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05-17-2017, 11:33 AM
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#201
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Sequoia offers some other tools, that are pretty insane (like 4 point editing which is great especially for classical / non-clicktrack- music). But that is not the topic of this thread...
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05-17-2017, 01:19 PM
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#202
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
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Bats do indeed sing and hear ultrasonic, so they in fact do need a high samplerate
-Michael
Last edited by mschnell; 07-01-2017 at 01:28 AM.
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05-21-2017, 02:19 PM
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#203
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Human being with feelings
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The ARA-support was one of the reasons I moved away from Reaper and got Studio One instead. Well, that plus the Arranger and Scratch Pad in Studio One. But here I am once more lurking to see if any of those or similar have been implemented yet in Reaper. Wouldn't mind going back. There are things I miss for sure.
So, big +1 from me for ARA-support.
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05-21-2017, 04:08 PM
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#204
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2015
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The last production was messy. Melodyne without ARA is a big waste of time. It hurts, cause REAPER is my favourite DAW. But my main field of work is acappella and melodyne is essential to me.
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05-23-2017, 12:35 AM
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#205
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Are you on PC or Mac? I really like the S1 workflow and features, but it is the worse CPU optimized DAW on Mac ever, i found it useless for serious work.
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Originally Posted by Iqbahl
The ARA-support was one of the reasons I moved away from Reaper and got Studio One instead. Well, that plus the Arranger and Scratch Pad in Studio One. But here I am once more lurking to see if any of those or similar have been implemented yet in Reaper. Wouldn't mind going back. There are things I miss for sure.
So, big +1 from me for ARA-support.
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07-01-2017, 12:32 AM
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#206
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2017
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+1 on Melodyne ARA integration.
The lack of a solid pitch correction workflow like VariAudio (or even better: Melodyne with ARA) is for me one of the biggest reasons I can't switch to Reaper as my main DAW.
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07-19-2017, 11:09 PM
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#207
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2015
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bump
still no ARA?
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07-20-2017, 03:04 AM
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#208
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my +1 for ARA integration
Melodyne is truly heck of an evolution in Audio, digital audio.
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07-21-2017, 03:54 AM
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#209
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Yes
+1 ara
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07-21-2017, 09:50 AM
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#210
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This would defo be nice for sure
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07-22-2017, 04:16 AM
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#211
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Happy it's not implemented,
so I don't have to shell out money for Melodyne
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07-22-2017, 08:45 AM
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#212
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Human being with feelings
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Had massive issues with crashes and incompatibility during my last production...
No idea how to handle that for the future. I really wanna use reaper as my main DAW but melodyne is a must.
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07-22-2017, 09:02 AM
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#213
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Curious: are you guys all working with amateurs that cant pitch, or is the p[itch correction stuff being used differently in your case?
FWIW I use Antares stuff when needed but mostly I make sure it is as close as possible before I have to start editing.
My first instinct was to tell y`all to work with clients that are at least compentent, but I also have enough experience of amateur and semi pro folks to know this is not realistic.
I have had to use pitch correction extensively onb a couple of projects and frankly it sucked all the pleasure out of it for me.
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07-22-2017, 10:55 AM
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#214
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[QUOTE]Curious: are you guys all working with amateurs that cant pitch, or is the p[itch correction stuff being used differently in your case?[QUOTE]
I don't know how others use it. But with melodyne you can change the polyphonic samples in ways you can't with other pitch solutions. For instance you can take an amaj rhythm guitar phrase and make it ami7 this instantly makes all my samples usable in multiple compositions.
also you can alter the performance as easily as if you were editing midi. all that as well as change formants lengthen or shorten note transitions vibrato etc. because even a pro can have a bad day. Melodyne is hands down more useful than most "Tuning" and pitch correction applications.
+1 for Melodyne ARA implementation
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07-22-2017, 12:56 PM
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#215
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Would still really love ARA. It's a massively creative piece of software to have that I would use a lot more if it was as "open" and easy as ARA makes it!
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08-15-2017, 11:40 AM
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#216
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Human being with feelings
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Location: Montreal, QC
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ARA + Melodyne would be awesome!
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08-17-2017, 05:03 AM
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#217
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Human being with feelings
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Location: Brasov Romania
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Devs please surprise us with ARA .
