Old 09-30-2020, 01:12 AM   #201
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Playlist PT style and track editing groups needed here too!

maybe a nice "freeze till silence" option wouldn't be bad too
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:50 AM   #202
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I have to say, after really getting to grips with reaper and all it has to offer - i am finding it ALMOST perfecxt for my needs. It can be set up to do almost anything.
However, lack of playlists has been a real problem for me when it comes to audio editing.
My editing workflows in Studio One and Pro tools are much more efficient.
I love the takes setup in reaper, i would just really love to be able to comp to a new playlist.

Also when rendering midi to audio on a new take, it would be much better to render to a new playlist, where i can edit the audio freely without slicing up the midi file.

I did try a third party script, but it was unreliable and didn't work all the time. It seems like something that is so important to the way a lot of people work, i almost can't understand why there isn't a native implementation of this.

just my 2 cents.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:52 PM   #203
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Another vote here.
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:05 PM   #204
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Here as well!
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:20 PM   #205
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:08 AM   #206
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Old 10-28-2020, 05:58 AM   #207
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Never ending story
After the Razor edit is on spot we should dedicate time for this playlist topic
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Old 10-28-2020, 06:55 AM   #208
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Yes... This missing feature hurts in my every day routine. It is by far my #1 pain with Reaper
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Old 10-28-2020, 10:20 PM   #209
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Really hope this is added soon.
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Old 10-29-2020, 01:13 AM   #210
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Sure what the heck! 1+
But please make it BETTER than what already is out there!
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Old 10-29-2020, 01:20 PM   #211
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+1 to have playlists for tracks as in Pro Tools (And now Logic as well!)
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Old 10-30-2020, 10:20 AM   #212
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Yeah! Excited to see people still requesting this

The attempts to script this functionality have been admirable but just haven't been stable enough to use in commercial work.
Having the functionality included in REAPER itself would be amazing.
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:04 PM   #213
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Playlists wouldn't work without track edit groups though, correct? I can't see how it would personally (for large sessions), but maybe it's just because I really would love to see both.
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Old 10-30-2020, 07:30 PM   #214
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Yeah it'd have to be a little different I guess.
I guess that is really something to consider, there is a fair number of us who are interested in this feature it would seem so...
What do people think would be the best way to approach integrating a playlist/track version style workflow into Reaper?

One possible idea:
There could be an option for playlists to be linked or grouped in the "track grouping" menu alongside solo/volume/mute/volume etc. grouping. And then item grouping could only be active for items in the active playlists.
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Old 11-01-2020, 04:42 PM   #215
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Playlists wouldn't work without track edit groups though, correct? I can't see how it would personally (for large sessions), but maybe it's just because I really would love to see both.
Yes, here's to hoping we'll get both of those things in one go. Fingers crossed! I guess, you could implement it in a way that just uses the current item grouping system, but right now I'd rather go to bed dreaming of playlists and track group based editing in reaper..
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Old 11-07-2020, 05:47 AM   #216
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multitrackrecording, no click. Used take markers to write some barnumbers here and there. Made some mistakes. Once again: Being able to move all vertically aligning take markers at the same time. This could be quite easy if we got track edit groups...
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Old 11-07-2020, 06:05 AM   #217
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Old 11-10-2020, 11:06 PM   #218
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Track edit groups and PT-style playlists PLEEEASE! You guys would've been impressed with the mess I got myself into today. I decided to play a few extra takes of drums over a part that I had already comp'd and strip silenced (but didnt render or glue). HOLY crap I made a mess! It took my about 5 minutes to do 6 takes of a very easy 30 second bridge. Which then took me about 4 hours(at least) just to get the tracks to group correctly, and then about 3 minutes to comp.

