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v5.95pre19 - September 4 2018
  • + Notation: clicking in staff view sets active context
  • + Notation: fix move edit cursor to mouse cursor action [t=210544]
  • + Notation: move edit cursor to mouse cursor also activates context under mouse cursor
  • # duplicate selected area of items: do not duplicate selected pooled envelopes outside of time selection
    # unselect automation items on copy-drag within timesel
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Old 09-04-2018, 09:36 AM   #2
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  • + Notation: clicking in staff view sets active context
  • + Notation: fix move edit cursor to mouse cursor action [t=210544]
  • + Notation: move edit cursor to mouse cursor also activates context under mouse cursor
Inconmensurable thanks, Justin!!!!!!!!!! This is really an enormous improvement in terms of notation workflow for all of us who enter notes with a MIDI controller.


Again : thanks, thanks, and besides, thanks!


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Is there still hope for the other AI issues?
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Is there still hope for the other AI issues?
There are small behaviors that can be changed for this cycle. Tweaks/bug fixes.

Big changes such as having AIs move when envelope-attach is disabled will not happen this cycle.
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  • + Notation: clicking in staff view sets active context
  • + Notation: fix move edit cursor to mouse cursor action [t=210544]
  • + Notation: move edit cursor to mouse cursor also activates context under mouse cursor
Looks good so far!

Bug - when selected notes are above the active context, vertical offset for paste is taken from active context from time of copying. Pic:


What should have happened here is that the top note would be in the track 4 and the bottom note in the track 5.
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Looks good so far!

Bug - when selected notes are above the active context, vertical offset for paste is taken from active context from time of copying. Pic:


What should have happened here is that the top note would be in the track 4 and the bottom note in the track 5.
Hmm I see your point, but it’s a tricky issue. When it copies it copies relative to the active context, and when pasting it also pastes relative to the (possibly new) active context. So if you copy/paste from the same context it needs to have everything go to its original context, etc. If you change the active context by 1, then the contents change by one, etc.

Having thought about it more, maybe this relative mode is overkill, and for multi-track paste it should use absolute track indices (allowing pasting a single tracks contents into a different track)
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This notation editor is more like an arrange than a midi editor. What I would expect is notes to behave like media items. I make selection, click the track where I want them, paste, and the top selected note goes to that clicked track (active context) and lower notes relatively to lower tracks.
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This notation editor is more like an arrange than a midi editor. What I would expect is notes to behave like media items. I make selection, click the track where I want them, paste, and the top selected note goes to that clicked track (active context) and lower notes relatively to lower tracks.

Coming from Sibelius, I also find what bFooz suggests more intuitive, I have to admit...
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This notation editor is more like an arrange than a midi editor. What I would expect is notes to behave like media items. I make selection, click the track where I want them, paste, and the top selected note goes to that clicked track (active context) and lower notes relatively to lower tracks.
But in this scenario if you copy and paste without clicking they would end up in tracks different than what you expect, or at least what i would expect...
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But in this scenario if you copy and paste without clicking they would end up in tracks different than what you expect, or at least what i would expect...
Yeah, I was thinking about this. The arrange does it like this - always pastes into selected track which is not always a source track.

There is also a possibility to wait for a click after copying, otherwise paste into same tracks.

It's a dilemma but I would choose to always paste into active context. It is pretty well visible on the side of the window, more predictable and keeping the same concept as the arrange.

If this would not be ok, there is a posibility to set active context to the top selected note's track on note selection change.
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BUT "Duplicate events" family of actions should duplicate to the same track.

And an action "Set highest track of selected notes as target for inserting events" would come handy.
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There are small behaviors that can be changed for this cycle. Tweaks/bug fixes.

Big changes such as having AIs move when envelope-attach is disabled will not happen this cycle.
Alright! Looking forward to it


Has this already been adressed? The dots are created whe moving AIs around.

