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07-11-2018, 09:58 AM
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copying AI between projects with differing tempos results in unexpected behavior
when you have a number of AI in one track and you copy the track to another project with a different project tempo, the AI get pasted incorrectly.
you'd expect the AI to appear on the same beats and contain the same curves in project B as they were created in project A.
here's something related: copying an item with AI and pasting it to a different project tempo results in the AIs being pasted outside the item bounds.
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07-12-2018, 03:43 PM
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I can't reproduce, in a simple way. Beats (position length rate) & Beats project timebases. Default track timebase. Volume envelope AI. 120bpm copy project tab to 177 paste project tab (also tried putting points in 177 tab then 120 tab. Is there something specific you can think of to try? This is 5.92?
Maybe off-topic/noob question: How did you get a Master track "Tempo map" AI in gif #2?
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07-13-2018, 05:51 AM
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thanks for reading. ha! yeah, the tempo map thing is wacky. i couldn't find any mention of it in the whatsnew so i assume it's either a bug or a unannounced featurelet. i got it by copying tempo envelope points from one project to the tempo envelope of another. 5.93pre1. you can't do anything with the tempo envelope, other than delete it -- can't stretch it, resize it, etc. it's a good looking feature though, gonna really help me moving forward.
anyway, back to the bug. i'm trying to create a simple repro steps but having a hard time. it has to do with the tempo changes, i'm sure of it.
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07-13-2018, 05:59 AM
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here it is: as usual, it's due to the gradual tempo changes.
those things must be an absolute horror to program for.
5.93rc1
AI and item should be created not at 1.01.00, but later in the prj
1- create prj, track, static tempo envelope, item, corresponding ai.
2- cut item and ai
3- insert a gradual tempo change
4- paste the ai
ISSUE: ai slips off the item. expected behavior: ai doesn't change shape or size, but fits the item no matter what the tempo.
5- NOTE: changing the tempo results in ai being either late or early
Last edited by mccrabney; 07-13-2018 at 06:57 AM.
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07-13-2018, 07:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mccrabney
here it is: as usual, it's due to the gradual tempo changes.
those things must be an absolute horror to program for.
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Yeah. I wonder if Reaper could have an actual Beats timebase for positions of items, envelopes, etc, and if that would be easier. I'm reasonably sure that everything (except MIDI inside individual items) has a seconds position, and Beats is just a flag to do extra processing/calculations.
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Originally Posted by mccrabney
5.93rc1
AI and item should be created not at 1.01.00, but later in the prj
1- create prj, track, static tempo envelope, item, corresponding ai.
2- cut item and ai
3- insert a gradual tempo change
4- paste the ai
ISSUE: ai slips off the item. expected behavior: ai doesn't change shape or size, but fits the item no matter what the tempo.
5- NOTE: changing the tempo results in ai being either late or early
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I can get that type of behavior on 5.92.
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08-28-2018, 08:30 AM
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this is still a significant problem
these 2 project tabs have different project tempos
this results in the AI being moved, because it appears to be respecting prj tempo, not item location.
Last edited by mccrabney; 08-28-2018 at 08:38 AM.
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08-28-2018, 09:18 AM
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Is the item timebase = time in the project into which you are pasting the MI and AI?
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08-28-2018, 10:34 AM
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nope, only beats (pos, length, rate), ever. gradual tempo changes abound.
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08-28-2018, 10:46 AM
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This is definitely a bug, but it seems to be limited to timebase=beats.
For a workaround, you can set timebase=time before pasting, and it should hopefully work correctly.
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08-28-2018, 10:51 AM
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thanks for the suggestion and confirmation!
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08-28-2018, 11:18 AM
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Thanks, fixing at least most of this!
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08-28-2018, 12:02 PM
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big thanks, i'll keep an eye out and confirm the fix.
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