Track edit groups and Playlists wouldve saved me that 4 hours. At least I learned my lesson to not try to track over comp takes unless they've been rendered. I originally didnt render them because I didnt know how my new takes would line up with the old comp'd tracks so I couldnt really guess where my punch in and punch out points would be.
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Old 11-11-2020, 02:22 AM   #219
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At least I learned my lesson to not try to track over comp takes unless they've been rendered.
Yes, one of the biggest downsides of the take system. Rendering is problematic, too, as you lose information about which takes you chose. If you work for clients that quite a big problem. You record them, do the comping during the record session for them to listen and they decide to play another take to end up with "ah, let's take take 1 in that part". No problem if you've got playlists...
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A similar feature has been anounced for Ableton 11 yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDHuDdDANc
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Old 11-11-2020, 03:09 AM   #221
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Yes, one of the biggest downsides of the take system. Rendering is problematic, too, as you lose information about which takes you chose. If you work for clients that quite a big problem. You record them, do the comping during the record session for them to listen and they decide to play another take to end up with "ah, let's take take 1 in that part". No problem if you've got playlists...
This is really on point.
Playlists are a history / evolution of a work process. Crucial when when going back in time to locate the versions of takes / performances.
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Old 11-11-2020, 05:12 AM   #222
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Actually, ... I'm becoming frustrated with trying to inspire people to really dig into to the existing system ...

I've invested a lot of personal time in these threads as a part of my quest to help others, I'm kind of tired of trying at this point to be honest.
group editing in folders
useing items instead of takes


*or how about NOT TRYING TO COMP EVERY NOTE
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Old 11-11-2020, 11:58 AM   #223
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group editing in folders
useing items instead of takes
seems like you did not understand anything. Just a question: When did you do your last big multitrack (lets say >20 inputs simultanously) recording where you wanted to combine drums from take 1 with bass from take 2 and all guitars from take 3 while clients are sitting and waiting for you to let them hear the result.

I guess: you did never do something like that. Otherwise you'd know what we're talking about. At the least if you need overlapping edit groups (guitar 1, guitar 2, guitar 3 and "all guitars"), item based grouping systems totally fail.
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seems like you did not understand anything. Just a question: When did you do your last big multitrack (lets say >20 inputs simultanously) recording where you wanted to combine drums from take 1 with bass from take 2 and all guitars from take 3 while clients are sitting and waiting for you to let them hear the result.
For the OP possibly correct, for myself, I've certainly done exactly that (28 inputs 17 tracks for drums if I include close and far room mics), but we established in the past that you and I work differently to achieve the same goal. I'm mentioning not as a debate, but simply because I really have done it so others don't' think it is impossible - horses/courses obviously.

That said, don't mind if you guys keep working on getting playlists track versions you were already used to and there is some value with them.
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Old 11-11-2020, 03:16 PM   #225
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seems like you did not understand anything. if you need overlapping edit groups (guitar 1, guitar 2, guitar 3 and "all guitars"), item based grouping systems totally fail.
Im not saying item grouping works Im saying i can record a whole take w/o fing up

I have had better results
1)grouping instruments in folders
(can edit whole group (drums)from folder view)

use slots or mix snapshots to recall differnt comps
or use comps

you can even set it up so you keep moving your best parts to the top
(ie lane)

litteraly

folder 1 solo track 1
folder 2 solo track 3
sel (all guitar) tracks - solo

am i missing something?
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am i missing something?
Respectfully, probably since you probably haven't read all threads on this.
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Old 11-11-2020, 06:31 PM   #227
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no one has a clue what you can set up with reaper
what can you do with reaper to improve workflows

otherwise whats the point
we already had 10 years of chopping up audio
10 yrs of..make it like pro tools



ill just ask you if the point of a recording is to capture a performance
and well leave it at that
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I've noticed a pattern in these threads.

Most (not all) people who advocate for a playlist system in REAPER are trying to use the DAW to record professionally, i.e., with clients waiting.

Most (not all) people who try to dissuade the addition of playlists are not.

Many, many people who work in recording studios (what's left of them, anyway) have stated that they would love to use REAPER there, but they simply can't due to some reason or another (take system, playlists, mix/edit groups being the common ones).

What I can't understand is: Why are so many people against the addition of new features to REAPER? This isn't a zero-sum game. Improving the workflow of someone else through an addition that does not remove any existing functionality does not harm you in any way.

We all use REAPER in different ways. Just because something works for you, doesn't mean that it works in all situations and use cases. Campaigning for the addition of useful features that are found in other DAWs isn't about "making REAPER like Pro Tools or Logic or Studio One" -- it's about making REAPER better.
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ill just ask you if the point of a recording is to capture a performance
and well leave it at that
No that isn't the point, usually all or most of it has just been recorded. It's mostly the editing and assembling takes after the fact. There are some points about takes I completely disagree with Gass n Klang about, because I record audio pretty much as he does... but to be fair there are a couple of scenarios where some type of "track versions" would be helpful to him.

