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But how do you run apps that don’t exist in linux? Most likely, you’ll have to use WINE + yabridge. For example, if you wanted to use Native Instruments’ Kontakt? I’ve never wanted and hated a program so much in my life! LOL . I want it because of the hundreds of gigs of multisampled instruments of anything you can imagine. I hate it because the format is so locked down that you can’t convert your libraries to a different format! It alone probably stands as the only program I truly wish was available on linux with serial code license registration and an open format. The closest thing right now is LinuxSampler or possibly Sfizz, along with SFZ files. It works, of course, but Linux deserves so much better. Thank goodness for WINE and yabridge! |
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11-28-2021, 07:56 PM | #43 | |
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I disagree. Good engineers don't design to accommodate every use case. They put guardrails around their solution to prevent "misuse". A bridge could be 250 ft. wide just in case it ever needs to support a 747... but let's not. I've always called it the "delicate unique snowflake syndrome". Somehow the workflows and tools that have been and continue to be used in an industry are somehow insufficient for one person or company. Will being able to tweak your environment to within an inch of its life somehow move you towards greater productivity or higher quality? Never did for me. As options grew, my productivity declined. The piece of gear on which I finished the most pieces was an Akai DPS12. Edit: My good old buddy. Picture it with big old SCSI drive and massive plug attached. https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/akai-dps12 Last edited by MiddleC; 11-28-2021 at 08:04 PM. |
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11-28-2021, 08:36 PM | #44 | |
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I'm not saying that's valueless. I've spent many enjoyable hours that way. It's kind of like being a completist in something like World of Warcraft. Ultimately it's worthless, but only if your enjoyment was worth nothing. |
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11-28-2021, 09:02 PM | #45 | |
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11-29-2021, 02:36 AM | #46 | |
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For all practical purposes, to the average computer user, linux only exists in server rooms and windowless system administrator offices. We wind up chipping away at the corporate monolith, with practical examples, and friendly advice, for those who just want to make it to quitting time, and who are more willing to endure the status quo, than to try something new. Attempts to make the linux experience more like apple and microsoft, can easily devolve into making a third bloated, waddling system, that few people need, and fewer want. In their eyes, if win/mac ain't broke, why fix them? We have a computing island paradise, but those on the outside, entrenched and indoctrinated as they may be, simply don't have time to, or are too afraid to, splash in the surf and go barefoot! 'What island? We don't need no stinkin' island...we be the masses!' |
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In my opinion after all of this—learning these things, I believe we as users are on the right path. We just need to respect how difficult it is for developers to package apps, and we need to appreciate what we have. I had always thought that it was just a matter of convincing developers to support linux, but it’s more than that— it is a lot of work for developers to create native apps that work across all distro‘s. The developers are doing their best to produce Native apps with the least amount of conflicts as possible. Things are getting better all the time year by year. But progress may be slower than I would hoped it would be, because I was not aware of all these issues that the developers have to go through. So realistically, we should use everything in our arsenal now, rather than just native apps. That includes WINE. I am confident that slowly but surely things will continue to improve and more and more native apps will be available. The developers are aware of the situation and on top of it. 🙂
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11-29-2021, 07:04 AM | #49 | |
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I just use them all for the same tasks as they performed when they were running Windows. IOW, I only think about the tasks I'm performing on whatever OS I'm using. If Linux as a desktop was as difficult to use as some folks make it out to be, I certainly wouldn't be using it. I switched the entire OS out on my DAW from Xubuntu to Manjaro, halfway through a REAPER project, and experienced zero problems. |
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11-29-2021, 07:10 AM | #50 | |
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100% of my audio plugins are native Linux. 50% of my midi instruments plugins are bridged Windows VSTi's. I don't even think about it, and just make music. |
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11-29-2021, 08:21 AM | #51 | |
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My primary goal, which was to free myself from Microsoft tentacles has been a success since day one of me switching to Linux. First as a dual boot experiment, with the intention of running Win7 offline to work in REAPER, and running Linux for everything else. One week after setting up dual Win7/Xubuntu booting on my DAW, the first experimental native Linux version of REAPER dropped, which was REAPER v5.93 - July 17, 2018. I started using it right away and never booted to Win7 again, so I eventually nuked the Win7 partition and gave the space to Linux. |