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08-17-2017, 07:12 AM
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#218
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Human being with feelings
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Location: Atlanta, GA
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+1
+1 for ARA implementation. I already have the Melodyne Studio 4.1 and both Studio One & SONAR which are already ARA compatible. Would be great to use Melodyne in the same seamless way in REAPER. I bet Celemony would allow Melodyne Essentials to be bundled with REAPER if ARA was implemented. Celemony would then make their money on the increased user base upgrading to the more robust versions. A win win for both Cockos and Celemony!
Cheers,
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08-18-2017, 02:03 AM
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#219
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Human being with feelings
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ARA integration. PLEASE!
As an Melodyne user, I really like to see ARA in Reaper. It would reduce the time I need to correct vocal track dramatically, because with ARA you don't have to transfer the audio track to Melodyne in the first step. It would save so much time! Before I switcht to Reaper some years ago, I used Sonar with ARA integration and it was so nice to work with ARA.
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08-18-2017, 03:22 AM
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#220
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I don't feel that ARA support will happen in near future.Devs told the reasons in several threads. But I know devs can give us a better "Reatune". I know Reatune can be a better tool than the melodyne. So users should ask for better "Reatune" instead of ARA support. Thats my opinion.
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08-18-2017, 04:09 AM
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#221
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There was a response from Schwa in this thread about the date.
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08-18-2017, 07:43 AM
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#222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Ridiculous, batshit insane and completely unnecessary.
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Amen!
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08-18-2017, 07:46 AM
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#223
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
There was a response from Schwa in this thread about the date.
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Yep... it's a pretty good answer.
Looking at this:
https://askjf.com/index.php?q=3731s
Why don't we bomb Celemony for that?
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08-18-2017, 01:15 PM
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#224
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I already asked them for officially supporting it. They responded the amount of users was too small so perhaps the best thing is, you ALL write them a mail, too!
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08-18-2017, 01:23 PM
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#225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
I already asked them for officially supporting it. They responded the amount of users was too small so perhaps the best thing is, you ALL write them a mail, too!
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Exactly!
Did you write to support?
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08-18-2017, 01:47 PM
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#226
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While I suppose I'll never use Melodyne myself, as the stuff I'm doing does not apply for that, I feel that ARA is the single most requested feature of all.
-MIchael
Last edited by mschnell; 08-19-2017 at 12:07 AM.
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08-18-2017, 01:48 PM
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#227
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+1 for ARA support for Reaper please!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
I already asked them for officially supporting it. They responded the amount of users was too small so perhaps the best thing is, you ALL write them a mail, too!
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I'm also down to petition Celemony. Can I have the contact info you used so that we're consistent?
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08-18-2017, 03:48 PM
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#228
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
I already asked them for officially supporting it. They responded the amount of users was too small so perhaps the best thing is, you ALL write them a mail, too!
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Thanks for the info.
Reaper sadly now is in my ignore list along with all the other ARA-less DAW's.
FL Studio also ended up there recently.
Samplitude is on my ignore list because of poor ARA implementation.
So now I have to decide between Studio One and Sonar Platinum.
Both excellent DAW's so I am not worried which will win.
So now I will no longer look at any other DAW's, in the hope that they may add ARA.
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08-18-2017, 04:03 PM
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#229
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+1 for this as well.
Amount of users too small? I find that hard to believe. Maybe not enough people speaking up about this. But I'm sure most people would love to see this feature implemented.
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08-19-2017, 08:25 AM
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#230
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08-19-2017, 02:13 PM
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#231
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And I quote from Celemony support:
"Dear Ivan,
Thank you for your email. We currently cannot expand the support for additional DAWs and we have the ARA technology for a better implementation of plugins (not just ours) into DAWs in general. This is not just something that is limited to one DAW like a Reaper API would be. ARA can be used by any DAW manufacturer willing to implement this, and the number is steadily growing."
So I guess we are still SOOL.
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08-22-2017, 12:02 PM
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#232
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Actually, I think there would be something better than melodyne....
Being able to treat monophonic samples as midi.
Imagine:
- Having the data of ReaTune's detection displayed similar to Cubase's Vari-Audio. Then being able to adjust the pitches as MIDI notes and seeing the transients of the audio all at the same time, in the same window. There could be another button/switch in the MIDI Editor's Track icons to the left.
- Relevance: I like to work holistically. I desire that everything I learn (Music theory, sampling, midi, etc.) come together in a collective and cohesive way, not fragmented.
I honestly believe that the future DAW features to be looking for is a combination of current features but expressed in a cohesive way.