You might consider burning an hour watching tutorials on PlayLists, and if you do know reaper's takes at a deep enough level, you'll spot what he's asking for. Revamping takes to chase PT features is never going to happen but it's marginally possible they'll expand into something that allows functionality similar to track versions (which is kind of what PTPLs are). That part is a legitimate ask.
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Playlist PT style and track editing groups needed here too!

maybe a nice "freeze till silence" option wouldn't be bad too
Another vote for this, and a 'quickpunch' equivalent.
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I've noticed a pattern in these threads.

Most (not all) people who advocate for a playlist system in REAPER are trying to use the DAW to record professionally, i.e., with clients waiting.

Most (not all) people who try to dissuade the addition of playlists are not.

Many, many people who work in recording studios (what's left of them, anyway) have stated that they would love to use REAPER there, but they simply can't due to some reason or another (take system, playlists, mix/edit groups being the common ones).

What I can't understand is: Why are so many people against the addition of new features to REAPER? This isn't a zero-sum game. Improving the workflow of someone else through an addition that does not remove any existing functionality does not harm you in any way.

We all use REAPER in different ways. Just because something works for you, doesn't mean that it works in all situations and use cases. Campaigning for the addition of useful features that are found in other DAWs isn't about "making REAPER like Pro Tools or Logic or Studio One" -- it's about making REAPER better.
you said it all..
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Old 11-14-2020, 09:30 AM   #232
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just checking in.

I think there is nothing that speaks against Implementing Track Versions with integrated comping features that respect grouping.
Actually that would be marvellous!
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Old 11-14-2020, 02:01 PM   #233
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I think there is nothing that speaks against Implementing Track Versions ...
only that there are no different "track versions" at all.
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if any of you is a coder, SPK77 a couple years ago made a script that can store groups of tracks in order to show or hide them.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=203446

I think this script might be a perfect start for Track Edit Group functions

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that looks quite nice, but:
1) needs to be native so we can shortcut it
2) groups shouldn't be dependend on visibility. I often want to edit tracks to the already edited drums e.g.
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:57 AM   #236
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Im more of a mixer these days but yesterday i went to do a session on a studio. I have to say that i m into the lanes way of reaper but it is a disaster for quick workflow.
And please, dont come with workarounds..i know them all. Is not pratical PERIOD.

We need a better way of doing multiple takes and comping effectively without workarounds.

I believe that with the Razor edit finished we could take advantage of that for a more reliable comping and take system. selecting zones from the razor edit and being able to move them into a main take would be great, for example.
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I believe that with the Razor edit finished we could take advantage of that for a more reliable comping and take system. selecting zones from the razor edit and being able to move them into a main take would be great, for example.
This is what I'm really hoping comes out of it. Also razor edit the comp track, and cycle the selected area through the playlist takes. Like T/Shift+T on existing takes, except you don't have to cut it first
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I've noticed a pattern in these threads.

Most (not all) people who advocate for a playlist system in REAPER are trying to use the DAW to record professionally, i.e., with clients waiting.

Most (not all) people who try to dissuade the addition of playlists are not.

Many, many people who work in recording studios (what's left of them, anyway) have stated that they would love to use REAPER there, but they simply can't due to some reason or another (take system, playlists, mix/edit groups being the common ones).

What I can't understand is: Why are so many people against the addition of new features to REAPER? This isn't a zero-sum game. Improving the workflow of someone else through an addition that does not remove any existing functionality does not harm you in any way.

We all use REAPER in different ways. Just because something works for you, doesn't mean that it works in all situations and use cases. Campaigning for the addition of useful features that are found in other DAWs isn't about "making REAPER like Pro Tools or Logic or Studio One" -- it's about making REAPER better.
Exactly.
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No offence but as REAPER is my first DAW and I haven't experienced other DAWs, I don't get it as current take system just simply works for me.
Is it different from splitting a multi-take item and choose different takes for each divisions?

Many people want this feature to be included so I assume that it's a very nice idea, but if you can please enlighten me...
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