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Has this already been adressed?
Uncheck Pref>editing Behaviour>Envelope>Media items

But there is this bug (automatically add edge point when editing media items unchecked):

When I create a new AI : one new point appears on the envelope track at the left of the AI (no more point at his right side). It happens only with thoses options :

A) Options: Automation items connect to the underlying envelope on the right side
B) Options: Automation items do not connect to the underlying envelope


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  • + Notation: fix move edit cursor to mouse cursor action [t=210544]
  • + Notation: move edit cursor to mouse cursor also activates context under mouse cursorses[/url]
Excellent!

I have to agree with bFooz and Soli on the paste behavior.
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But there is this bug (automatically add edge point when editing media items unchecked):

When I create a new AI : one new point appears on the envelope track at the left of the AI (no more point at his right side). It happens only with thoses options :

A) Options: Automation items connect to the underlying envelope on the right side
B) Options: Automation items do not connect to the underlying envelope
Confirmed, but the issue originated in v5.60 and has nothing to do with this pre-release, post it in the Bug Reports forum!
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JS Plugins like the Oscilloscope Meter or the Frequency Spectrum Analyzer Meter don't work anymore for me on Linux. The plugin window is just a black screen. After going back to v5.941 they are working again.

Edit: Nevermind, installed all the 5.95 pres to get the faulty pre and now it works also with the latest pre.

Edit2: Looks like the compton compositor was responsible for the troubles.

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There are small behaviors that can be changed for this cycle. Tweaks/bug fixes.
I will optimistically read this as implying that it will be implemented in the next release!


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[*]# duplicate selected area of items: do not duplicate selected pooled envelopes outside of time selection
# unselect automation items on copy-drag within timesel
There are still several inconsistencies:

Before copying or mousedragging MIs and AIs WITHIN time selection:
EDIT: In these examples, mouse movement starts within time selection; therefore in "time selection mode".



After Copy/Paste selected area of items:
EDIT: The original MIs are all DEselected, whereas the original AIs all remain selected.



After Ctrl+drag Copy item NOT ignoring time selection:
EDIT: MI to left of time selection is deselected, but the AI is not.



After Duplicate selected area of items:
EDIT: Same as above:



After mousedrag Move item NOT ignoring time selection:
EDIT: Also same as previous.



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Before copying or dragging OUTSIDE time selection:
EDIT: In these example, mouse movement start outside the time selection; therefore not in "time selection mode".

Before:



After Ctrl-drag Copy item from outside time selection:
EDIT: "Volume" AI fragments change from unselected to selected. (I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.)



After mousedrag Move item from outside time selection:
EDIT: ONE of the "Volume" AI fragments become selected, the other one not.



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There are small behaviors that can be changed for this cycle. Tweaks/bug fixes.
A bug that seems to be related to moving MIs and AIs together is the one that was also raised by mccrabney in previous threads:

If the AI source extends beyond the visible edges, and if moved with MI when "Envelope points move with MIs" is active, points drift:


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I will optimistically read this as implying that it will be implemented in the next release!




There are still several inconsistencies:
I believe (since you don't have any explanation other than the screenshots) that the inconsistencies are features. Note that if the MI dragged (if move/copy, or if any selected MI for the copy action) does not intersect the time selection, then it treats behaves as if not in time-selection mode.

- If in time-selection mode, moving/copying an AI with the MI will use the time-selection-contained area of the MI.
- If in non-time-selection mode, moving/copying an AI with the MI will use the intersection of the AI and the MI, unless the AI is selected, in which case the whole AI is moved/copied.

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A bug that seems to be related to moving MIs and AIs together is the one that was also raised by mccrabney in previous threads:

If the AI source extends beyond the visible edges, and if moved with MI when "Envelope points move with MIs" is active, points drift:

Thanks, I'll look at this one!
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Uncheck Pref>editing Behaviour>Envelope>Media items
D'oh didn't know there was a pref for it. However, when disabling it, this happens:

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I believe (since you don't have any explanation other than the screenshots) that the inconsistencies are features. Note that if the MI dragged (if move/copy, or if any selected MI for the copy action) does not intersect the time selection, then it treats behaves as if not in time-selection mode.
Sorry, I thought the images would be worth a thousand words. I've added explanations above each image in the original post.
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