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11-29-2021, 08:55 AM | #53 | |
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Now that I better understand the difficulties with making commercial (closed source) apps that work across multiple distros, and and now that I better understand why they choose Ubuntu (an older, non-bleeding edge distro that libraries for bleeding edge distros like Arch should be compatible with), I'm satisfied with the state of Linux for pro audio. I understand why developers are doing what they are doing. They just need to provide a way to demo test the apps they are selling for Ubuntu, so that we can test and confirm they work on our Arch systems. I think when they provide commercial apps, it would be most helpful for developer's sales to state that: "While the software was compiled on Ubuntu 18.04, care has been taken so that the software should be compatible for most distros. However, please download and test the app to confirm it works before purchasing, because all sales are final." I think the above would get more sales than what we currently see: "This app is for Ubuntu 18.04 and higher." |
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11-29-2021, 09:14 AM | #54 | |
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https://www.crumar.it/?a=showproduct&b=41 Windows and Mac users gotta cough up $100+ to get a legit copy, but Linux users get it for FREE! |
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I just found a really cool tool to help with converting .Deb files into Arch package files. This way, the pacman package manager can help with managing the dependencies and help prevent dependency hell:
https://ostechnix.com/convert-deb-pa...inux-packages/ I imagine that ldd will be a useful tool as well in making sure you have the proper dependencies you may lack. Very, very cool! Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-29-2021 at 09:28 AM. |
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11-29-2021, 09:40 AM | #57 | |
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Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=187558 |
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11-29-2021, 10:00 AM | #58 |
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Here is an ldd tutorial for those who don't know how to use it:
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11-29-2021, 11:57 AM | #60 | |
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In reality, LinuxSampler could easily replace Kontakt, but the libraries are what is missing. I used to use GigaStudio, so I have some instruments in .gig format that I can load up in LinuxSampler, but Kontakt has a bigger selection so I use it. If only I could just convert the Kontakt Factory Library to .gig format files, then I could use LinuxSampler as my goto sample player instrument. |
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11-29-2021, 12:35 PM | #61 | |
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Edit: I just checked. The All Samples pack is STILL for sale for only $39, if you're interested. :-) |
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11-29-2021, 01:18 PM | #62 | |
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I've used LinuxSampler in a number of projects, and between .gig, .sfz, and .sf2 files I have 339 decent quality sampled instruments to pick from. |
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11-29-2021, 03:01 PM | #63 |
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So, based on all of this information, my recommendations for a distro for a new user using Linux for Pro Audio would remain nearly the same:
Ubuntu Studio with the KXStudio repo, WINE + yabridge, or an AUR compatible distro, along with Debtap, WINE + yabridge. For newbies, I'd recommend Ubuntu Studio or Manjaro. For me, I like Arch. Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-29-2021 at 03:06 PM. |
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One of the reasons I like Disco DSP's Bliss Sampler, is that I can easily create SFZ files from just about anything that can then be used with LinuxSampler. I absolutely love that Bliss Sampler has the ability to export to SFZ format! I can sample VST instruments as well. It's a pretty cool tool! |
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11-29-2021, 06:57 PM | #65 | |
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The significant management/ownership changes at NI suggests things behind closed doors are getting interesting. Maybe even an android hardware interface, NKS midi keyboard, and bundled Kontakt version will emerge...that would be some largely untouched market territory, and international in scale. Things are already very crowded near the top. Cheers (historical note: Wusikstation was an early synth/rompler hybrid, and all of the soundsets, presets, waveforms, effects and sundries were installed in a single location, VstPlugins/Wusikstation/Data. The NI installation flowchart, when put on a poster, could keep a buffalo warm) |
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I'd be able to load the sounds in LinuxSampler and they wouldn't have to spend any time or resources coding new stuff. |
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Kontak's library consists of proprietary .nki format files though.
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11-29-2021, 11:13 PM | #70 |
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And the people in the win-mac realm who are pirates, would love to access unlocked wave files from the various sound library providers. The pirates criminal greed and laziness drive up prices for honest hard working customers, and great products are saddled with complex protections, just to keep their businesses alive. On the bright side, Pianobook library is growing, and I usually find a few new soundsets every month.
