail or make a little video to show what's the actual issue.

[bernardg]

Hi Ben,
Following your previous advice, I now have set up something which seems to be stable to get on a track, one ReaLearn controlling two plugins.
So I have all the Akai settings in place.
I map the knobs on the Akai to first plugin, in each mapping I'm using the FX Parameter by 'name' and 'FX focus' ticked.
Each individual knob I 'duplicate' and then learn target to the second plugin, again FX by name and FX focus' ticked.
Seems good so far and I've then saved as an FX Chain.
Fingers crossed.
Let me know if there's any pitfalls you see.
Thanks again for all your patience and hard work on this.
Bernard

[grandfougue]

Originally Posted by helgoboss

Sorry, I don't understand this. Please describe more in detail or make a little video to show what's the actual issue.

when i thumb up the play button on my controller which is assigned to the transport play action for example the plugins floating that close automatically and my arrangement view moves. Ditto for other recording actions ...