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Old 12-05-2006, 04:59 AM   #1
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Default Shortcuts not useable when no window focus?

Hi Justin,
I'm having a major problem with the way shortcuts work in Reaper.
Those shortcuts calling the mixer, Undo History, Performance Window, Editors etc should be available from ANY window that has focus. As it is now, when I'm in the Routing Matrix i.e., I would first have to grab the mouse, click in the main (arrangement) window and only then could I use the shortcuts again to call the mixer i.e.
This defies the need for them though, as it would have been quicker then to simply select the mixer tab when grabbing my mouse. No?

While we're at it, could you maybe implement a way to cycle through the tabs in the docker? This would be a really handy feature. As many others (I guess), I tend to dock all optional windows (Mixer, Undo History, Navigator, Routing Matrix etc.), undock it from the main window and enlarge it to be displayed on my secondary monitor. Without being able to cycle through the tabs, we still need to use the mouse way more than would/should be necessary.

Also, there's still another problem with shortcuts, as I already pointed out in September in THIS THREAD.

Could you maybe have a look at these things Justin? They start to become very annoying.

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Old 12-05-2006, 05:39 AM   #2
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I agree with everything Raphael wrote!
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+1 for active shortcuts on unfocused windows (transport,...)
+1 for "cycle through the tabs" shortcuts (really cool idea!)
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:13 AM   #3
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I agree with everything Raphael wrote!
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+1 for active shortcuts on unfocused windows (transport,...)
+1 for "cycle through the tabs" shortcuts (really cool idea!)
+1 Agreed!
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:55 AM   #4
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Old 12-05-2006, 08:50 AM   #5
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Thanks Dandruff for pointing me to this thread.

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since 1.36 there seems to be another (but minor) display-issue on startup:

i have the docker undocked on my second screen. when i start reaper, i see the docker docked (in the main-window) for a short moment until reaper is loaded completely.
Happens here too.

A part from the excessive CPU use on older machines (so it seems at least, my PC included), the whole shortcut-, view- and other options still have some way to go.
While 1.46/.47 brought some ease for the CPU, I can still not use Reaper for serious projects here. Maybe if you're exclusively doing Audio work (Editing, tracking, mastering?) it will be possible on 'non 64-Bit' machines, but using some VSTi's and FX I simply can't. And I think I've been through most (if not all) of the possible tweaks and configuration options. And since I don't have the funds for replacing my old PC parts ATM, I can't use Reaper except for dabbling with new features/options etc. Just to see where development is heading in fact.

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Old 12-05-2006, 01:31 PM   #6
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Another related example is that when using a single screen PC with the docker floating, you have to click on the main window before you can use alt/d to hide the docker, which is a pity as you're likely to have the docker focussed having just used it.
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Old 12-16-2006, 12:21 PM   #7
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justin? hard to fix these issues?
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:16 PM   #8
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addressing some of this for 1.51 =)
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thanks, great to hear this!
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Old 12-16-2006, 03:27 PM   #10
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Sweet! This is one thing I always forget to mention. It's not a showstopper by any stretch, but sometimes it's a little annoying.

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addressing some of this for 1.51 =)
Justin,
1.51 brought good improvements on shortcuts, that are now working regardless focused window, but it seems like only for defaults.

Example:
CTRL+RIGHT(or LEFT)- forward (backward) a little bit and
SPACE - PLAY/STOP works OK now,
but I assigned them to F6,F7 and F8 and my shortcuts won't work at focused FX CHAIN, but works well when focused at PERFORMANCE METER.

Another thing: "Colored clips". It's cruical for my workflow! Please, please, please...
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:16 AM   #12
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This is a pretty major upgrade on the workflow front - now I can spacebar play from the effects window then alt-d to get rid of the docker, it's like a whole new program - these points of detail can actually make all the difference. It's also to do with fulfilling intuitive expectations for new users. Good stuff - thanks!
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:42 AM   #13
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Justin,
1.51 brought good improvements on shortcuts, that are now working regardless focused window, but it seems like only for defaults.

Example:
CTRL+RIGHT(or LEFT)- forward (backward) a little bit and
SPACE - PLAY/STOP works OK now,
but I assigned them to F6,F7 and F8 and my shortcuts won't work at focused FX CHAIN, but works well when focused at PERFORMANCE METER.
yeah, there still things left.

i've assigned F2 to "show docker". it works doesn't work for most tabs when the undocked docker has focus. seems http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost...24&postcount=4 has changed a bit:

fx browser -> F2 => nothing happens
media explorer -> F2 => nothing happens
undo history -> F2 => nothing happens
performance -> F2 => works as it should (docker gets hidden)
navigator -> F2 => works as it should (docker gets hidden)
routing matrix -> F2 => nothing happens



then i've assigned F12 for the performance meter.

fx browser -> F12 => nothing happens
media explorer -> F12 => nothing happens
undo history -> F12 => nothing happens
performance -> F12 => works as it should (performance window gets hidden)
navigator -> F12 => works as it should (performance window gets hidden or reopened)
routing matrix -> F12 => nothing happens






and please:

when clicking the close button in the unattached docker: please just hide the docker instead attaching it to the main-window! thanks!

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Old 12-17-2006, 01:01 PM   #14
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For the FX windows and most of the other windows, and I believe this is mentioned in the whatsnew.txt, only keyboard shortcuts that use ctrl or alt (or plain space) in them are passed on. I'll update this to include all forms of function keys as well-- but the idea is that things like letters, numbers etc with no modifiers are more likely to be needed to enter text for a plug-in etc, than for a shortcut (i.e. hitting S should __NOT__ split items from the fx window).

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but the idea is that things like letters, numbers etc with no modifiers are more likely to be needed to enter text for a plug-in etc, than for a shortcut (i.e. hitting S should __NOT__ split items from the fx window).
? don't really know, what you wanna say with that.
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you mean F2 will never work in the docked fx-browser to show/hide the docker because F2 is used to rename plugins in the fx-browser? makes sense. maybe i really should use another hotkey then ...
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:07 PM   #17
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For the FX windows and most of the other windows, and I believe this is mentioned in the whatsnew.txt, only keyboard shortcuts that use ctrl or alt (or plain space) in them are passed on. I'll update this to include all forms of function keys as well-- but the idea is that things like letters, numbers etc with no modifiers are more likely to be needed to enter text for a plug-in etc, than for a shortcut (i.e. hitting S should __NOT__ split items from the fx window).

-Justin
Ahhhhhhh - very clever!

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