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11-30-2021, 04:32 AM | #71 | |
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Like I said, you already own the VST, so as long as you remain a licensed owner and as long as the SFZs you make are for personal use only, I don’t think you’ll have problems. Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-30-2021 at 04:42 AM. |
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11-30-2021, 07:50 AM | #72 | |
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I had another tool though that could really read directly from the samples and write out other formats. In reality, I would only be interested in trying to convert my Kontakt library if I could point a conversion tool at the folder where all the .nki files live, and have it create automatically, the whole library and structure, so that instruments are grouped the same, but in another format. |
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11-30-2021, 10:15 AM | #73 | |
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There is currently nothing that is capable of translating current .NKI files. I've got Chickensys' Translator, which is pretty much the best there is, and it can't do it. The only way to get the samples to SFZ would be the way I mentioned above, but you are right, the resulting SFZ file would be a looped, multi-velocity, multi-sampled SFZ instrumet, but wouldn't likely contain anything special that Native Instruments might add. I keep meaning to multisample my Roland JV-1010 to SFZ format for personal use, but I haven't gotten around it. There are no special scripts to that, so I'm sure it would work pretty well. Those Native Instrument scripts that allow you to strum and such.......that would be lost in Bliss. The closed format is one of the main reasons I hate .NKI files and Kontakt. I'm jealous of all of the available libraries, but I hate the closed nature of the tool. Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-30-2021 at 10:21 AM. |
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The grabbed versions are okay, but do not have the sparkle that made them sound so great being played on the Roland hardware. I still have those samples but never use them. When I need a horn section in a project, I have a REAPER template that puts Kontakt on a track, followed by four midi tracks for Bari-Sax, Sax-Section, Trombone, and Trumpet. Quote:
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11-30-2021, 12:29 PM | #75 | |
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For Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio users: * Ubuntu Repositories * XKStudio Repositories * Other trusted PPA Repositories * Developer hosted DEB files * Flatpak or WINE + yabridge * Source code For Arch family (AUR compatible distros): * Main distro repository * Arch User Repository * Developer hosted Arch packages * Flatpak, or WINE + yabridge, or Developer hosted DEB files converted with Debtap & installed with pacman * source code For AV Linux users: I don't know enough about AV Linux's capabilities to have an opinion on it yet, but AV Linux is also a viable option for users. Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-30-2021 at 04:15 PM. Reason: Edits are for clarity and completeness |
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11-30-2021, 03:59 PM | #76 |
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Here is a useful article for those who don't know how to use ldd:
https://www.xmodulo.com/check-librar...ess-linux.html In a case where something isn't working correctly, this command can be run to see what the dependencies are for the program you are trying to execute. Then you can compare and see if your system is missing any of these dependencies. |
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Along with needing to know what dependencies the executable needs through ldd, it is important to find what libraries your system actually has. This way, you can determine what you are missing, and then install the missing libraries.
https://serverfault.com/questions/54...y-is-installed To do this in a distro-independent* fashion you can use ldconfig with grep, like this: ldconfig -p | grep libjpeg If libjpeg is not installed, there will be no output. If it is installed, you will get a line for each version available. Replace libjpeg by any library you want, and you have a generic, distro-independent* way of checking for library availability. If for some reason the path to ldconfig is not set, you can try to invoke it using its full path, usually /sbin/ldconfig. **99% of the times* Last edited by audiojunkie; 11-30-2021 at 04:16 PM. |
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Here is the Man page for ldconfig:
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/ldconfig.8.html This is a useful tool to go along with ldd to correct missing dependencies when they arise. |
12-01-2021, 01:20 PM | #79 |
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I have the two most recent versions installed, they come with working
wine-staging 6.2, wineasio, and linvst. Reaper and other daw demos, and plugin demos are in /opt A nice range of linux native instruments and effects are at hand, and qjackctl scripts are set up for immediate effective use, so you can hear youtube in firefox, play spotify/netflix etc for jamtracks etc. A very complete linux audio experience out-of-the-box. I've added yabridge, and it works well. Cheers |
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