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Dropping a sample to the arrangment at a certain position, scan the audio item to determine all necessary relative/useful information (pitches, stereo, volume changes, etc). Then being able to, in this case, edit that item as a hybrid wav and midi item.
I'm going through periods of ecstasy and anxiety thinking about such an intuitive workflow, and the possibility that someone will do it.
As a completely ITB producer, the improvements of Sampling and MIDI (and their SYNERGY) is almost everything to me.
Melodyne is nice, but I don't need ARA, it's just better convenience to an already fragmented workflow.
ARA vs external editor = not much difference.
Reaper doesn't have ARA, so what. ARA is already a feature of the past.
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08-22-2017, 12:34 PM
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#233
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Human being with feelings
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Wow, very interesting thought, i am totally with you.
This would be really revolutionary ; for sure above ARA integration in Reaper.
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08-22-2017, 01:04 PM
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#234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozman
ARA vs external editor = not much difference.
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seriously?
you have to bounce a final cutted version to tune it externally
=> if the client wants to have another take of a verse or chorus, you have to bounce it again, eventually tune it again, bring it back in and together ...
massive waste of time
besides you just hear the separated vocals, no context. It's dead important to tune the material in context. A note has to be intonated differently depending on whether it's the third of a chord or the root...
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08-23-2017, 06:27 AM
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#235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
seriously?
you have to bounce a final cutted version to tune it externally
=> if the client wants to have another take of a verse or chorus, you have to bounce it again, eventually tune it again, bring it back in and together ...
massive waste of time
besides you just hear the separated vocals, no context. It's dead important to tune the material in context. A note has to be intonated differently depending on whether it's the third of a chord or the root...
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There's current workflows for both using melodyne as an external editor (audio output to Reaper's ASIO channels) and as a vst. They work. But spending the time on ARA is like trying to catch up to features that are atleast 2 years old. And really they are still not, IMHO, the pinnacle to be targeting when it comes to pitch editing/correction of audio files.
Look across the board. Melodyne is, yes, the best when it comes to polyphonic detection and correction, but outside of that, most other programs target monophonic materials when it comes to that area (due to less complication, I guess). And with that, we've seen different approaches to how this can be done.
ARA is pretty much a more automated "Transfer" of audio to the VST, it seems to me. Which, yes, saves some steps, (while I prefer to send the audio to the external standalone with one click). -- Custom Actions
Again ARA = Convenience. No true advances.
Sometimes the greatest inventions involve current technology but just put into a newer, combined package. That's what I'm proposing.
It's time for a paradigm shift when it comes to Audio and Midi, Samples and Pitch.
It's time for a real marriage of the two.
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08-23-2017, 06:53 AM
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#236
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozman
Actually, I think there would be something better than melodyne....
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So, you suggest the devs develop this monster of a ReaTune?
There are other factors on the horizon as well like auto-mixing (as Izotope Nautron).
But, I like your way of thinking
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08-23-2017, 07:00 AM
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#237
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Human being with feelings
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Hasn't ARA been updated/upgraded a few times so the newer ARA is better than the original. Perhaps ARA will continue to add functionality?
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08-23-2017, 07:13 AM
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#238
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X. O. Apodo
Hasn't ARA been updated/upgraded a few times so the newer ARA is better than the original. Perhaps ARA will continue to add functionality?
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Literally nothing has changed in the ARA API since 2012 when they first released the SDK. (Celemony did release a new ARA SDK last year, though.) Of course, don't forget the Melodyne plugin and the ARA API are different things.
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08-23-2017, 07:22 AM
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#239
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Honestly, Reaper is like a goldmine of possibilities, b/c of the way the devs approach feature development. Many of the features we have are bare-bones and get improved with testing, bug fixes, and updates. While this has Reaper in a place that other DAWs aren't, much like Blender, in the 3D field, it also has Reaper containing features that have much potential which can go either unnoticed or untapped for years. ReaTune, ReaSamplomatic5000, and our MIDI Editor are such features. They are so capable of great things, due to their not being cluttered with pre-existing, out-dated philosophy.
It would at this point seem like a cop-out to go running after ARA support instead of improving (i.e. better integrating) what we already have.
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08-23-2017, 07:30 AM
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#240
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenakios
Literally nothing has changed in the ARA API since 2012 when they first released the SDK. (Celemony did release a new ARA SDK last year, though.) Of course, don't forget the Melodyne plugin and the ARA API are different things.
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Thanks for you input.
I stand corrected.
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